The Myth of Gravity

Entropy is Aether physics anyway - you cannot have entropy without Boltzmann gas concept. And black hole model of Universe points to dense Aether model of vacuum anyway.

Le-Sage model of gravity is still much more easier to comprehend.

http://aetherwavetheory.blogspot.com/2009/06/awt-and-gravity.html

Funny point is, in AWT context gravity is just an negentropic force: it leads to condensation of matter, whereas entropy always describes its evaporation.

Regarding the claimed connection of black hole model to loop quantum gravity and relativity, there is another apparent controversy, because from general relativity follows, black holes are formed by singularity. Wereas the black hole model of Universe assumes instead, Universe is formed by interior of dense star.

The Verlinde result is pretty easy to understand. There is a result called the Birkhoff theorem, which states that for a spherically symmetric distribution of matter the gravity field exterior to the matter is equivalent to that of a black hole with the same mass. For a screen, such as where an image of a gravitational lensing occurs, the entropy involved with the distortion is determined by this "entropy force of gravity. The attachment illustrates a unique image of a gravitational lens. The entropy is just the amount of information on an event horizon via the holographic principle, or equivalently the degree of knowledge not needed about the matter distribution of a gravity field by Birkhoff theorem.

This means that gravity is equivalent to the information contained in a field theory, or a conformal field theory, on the stretched horizon of one dimension lower than spacetime. In a supergravity configuration this is equivalent to the GUT of quantum fields in five dimensions. So a full knowledge of supersymmetric gauge field theory is equivalent to everything we need to know about this force we call gravitation.

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Yes, this is how gravity works. GW do not exist. I publish an article about the subject this month:

Original Solution of Gravity is without Gravitational Waves

Amrit. S. Sorli

Scientific Research Centre Bistra

The IUP Journal of Physics, Vol. 3, No. 2, pp. 54-57, April 2010

Abstract:

Original solution of gravity motion is a curved four dimensional cosmic space. Massive objects move into direction of higher curvature of space. Quantum gravity introduces the idea that cosmic space is made out of grains of Planck size. If space has granular structure one can consider that it also has density. According to the first law of thermodynamics, energy can neither be created nor destroyed. In the universe as a whole, the amount of energy of matter and energy of quantum space is constant. Second law of thermodynamics shows that distribution of energy in a given system tends to become homogeneous. Because of the tendency of homogeneous distribution of energy, more mass is in a given volume of quantum space less space is dense. Less space is dense, more space is curved. Massive objects always move in the direction of lower density and higher curvature of quantum space. Gravitational motion of massive objects is the result of change of density of quantum space. Change of density of quantum space is a physical basis for change of its curvature.

Yours Amrit

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1593907

Gravity can't be an entropic force because entropic forces are

1) irreversible;

2) they break the interference due to the multiplicity of possible microstates for each point of the interference pattern - in Verlinde's case, because of the dependence of the number of microstates on the height (or gravitational potential).

Gravity is

1) reversible;

2) it preserves the interference patterns - that just freely falls, just like the equivalence principle implies (so the breaking of the interference patterns in Verlinde's picture also contradicts the equivalence principle).

See more explanations of these rudimentary basic points at

http://motls.blogspot.com/2010/01/erik-verlinde-why-gravity-cant-be.html

/*Gravity can't be an entropic force because entropic forces are 1) irreversible*/

In AWT gravity is reversible force, dual to pressure of radiation (antigravity). In fact, just this pressure is entropic force, gravity is negentropic.

/*it preserves the interference patterns */

I simply didn't get such argument, both in relation to gravity, both in relation to entropy. Could you clarify it?

BTW the argumento of irreversibility of gravity could be used as an argument against existence of gravitational waves, as AMRIT bellow noted (but I don't understand the motivation of this argument with respect to Verlinde's model).

put your name, ...transparence and respect ....grrrrrrrrrr you are a crackpot anonymous ahahahah you have a notoriety which explains the anon.or what azhahahah

Using the entroiy principle, who can prove....the kelvin planck statement of the second law and also the clausius statement with this same second law?????

Steve

Attempt for censorship applied on your blog won't help you here, Lubos - if you're saying, gravity is irreversible, then it cannot form gravity waves, predicted by relativity - it's as simple as it is.

And the babbling about "interference patterns" is irrelevant to the topic at all, until you prove the opposite.

For once, I understand Steve and agree completely.

If this is true, then there should be a way to nullify it?

Since 1917 we have known that gravity is a peculiar type of "force" in that two objects in empty space moving with respect to each other will never attract and come together unless their initial trajectories were such as to force that. Instead,they both serenely circle each other most of the time in ellipses in which they smoothly accelerate towards or away from each other.GR is best understood as a description of motion and geodesics always were the pathway of motion with minimal or no expenediture of energy, even though velocities and momentum could change quite spectacularly.

Most interestingly, an astronaut crusing along a curvilinear geodesic experiences no accelerations even though his/her velocity and direction of travel changes constantly.

In extreme elliptical orbits we find that naked singularities can arise which do not have event horizons. In the classic black hole, the event horizon does arise but many folks conjecture that an astronaut nearing it may appear from far outside the system to be torn apart by tidal forces and smeared out but to the astronaut all his parts retain the same perceived relationship to each other and everything is normal. This is similar to his/her observations during the elliptical accelerations, which is that he/she does not report feeling accelerated at all.

Always the reality we see does not allow any object to "fall" into another unless an exactly equivalent amount of mass/energy speeds away. No rogue star is ejected from a galactic center without else being forced down to the event horizon of a black hole. Hawking famously pondered whether particle/anti-particle pairs appearing virtually out of the cosmic foam could so diverge and if half of the info of that pair would then be lost.

So what is information? Humpty Dumpty lies on the floor and I can neither guess what happened to him nor put the remnants back together because too much info was lost when a lazy cosmic housekeeper did a half-baked job of cleaning up the mess.

However, if it was perfectly half of a mess and if the half of what remains exactly duplicates the missing material and indeed is still joined to it even up to an infinite distance in a spooky QM sense, has info really been erased? It still has a perfect duplicate, after all. I have always wondered if in an 11 dimensional universe we may have two objects that are separated in our common four dimensions but exactly the same point in the other 7, if other influences can leak across the dimensions the way Lisa Randall's gravity does? When does a leaking influence become a hidden variable?

whoops, left out word "something" before word "else" in 3rd line of 4th paragraph

For once for once , oh lalala the net is tiring ..sigh .the sciences community is bizare.Oh my God .Where are we ?

For once, for once Thanks dear Mr Foster

Steve

The entire idea is really not that new. The late Burkhard Heim looked as Entropy as additional dimension (yes in two directions, which positive direction he called Entelechie) he also mathematical formulated. Now with the help of a fifth dimension (Aeonic he called), he was (theoretical) able to show how these informational dimensions (here Hologram) would generate Graviton's among others. Sounds pretty similar, doesn't it?

Lubos,

In your blog entry at the end you state: "Together with the attempts to "unexplain" quantum mechanics by a silly deterministic picture, these flawed "alternative attempts" are likely to stay with us for quite some time."

I am curious to see what do you make out of Adler's attempts in this area:

http://www.sns.ias.edu/%7Eadler/Html/CAMbook.html http://www.sns.ias.edu/~adler/talks/italy2006.pdf

http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0510120

Thank you,

Florin

Zephir,

"In AWT gravity is reversible force, dual to pressure of radiation (antigravity). In fact, just this pressure is entropic force, gravity is negentropic."

If radiation is the anti-gravity, would the photon, being a light particle, be the initial collapse of radiation back into mass, while radiation, in its role as anti-gravity/expansion, be a pure wave?