Readers' Choice: The Holographic Universe

hello ray,

saying "But we know that reality has a dual wave and particle nature, and that holograms require BOTH concepts to work." is really saying nothing new.

you do realize that holograms are standard three-hour labs in undergraduate physics?

please do not put the blame of string theory's epic failures on expiremental physics, as string theory makes no predictions. this is not he fault of expiremental physics.

you ask, "Is it better to be a faceless, proletariat gear that no one remembers, or to be the guy that everyone remembers for being burnt at the stake?"

is this how modern physics works? our string/lqg overlords of failure think they are doing physics a favor by lining their private pockets with millions upon millions for failed inquisition physics, while letting physics and young physicists starve and burn? is this your view of modern physics, ray? are you ok with this?

Ray writes, "Dear Jeff,

I understand your pessimism. I dropped out of grad school (after I had qualified for a Doctorate in Solid State Physics) once because I didn't like being a faceless, proletariat gear. I once swore off physics and higher education. Years later, I chose to go back to grad school. My perspective was completely different - I didn't want to "simply survive" grad school - I wanted to be one of the best."

I don't think Jeff is being pessimistic.

Rather it seems he is being quite optimistic as he exalts truth and beauty over the handwaving physics regimes of failure, denial, lies, hype, deceit, and subterfuge.

I think, Ray, that the pessimistic ones are the ones who have so little hope for truth and beauty and independent thought that they join snarky groupthink regimes and speak not for truth but for politics and profit.

They are the true pessimists, as they have given up.

It seems that Jeff, and certainly I, am optimists.

Whereas you seem a pessimist to so gleefully state that Bruno must always be burned while hype, lies, and conformal groupthink rewarded.

best,

kelly

nice post jeff--nut i would add to it:

How physics works these days:

1. Come up with a completely non-physical concept such as tiny little strings or little loops or mutiverses or higher dimensions.

2. Make sure that not only that these entities have never been seen, but make sure that it is impossible to even look for them.

3. Falsely claim that you are doing what Einstein did.

4. Raise hundreds of millions in funding and recruit the "best and brightest" political manipulators across the land while exiling physicists.

5. Embrace and celebrate decades of failure as justifications for millions of more dollars.

6. Reward regimists with cash and prizes.

7. Wash, rinse, and repeat as true physicists and physics equations and physics are exiled from the academy and official discussions on the physics-free physics.

8. Fund tenured professors to create crackpot indexes and teach the rising young syocphantic supporters of failed regimes to attack honest curiosity in an ad hominemen mannner, label anyone who questions the deceit as crackpot.

9. Purchase playstation videogame consoles to show how cool lqg is, even though it lacks physical reality and meaningful equations.

10. Keep the failure and funding alive for non existent entities such as quantum gravity and string theory by saying things such as "holography gives us our most precise forumaltion of quantum gravity (which doesn't exist)" and string theory (which doesn't have equations nor any physical grounding in reality) gives us our best insights on time.

11. Viciously attack young physicists questioning any of the ridiculous machinations and receive funds and cash awards for your ad hominem attacks as your boss works not on physics but on books about space aliens and ufos, while ignoring Godel and Eisntein.

Dear Kelly,

Performing a three-hour holography experiment does not prove holographic gravity anymore than a "string & cup phone" proves string theory.

Have Fun!

ray posits: "Dear Kelly,

Performing a three-hour holography experiment does not prove holographic gravity anymore than a "string & cup phone" proves string theory.

Have Fun!"

dear ray you are right!

nothing proves holographic gravity as holographic gravity cannot be proven as holographic gravity is not a physical entity, but a social construct designed by the failed string regime to bolster further funding.

thanks for pointing it out ray. :)

I just found another sock behind my nightstand. This is getting weird.

Thanks Ray--allow me to respond in parentheses:

Dear Jeff,

I understand your pessimism. (I am not pessimistic at all! The String Theory Regimists are the pessimists. They are so pessimistic about the future of physics and independent thought and grasping physical reality with mathematics that they gave up long ago! They are so pessimistic about pursuing and apprehending physical reality that they begin with entities that aren't even real! Tiny, vibratng strings!! In all the history of science, there is no greater pessimist than the modern string theorist who exalts politics and hype all for a few fiat dollars more, while rejecting physics and physicists) I dropped out of grad school (after I had qualified for a Doctorate in Solid State Physics) once because I didn't like being a faceless, proletariat gear (But above you say that cheap proletariat labor is a good thing and that it is noble of string regimist sensior citizens to dehumanize human benings by seeing them as but expendable, faceless gears in their Matrix of lies, hype, deceit, and failure)). I once swore off physics and higher education (You were the pessimist!). Years later, I chose to go back to grad school. My perspective was completely different - I didn't want to "simply survive" grad school - I wanted to be one of the best (Huh? Why not both survive and be one of the best? And being the best is nothing more than being oneself.).

I enjoy living, thinking, and spending time with my wife and daughter, and I'm not yet ready to be burned at the stake. But at least we remember Bruno's name. Is it better to be a faceless, proletariat gear that no one remembers, or to be the guy that everyone remembers for being burnt at the stake? (Well, I bet if you asked the FQXI elders, they will tell you that we have since moved beyond the era of the Inquisition and the defunding and perseuction of logic, reason, and physics. Are you call them liars Ray? Are you saying that we still need to burn the Brunos and that the Brunos must still be burned?)

Modern physics is at a standstill because experiment has not advanced as quickly as potential theories in recent decades (This is completely false. There are plenty of theories with physical, logical, and mathematical proof which are supressed and knocked down in favor of the baseless string theory and lqg quantum gravity regimes. And too, string theory and lqg make no physical predictions, as pointed out above, so it would be impossible to devise any experiments to test them. Ergo, Ray, you cannot and must not blame the failure of Stirng Theory on experimentalists). Not only are the experiments technologically difficult (Ray--they do not exist!), but we have fewer monetary resorces in this difficult economy (Ray--more money was just spent on the LHC than any otehr physics project ever--o the lack of money is a spurious argument--as spurious as say, String Thoery). To my knowledge, there is insufficient experimental confirmation of strings, CDT, and holographic gravity (you misspelled nonexistant as "insufficient"). But we know that reality has a dual wave and particle nature, and that holograms require BOTH concepts to work (A total non sequitor sentence with aboslutely no meaningful content, other than to say holograms are holographic and based on the properties of light, which is decades old news).

Have Fun! (Yes! While they burn bruno & physics at the stake be sure to have fun!)

Hey Bobby!

If you rephrase your sentence you can get some funding--"I just found another sock behind my nightstand. This is getting weird. Quantum mechanics is weird and string theory is weird. Ergo finding socks behind nightstands is proof of String Theory!"

Dear Jeff,

"More money was spent on the LHC than any other physics project ever."

I was in grad school when the US Congress killed the Superconducting Supercollider (SSC) that was to be built near Dallas. The argument against the SSC was that costs had risen to an unexpectedly high 10 billion dollars. I was working on a High Energy Physics degree, and I like Texas (I'm a Floridian, but spent 4 years in Texas - I like the people and their "Lone Star" attitude) - I had hoped to get a position associated with the SSC upon graduation. I sent letters supporting the SSC and basic scientific research to my Senators, Congressmen, and President Clinton's office. President Clinton's office responded on linen stationary (we can't afford basic scientific research, but we can afford luxurious stationary...), but none of my other elected representatives bothered to respond. They left Texas with a two billion dollar hole in the ground. Now the future of High Energy Physics has moved to Europe. I'm likewise disappointed with our recent lack of support for Space exploration.

The American idea of "basic scientific research" has deteriorated to developing the first 5(6,7,8, we can count...)G wireless broadband network. If an immediate payback on research investment dollars can't be seen, then it isn't well-funded.

I'm the same age as Bruno when he was burned at the stake. If I got killed in a car accident tomorrow, I don't think that anyone would know of me in the year 2410. But we all know of Bruno's martyrdom. We will all die someday, but will we die without ever having really made a difference? Maybe I'm a realist and not a pessimist or optimist...

I am working towards a TOE. I think that a TOE must properly contain both particle and wave natures. I think that string theory is the wave extreme of this equation. String theory may be insufficient by itself, but is probably part of the puzzle. Garrett Lisi's E8 'TOE' is a particle-like approach based on the 8-D Gosset lattice. Likewise, the simplices of Causal Dynamical Triangulation can be built out of particle-like lattices. I think that fighting over these two extremes is silly, and that Scale Invariance allows us to unite these extremes. The cool thing about Holography is that it works with both extremes.

Still Having Fun!

AHAHAHAH STILL PUB FOR e8 YOUR FRIEND ON FACEBOOK......THE TOE IS THE SPHERIZATION rAY ....WHAT IS THIS STRATEGIC BUSINESS OF PSEUDO SCIENCES.....

MONNEY = CHAOS Dr Cosmic Ray

What is it ....we see in the words the kind of pub.......it's not scientific that Ray ...have you a job or this team have a super vanity and the fear to loose their credibility.....

TRANSPARENCE....=TRUTH.....=....redemption hahahah

Regards

Steve

Have fun

your friend

Steve

Hi Steve,

I'm not sure what you mean. I'm a self-employed businessman and doing well-enough that I don't need a science job. Yes - I've sold a few copies of my book, but I've given away more. I realy haven't 'made money' off of my science since I gave up teaching in 2003.

Garrett Lisi and I are Facebook friends (just like you and I are), and I think Lisi has started something interesting with his E8 model, but he has focussed on a 'simple' theory, and I think he has overlooked or omitted several important features of the TOE, such as extra dimensions, scale invariance, pentality symmetries, and holography. His latest paper uses a rank-14 Lie algebra that appears to be at least 14-dimensional IMHO. My current model is at least 28-dimensional. I think that I understand parts of the TOE, but admit that it is currently beyond my mathematical and philosophical ability to explain all of it. If I could explain it well, you would be one of the first that I would try to convince. All I know is that spheres look too much like a particle-like model to be able to explain wave-like behavior as well.

Have Fun!

thanks ray,

i was hoping to check out some of garrett lisi's papers and was wondering what journal i could find them in. please do share.

thanks in advance!

:)

I am understanding Dr Cosmic Ray ,I am understanding.

But since this pseudo pub of E8 by this platform,I see Lawrence and you always with this pseudo sciences.

Are we on a rational platform yes or no????

The name TOE is the problem, frist because if a theory is the toe is mine, humbly of course and second even thjis name is not sufficient because a theory evolves and completes itself with the real equations.

I see just in these stupidities a kind of play for a kind of pseudo credibility.

These ideas are just winds for the global and pragmatic sciences community, indeed Ray it exists real rationalists.

When a theory is correct or on the road of foundamentals, we see its applications everywhere in all centers of interest, without exeption.

Where are the extradimensions Ray, where are the strings, where are the multiverses, where are the irreversibilities, decoherences, ...what is this circus.

i THINK IT EXISTS TWO WORLDS IN THE SCEINCES COMMUNITY,personnally I know mine simply.

You are intelligent dear Ray, why do you continue on these stupidities?

Focus on spheres spherization and the sphere....EUREKA THE REAL TOE EXISTS FRIENDS OF ALL OVER THE WORLD...FROM BELGIUM .

Ps if you change your line of reasoning, perhaps we could collaborate in, the future for my theory and its improvements.On the other side, you are welcome for the sciences center dear Ray.I will learn you how we multiplicate plants and flowers or how we compost,really Ray that ,it's real sciences.

Have fun.but be rational !

Steve

Hi Kelly,

Two of Lisi's recent E8 papers are attached as pdf files. I think they are posted on arXiv, but might not be in print.

Hi Steve,

You asked "Where are the extradimensions Ray?"

I ask "Where is information stored?" How does every electron 'know' that it has an intrinsic spin of 1/2 h-bar, an electric charge of -1e, and a rest mass of 511 KeV/c^2? Does this information 'piggyback ride' with the electron in 3- or 4-dimensions or is it stored in hidden dimensions?

Also consider the fact that any particular experiment can only measure a particle behavior OR a wave behavior, and thus we only observe - at most - half of the potential observables in a given experiment.

It is OK for you to disagree with me. You should study Causal Dynamical Triangulation, Garrett Lisi's ideas, my simplices from last year, and Tom Ray's ideas, and see if you can push this kissing sphere/ particle-like approach of yours to a logical conclusion. Once you fully understand that perspective, then you will fully understand HALF of the TOE, which will put you far ahead of the average person.

Money is a necessary thing, but I'm not really in it for the money. If I ever do stumble across a fortune, I would be glad to help your International Science Center, and help feed the poor people of Africa.

Have Fun!Attachment #1: 1006.4908v1.pdfAttachment #2: LISI.pdf

ahahah interesting Ray, interesting.

We see with our heart ,the essential is invisible for our eyes...isn't it ?

I see spheres and the message is universal, waves and particles are same Dr Cosmic Ray, they are spheres, all are spheres, we are like that Ray, an polarization of spheres, ....it's like that and all is in 3DIMENSIONS.

Ray ,I have had the time to analyze these extrapolations, yours, TH,lisi,Lawrence....I don't see any global truth.

On the other side some derivations, mathematical extrapolations are relevant .But the main referential, the topology, the thermod.,the mecanics, all that is not respected.

I beleive really what all that is for the second zone or for the public which don't understand sciences.

For all rationalists, real searchers of truth,these extrapolations are just winds for fun like you say.

You are a real searcher Ray thus why ???

I can't insert these models with all these decoherences, reversibilities,non respect of constants and invariances.....that has no sense.

I prefer continue to search the universal link between all spheres, quantics or cosmologics.

The rotations of all spheres are proprotionals with its mass.......mvV CONSTANT FOR ALL PHYSICAL SPHERES QUANTICS OR COSMOLOGICS.YOU CAN TEST? IF IT4S FALSE THUS IT LACKS A OR SEVERAL PARAMETERS...HI THE THERMODYNAMICS rAY AND THE ENTROPY AND THEIR irreversibilities..........

Regards

Steve

Dear Steve,

I have been playing with the thermodynamics of the TOE since 1979. If ideas were children, then that idea would be almost as old as you. This is an aspect of TOE, but I think there are bigger obstacles that the physics community needs to overcome before they can look at the thermodynamics properly, and this is the proper interpretation of dimensions and information.

Have Fun!

Dear Ray,

Age has nothing to do with the quality of work Ray,really.

It happened to me in fact to talk with graduates who have unfortunately not identified the foundamental referencials of our basic axioms.

The thermodynamics is in three dimensions and evidence to the contrary it will rest as that. Fortunally furthermore for our equations , derivations, superimposings,substitutions,...

TOE = TOS = THEORY OF SPHERISATION.....A GUT OF ROTATING SPHERES...QUANTICS AND COSMOLOGICS OF COURSE....humbly of course with a sincere humility.

Regards

Steve

dear ray,

has lisi published his theory in any journals yet?

if not, why not?

Dear Kelly,

I looked up Lisi on Spires-HEP, and it is only showing 6 articles, with the last three being e-articles on arXiv (one with Lee Smolin). Spires shows 12 of my 13 publications. Lisi is a maverick. I think he has one of those parallel universe app's on his phone so that he can decide whether he should surf or work on equations on any given day. I'm a different kind of maverick. I spend most of my day as CEO, but I write down insprirational ideas as I have them.

I think that Lisi's E8 'TOE' is the start of something interesting (perhaps a 'Toy TOE'), although I think that the minimun 8-D Gosset Lattice is too small for any real TOE. Lisi has received significant criticism from Jacques Distler, and I agree with Distler that E8 may be too small (in fact, I said so in my upcoming article with Lawrence Crowell in Prespacetime Journal), but does that mean that we can't learn something from a simple model that may contain the correct symmetries?

Scan down to my Aug 20th posting if you want to download pdf's of a couple of Lisi's recent papers.

Dear Steve,

I meant no insult when I compared your age of 35 years with my QSGUT theory's age of 31 years. In fact, Dirac and Einstein were both young when they developed their greatest ideas. Thermodynamics might be 3-D, but what if it is an additional 3-D to the 3-D that we observe?

Have Fun!