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Hi to both of you,

You know, It exists only 3 physical dimensions and a time constant at my humble opinion,not ten even in all our extrapolations,physical. The numbers dance under a pure 3D . It's that the magical universal sphere, a pure creation in 3D....above our walls, limits,it's without time,without dimension,without number, It's the Eternity ,the physicality is an act of love and rests purely and always in 3D.That's why the extradimensions and others things interpreting the unknwon by the physicality aren't rational.In fact it's just due to a spiritual and philosophical interpretation wanting find the explainations of this eternity via the physicality.The best is to act and improve the 3D physicality,it's more rational and logic as our real numbers. Thus the extradimensions are a lost of time simply. The dimensions are rationals and reals.The infinity the 0 and the - do not really exist ....the real puzzle is in 3D, we are far of our walls but we evolve also....

Best Regards

Steve

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    Dear Basudeba,

    I sincerely do not care for how many dimensions there are any more as I found myself. What I am trying to convey here to the scientific community is to lets stop worrying about how many dimensions or strings there are and look at the practical issues we are facing in the world. Just look at all other living beings on this planet, on how they are living consciously, not abusing the planet. Lets put an end to this irrational discussions on how it all came to be and whose theory or perspective is right or wrong and realize that we are the co creators of reality going forward on this planet. The way you refer to your self as "we" is the same way that I refer to "us" as "I". I wish us all the best and I hope that we can be of some real use to the next generation of humanity.

    Be in Love to Rest in Peace,

    Sridattadev.

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    Dear Steve,

    I do not care for how many dimensions there are, I have come up with n-sphere representation of the universe, so as to put a conclusion to enquiry in to the unknown. I have said in the original essay, there is no space unless one chooses to measure and there is no time until one chooses to count. If we just look around at all other different species of living beings on this planet, this simple truth becomes apparent. We are caught up in this black hole of quest to realize how everything works and ignoring the beauty of the singularity of love in all of us. I hope if we just start loving and caring for each other and other beings on this plaent we will be in more touch with reality and that is the closest we can get to the ultimate truth.

    Love,

    Sridattadev.

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    To Mr. Steve Dufourny,

    Dear Sir,

    We fully agree with your views that there are only three spatial dimensions and there is time, because e.m. radiation that is necessary for perception, propagates in three mutually perpendicular dimensions and propagation implies change of position in a discrete sequence, whose interval is called time. When applying this concepts to objects, we extend this principle only.

    What we perceive through ocular perception is the physical features of spread and colors. Colors are due to the peculiar combination of the object that release e.m. waves of only specific characteristics. Spread as dimension has to be measured only in the case of objects with fixed structures whose surface maintains a fixed a fixed distance from every other point - solids. These distances are measured against a frame of reference and from a specific position. We call this position as the origin and the three axes are the three dimensions. Though these dimensions are nothing but distances from the origin, they are different from pure length because though the length against a particular axis changes with the rotation of the body, the distance of each point on the surface of the body from other points remain invariant. Just like we can uniquely describe the spread of any two given points on the surface of the body along any axis (in both positive and negative directions making a total of 6 dimensions), we can also uniquely describe the same along four more axes (xy, -xy, -x -y, x -y, where x = y). We call these the ten physical dimensions which are nothing but projections of the same three spatial dimensions. These are rational and logical as real numbers. We do not believe in compactified or extra large dimensions. There is nothing spiritual and philosophical in these interpretations. But these are necessary to find the explanations of the eternity via the physicality.

    To Mr. Sridattadev,

    Dear Sir,

    You say "there is no space unless one chooses to measure and there is no time until one chooses to count". Space and time exist by themselves and not because we measure or count them (incidentally counting is also a type of measurement as measurement is comparison between similars and counting is done by comparing between similars). We live in space and time - they do not exist because of us. We cannot measure these because these are infinite. We only measure particular segments of these. Only through dimensions we can give a proper representation of the universe. This is true whether care about it or not. "We are caught up in this black hole of quest" only due to our ignorance and vanity that inhibits knowledge. There cannot be "singularity of love" because nothing can be differentiated in singularity and love is always meant for others - where we differentiate the lover from the loved. Sermons are harming the cause of both spirituality and science. Since this is a forum of science and not spirituality or philosophy, let us discuss science or keep quiet.

    Regards

    basudeba.

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    Dear Sir,

    Will you please define precisely and scientifically what is meant by "I", "love" and "peace"? If not please write to us in our email mbasudeba@gmail.com

    We request you to either talk of science or spirituality. We should not mix both in a scientific forum.

    Regards,

    basudeba.

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    TO ALL,

    We have commented on the Essay of Mr. Neil Bates giving a different explanation for entanglement, superposition, double slit experiment and decoherence. Hence we are putting it up here for general discussion.

    We agree that: "Attempts at understanding should not be fallacious or driven by desperation to make the world conform to our prejudices or convenience". But unfortunately, there is a rush for recognition that makes increasing number of young talents desperately trying to project "the world conform to our (their) prejudices or convenience".

    You have correctly said: "Consider a graphical simulation, with one state represented as red and the other as green: after decoherence, we imagine a messy and complex pattern with various shades of red, orange, yellow, green - but both colors are always part of the display. Why then wouldn't such a combination be part of our observations as well? Disorder shouldn't make superpositions "inaccessible" in all possible ways." While we agree with your views on decoherence, we have a different explanation for the phenomenon.

    You have said: "Nor should it matter to my experience right now of an event, whether I can recover information such as the phase setting on C. Furthermore, why should phase change that happen in the past or future, affect my current experience of exclusivity in measurement? Is there some "anticipation" of that?" The answer to your question lies in the nature of our measurement system and the nature of superposition. We will give an alternative explanation for these phenomena.

    Superposition of states and Entanglement are grossly misreported phenomena. Measurement is a process of comparison between similars. Thus the result of measurement is always a scalar quantity. Measurement processes for particles and fields are different, just like measurement processes for space, time and space-time are different. The result of measurement is the description of the state of the object measured at a designated instant. The state of the object was not the same before nor will be the same after the measurement as it continues to evolve in time independent of our observation or measurement. We freeze the description of the state at a designated instant and call it the result of measurement at subsequent times. All other unknown states before and after the instant of measurement together are called superposition of states.

    It is said that "micro-sized particles millions of miles apart respond to one another or communicate as if they were local to each other, whereby the speed of light does not apply", whereas in reality, it tapers off after a few kilometers. We have shown in different threads in this forum (below the essays of Mr. Weckbach and Mr. Castel, etc.) that it is not a mysterious phenomenon at all and it has macro equivalents. When two objects retain their original relationship after being physically separated, such relationship is called entanglement. Suppose someone while traveling forgot to take one of the pair of socks. The individual sock of the pair is complementary to the other. They cannot be used in isolation. If someone asks, 'which of the pairs has gone with the traveler', the answer will be unknown till someone at either end finds out by physical verification. This is a macro example of entanglement. Before the verification (measurement) was done; which one went out was not known. It could have been either one (superposition of all states), but not both at the same time in all locations (as is generally described). After measurement, the answer is conclusively known (so-called wave function collapses). There is no need to unnecessarily sensationalize it. The quantum entanglement can be easily explained if we examine the nature of confinement and the measure the distance up to which entanglement shows up (generally, it is not infinite, but lasts up to a maximum of a few kilo meters only).

    We hold the field as the absolute entity and define particles are locally confined fields. The nature of confinement differentiates between particles and fields (field densities) and matter and energy. They are not interchangeable, but are inseparable conjugates, though the proportion of each in a coupling may vary. This variation determines its charge. We do not accept Coulomb's law. We have a different explanation for the apparent attraction of opposite charges and the apparent repulsion of similar charges. We explain the double slit experiment and decoherence as follows:

    There is a river at the entrance of our home town, where a bridge was built in ancient times by erecting 19 big stone pillars in the water. This created 18 equidistant channels through which water flowed. Sometimes we went swimming and playfully pushed water through the channels. Sometimes we will push water in one channel. Sometimes standing behind the pillar; we would push water through both channels. At other times we would stand still and watch the waves flowing naturally. We would watch the waves and see the interference pattern. When the water flowed naturally, the waves behaved like the bands in the double slit experiment when unobserved. When we pushed the water through one channel, it showed no interference (the small natural waves were subdued). When we pushed water through both channels (slits), the interference pattern was also absent.

    The simplest explanation for this phenomenon is the periodicity of wave formation and the interference by the retarded wave. When waves flowed naturally, the periodicity of wave generation remained almost constant. The amplitude and wavelength also remained constant. The waves retarded after hitting the shore line in equal time and velocity. Since the waves propagated through different channels generated different but similar waves, the interference pattern was visible. When we pushed water, it injected additional energy. This changed the amplitude, wavelength and periodicity of the waves. Thus, whether we pushed through one channel or both, the energetic wave alone was visible and the weak interference pattern was subdued. In the case of double slit experiment, something similar happens. The detection device directs the photon or electron to a particular slit. This requires additional energy. This changes the amplitude, wavelength and periodicity of the waves. Thus, we see the result differently from the unobserved state. The confuser in your experiment affects in a similar way.

    One reason why the scientists still cling to the theory in spite of such simple explanations is the nature of mathematics for interference experiment. For calculating the probability distribution of detection of the electron or the photon over the surface of the screen, one cannot take the probabilities of the passage through the slits, multiply with the probabilities of detection at the screen conditional on passage through either slit, and sum over the contributions of the two slits. There is an additional so-called interference term in the correct expression for the probability. This term depends on both wave components that pass through the slit. Thus, the experimental result is interpreted to show that the correct description of the electron or the photon in terms of quantum wave-functions is one in which the wave passes through both slits. The quantum state of the electron or the photon is not given by a wave that passes through the upper slit or a wave that passes through the lower slit, not even a probabilistic measure of ignorance. Thus, the scientists are forced to accept the superposition principle and wave-particle duality to explain interference.

    Contrary to popular perception, the general mathematical superposition principle holding for linear differential equations has nothing to do with physical reality, as actual physical states and their evolution is supposed to be uniquely defined by corresponding initial conditions. These initial conditions characterize individual solutions of Schrödinger equation: they correspond to different properties of a physical system, some of them being conserved during the whole evolution. Yet, initial conditions alone cannot fully explain the time evolution of a particle or for that matter, anything. The uncertainty principle has to be brought in here and the other environmental effects are also to be considered. Without this there will be no meaning for evolution as evolution implies change and change is not restricted to redistribution of the same thing over and over again. Such statements like: "quantum mechanics including superposition rules have been experimentally verified" are absolutely wrong. All tests hitherto have concerned only consequences following from the Schrödinger equation and not the stand alone equation.

    Mathematically, we know that the area of a rectangle and a parallelogram on the same base is equal. Since area implies two dimensional field, we have to use second order terms. If the length is a units and breadth is b units, then the area will be a + b squared units, which is a^2 + b^2 + 2ab. This can be geometrically proved. But when the rectangle is shifted to make it a parallelogram, the projection of b along y axis is reduced. Thus, we have to bring in an additional factor of cos θ to bring parity. This shows that b in a rectangle and b in a parallelogram over the same base are different, even though distance-wise both have the same value. In the diffraction experiment, this difference becomes dominant, because traveling time for the waves after the deflection in both ways are different. There is no mystery in this case. The difference in relative path lengths causes the different patterns.

    Regards,

    basudeba.

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    Hello,

    Dear Sir ,

    Thank you very mych for your explaination.R and Q seems showing the road of pure 3D .....with primes of course, see the zeta function of Riemann,...

    the spirituality is a beautiful subjective interpretation and the physicality(sphericality in 3D)is rational.That permits to contemplate and be a catlyzer of truths and truth.In fact the dimensions rest always in 3D and it exists only different scales. I beleive humbly that if it exists walls, limits, there is a reason....

    The rotations are numerous, quant and cosm.,relativistically speaking.And all turns around a main central sphere at my humble opinion,the universal center....if we know the lenghts of these two gauges, quantic and cosm.......it's very relevant.more the universal volume of the universal sphere, variable in time space evolution considering the 4d evolution.If now the pure finite number of spheres,cosm.and quant. considering the uniqueness and its entropy,is inserted.....it's so revolutionary...

    Happy to discuss with you.

    Best Regards

    Steve

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    Hello dear Sridattadev,

    Thank you for your answer. The physicality can be optimized, harmonized, improved with rationality and love and compassion.It's so simple and so evident but unfortunally we have our global past and we continue to nourrish some errors, as the monney, the differences, the borders and frontiers, the arms and weapons.....all that is purely dedicated to disappear in time space evolution.Indeed and fortunally for the future. The only solutions are by universal sciences , rational and logic,and the unification of real universalists. I will be happy if you can help me for the sciences center and Basudeba also, the real secret is simple.The real revolution is quiet and by adapted sciences.The ideas of several are better than the idea of one person.

    In all case I will tell you the evolution, here on FQXi it exists so wonderful persons, since the two years I write here I saw so many universalits, hope they shall help me for the future also, I am young 35 and in logic this year will be the good for the creation, real of this base, scientific and humanistic and universal.The name will be "Unified Sphere Institute"USI "International Humanistic Sciences Center"IHSC, several spheres of complementarity could be created in several countries and the synergies shall be relevant at my humble opinion.

    In all case all are welcome .

    Best Regards

    Steve

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    Dear Basubeba,

    I LOVE PEACE means absolutely nothing in science, but it means everything in spirituality. Reality is a combination of both science and spirituality. Trying to understand one aspect of reality with out including the other is impossible. As a human who has experienced both these aspects I would like to conclude by saying

    everything = absolutely nothing.

    I wish you all the best in your endeavour to pursue the truth on only the scientific side of the reality.

    Love,

    Sridattadev.

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    Dear Sir,

    Science leads to knowledge. Knowledge is one of the factors that destroys inertia of thought that. Controlling thought is a part of spirituality. Thus, for us, science and spirituality are the same and not different. Bur talking mystically is not the same as spirituality. Similarly, self-proclaimed mysticism is not spirituality. The texts say: "moorkham chhandonuvtittena" meaning thereby it is a ploy to influence fools. We are not impressed.

    We are not impressed by such self-proclaimed mysticism spiritualism or mysticism. Had you been spiritual, you would not have joined a contest whose sole purpose is to win over others. There was no compulsion on you like Arjuna to join this competition. This is not the only forum to propagate spiritualism.

    So please stop this pretense of spirituality. Try to seek knowledge.

    Regards,

    basudeba.

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    Dear Sir,

    We will be happy to be associate with your project or any other project with noble ideas in any manner you wish.

    Regards,

    basudeba.

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    Dear Sir,

    I am so happy, it's very nice, thank you very much. I will tell you the evolution.

    Regards

    Steve

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    Dear Basudeba,

    Please let go off your anger and ego and know that every one is free to express what they like. Try to appreciate the work of others in this contest instead of disecting a select portion of their work and putting things out of context and asking for an explanation. Please grasp the essence in a statement and not bother about each word and its etimology. I am in it to implant the truth that I have experienced in the hearts of some of the well learned people who can be of greater good to the society. If I were to win this contest by chance, I would donate all the prize money to a charity and would ask the organizers to do it on my behalf. I have no reason to reply to you, but I am writing this to make you realize that there is always some one like you who is full of animosity towards others and so fundamentalistic in their mindset that they detest every one else, which is the root cause of several problems in the world. I hope you will change to be a more gentler and caring soul in time and love everyone and everything. Be in love to rest in peace.

    Love,

    Sridattadev.

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    Dear Sir,

    We understand your anger. The root cause of anger is the inability to prevent something. We have exposed your limited knowledge of Shastras, which you were showing in a circle that are not conversant with it and were being impressed by its novelty. Because we think such behavior as hypocritical, we had to tell you to stop - first subtly then bluntly. Thus, it is understandable that your inability to prevent it would lead to anger.

    We are not full of animosity towards all. Our animosity is directed only to hypocrisy. While dealing with science we should not mix up spirituality. To that extent we are a fundamentalist, because we do not mix up both and also derive everything from fundamental principles.

    What will you do with your prize money is a hypothetical question. It is not within your control. Thus, discussing about it is futile.

    We suggest you can leave your pretense of Godlyness. Then you can be at peace.

    Regards,

    basudeba.

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    Dear Basudeba,

    Everything and absolutely nothing is god. Please know that you are god as well. "Tat tatvam asi" which means you are that Brahman or ultimate truth is the essence of all vedas and shastras. It is just the ignorance of this truth that is the cause of all problems. If we all realize that we are all god we will not suffer and cause others to suffer, that is the message I am trying to put across. Thanks again for your understanding.

    Love,

    Sridattadev.

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    So we finally meet again...

    Only for me to say, "Excellent Job sir".

    Farewell

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    Hi to both of you,

    Dear Sridattadev,

    It's a little nietschean this interpretation of the whole. I am not in agreement with Nietsche,he said that we are god ,why he said that I think it's purely linked with vanity and the fact to be a surman ,my opinion is totaly different, we aren't god, we are creations,catalyzers of environments. The nothing doesn't exist, it's just a human invention as the - or the 0 or ...this evidence is the pure objective rationality of our realism and its creations. If as you say we are god, thus of course that implies it exists gods with a s ....what is thus the real sense of the entropy and its uniqueness if you insert the nietschean vision and your line of reasoning.

    Best Regards brother human.

    Steve

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    Dear Steve,

    God is love, we all love to live and that love (energy in scientific terms) in us is god. I am just pointing every one to this underlying source which is infinite and can be experienced by everyone (singularity of experience) and it is out of this source matter and we are manifested. Please see the essay by Constantinos Ragazaz in this contest, he coined a new symbol eta for this infinite source and trying to provide some mathematical model.

    Love,

    Sridattadev.

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    Dear Sir,

    God cannot be love for the simple reason that they exhibit different characteristics. Love always implies duality trying to unite. It has an opposite - hate. God is supposed to create many out of Himself - one becoming dual and so on. God is omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent. His opposite has to be non-existent, non-sentient and non-reactive. Such a being is impossible to exist. Thus, your description is not correct.

    Love belongs to the 24 Tattwa division, which are known as Atma Tattwa. Then there are seven Vidyaa Tattwas and five Shiva Tattwas. God can be explained through the last category. Adwait also belongs to this category.

    In case you want to know more about this, you may contact us at mbasudeba@gmail.com.

    Regards,

    basudeba.

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    Hello to both of you,

    Dear Sridattadev,

    All that is full of spirituality, it's well.

    I know the work of Constantinos, indeed he is on FQXi since a long time , me since more than 2 years I think,his spirituality is very relevant.

    Now I think that the real physicality must have its laws, and we must respect them.The love is infinite indeed, it's a reality. But the Universe is finite, thus we can't confound the subjectivity and the objectivity. The philosophy and the spirituality named universality is an evidence but we can't mesure these evidences.If you take for example the cantor sets and the different infinities(alephs).There is a big problem about interpretation of our realism and the infinity.The universe possesses a closed evolutive system,and thus we have walls ....thus of course you must differenciate some infinities when you interpret physics.If you insert an infinite serie for the newtonian fractal of mass for example, that has no sense.....it is a tool thus simply in conclusion as maths.

    In second conclusion, I don't think that infinity behind our walls can be explained via the physicality. It is better to insert reals and calculate the pure physicality and its creations.The eternity and this infinity is without our physicality.Thus we can't calculate it.But it's an evidence.....that helps for optimizing the interactions....as the universal love.

    Best Regards

    Steve