Scales Solve the Continuous vs. Discrete Paradox by Ray B Munroe

Hi Ray,

Thanks for reading my essay and your kind answers.

You write :

"Our Universe is a small fractal fragment of dust within an infinite Cantor set"

This is pure poetry ray, you can make a song of it, it indicates very much our position of human beings, its is evidently of the same charge as my vision, only you accept the singularity, that I need not because of my infinity which is not part of our 4-d causal deterministic universe, but as a symbol the singularity is useable, the further we go away from a world, the smaller it becomes from our local point of view, till it disappears and then we look for technical attributs to refind it , can we do so in infinity ?

sorry for the comma that had to be decimal point, in the long row of digital units it will cause a blurr in our Universe, in the quintessence it just another "singularity" , but be attentive any point in the quintessence can become tthe cause of a whole new universe, this one with a cosmic background radiation that is number thousand greater.

We are having fun lets continue all together isn't it ?

Wilhelmus

PS Ray,

I controlled and chequed ,the temperature of the the Cosmic Background Radiation (not actually with Planck) and found the reason why you see a comma as a decimal point an I see it as a comma, it is the difference between USA and Europe, for me after the comma can be an infinity (1,618034....... page 5 of your essay, you write it as 1.618034) pff that is a revelation.

enjoy

Wilhelmus

Dear Ray,

I really appreciate your approach of viewing universe as a crystal. As you know I have the same approach with my hyperdiamond model, except that my crystal lattice has the nature of a trivalent graph, not leaving in any space background of any dimension. Topologically encoded bits define both hyperdiamond geometry, bosonic/fermionic content and the tetrad gravitational field. All spacetime coordinates are on a D4 lattice, sublattice of 4D integer lattice where all coordinates have same parity. At first view there is no golden ratio here. But if we go to semiregular polytopes derived from the 24-cell, we get the snub 24-cell (or 144-cell) and Golden ratio appears in the coordinates !

So our theories may have some common truth behind both of them...

All the best

Ray

Dear Wilhelmus,

I wondered if it was a conversion from European to American conventions.

Have Fun!

Hi Ray,

I remenber first meeting you through the "Lisi E8 TOE" Facebook page (Garrett defriended me after we disagreed over certain points for a couple of years - its too bad we never got a chance to seriously talk through the details), and I know that we both have an interest in seeing something like Lisi's model reach full maturity.

The D4 and 24-cell sound a lot like some of Lawrence Crowell's latest ideas. Lawrence and I have been trying to develop an E8xE8* ~ SO(32) where one E8 is strictly real, the other E8* is strictly imaginary, the SO(32) contains the complex representation that we need to mathematically describe CP symmetry violation AND the fact that any observer can measure - at most - only half of the dynamic varibles present in a given experiment.

In my opinion, the five-fold "pentality" symmetry is necessary to convert this D4/ SU(5) 24-plet into an H4/ ~SU(11) 120-plet or an E8 240-plet. If you read my FQXi essay from last year, you will see that my pentality includes left-handed up quark, right-handed up quark, left-handed electron, right-handed electron, and scalar (tachyonic) up-electron. Similar "pentalities" exist between down quarks and electron neutrinos, and other generations. This five-fold symmetry is the origin of the Golden Ratio, our need for scales, and the origin of mass (along the lines of Coldea et al's magnetic quasiparticle mass ratios). It may originate as the Petrie diagram for a 4-D Pentachoron.

I like your ideas - they are a unique way of interpreting Lisi's particle groupings. I had a different way of obtaining these particle groupings using Buckyball symmetries in my Prespacetime Journal article with Lawrence Crowell - "The Nature of Dimensions".

Good Luck in the Essay Contest & Have Fun!

Dr. Cosmic Ray

Ray

To talk your language for just a sec (ever conscientious objectors can be medics!)you may be interested in my post to Phil below. I've also noticed I haven't rated yours yet. I can see 'where you are', but think you have far more vision and potential than many. Have you scored mine yet? I understand why I never really did get your frank view as I struggled with yours as well. But I really do think the concept needs airing in SA. So try mine in these terms;

To Phil; "Thanks for your note. Glad you read mine. I didn't want to mix the conceptual with this at this stage, but, considering yours, is it possible you could look at mine in terms of a Q-net (as a fibre optic) and quantum registers QUBITS 'lumped' together - "wanderland", or right down to individiual bits ('balls S^3')

I believe SR and LT link to this picture via QC=SR, "2+2=1+3" (Hermitean picture or Klein correspondence).

If you're impressed with that don't credit me, you should read Lucian Ionescue's essay, that's been a bit overlooked and should be way up the list. I only saw it yesterday!

Let me know if that computes. You should spot that it is actually paradigm shifting! Great to see you on a late charge.

Best wishes

Peter

Hi Peter,

I commented more on your essay at your blog site. I think that your idea is a wandering of photons within S^3 that are statistically guided by the Principle of Least Action. My ideas incorporate qubits of strings perfectly well.

Have Fun!

Dr. Cosmic Ray

Ray,

I posted a followup to your post in my forum that you might find interestiing.

Tom

Thanks, Tom!

I posted a response in your forum.

Ray,

Good news on the C-field front!

The 12 Mar 2011 issue of 'Science News' has two articles on the C-field:

The first (p.14) states that the C-field generated by a spinning Black Hole imparts (detectable) angular momentum to light passing through the field, circularly polarizing the light. Martin Bojowald suggests upgrading most telescopes to search for more of this.

The second article (p.20) on quantum vortices has Kerson Huang of MIT speculating that the vortices in the (C-field) 'superfluid' after the big bang may be responsible for the gaps of empty space between galaxies.

From 'Fly-by' mysteries to spinning Black Holes to the Big Bang, the C-field is being recognized as having physical reality responsible for observable effects.

Edwin Eugene Klingman

Ray,

I've enjoyed all of our exchanges, and, as I've said, you are a true gentleman and a good man. You may have missed a statement in one of my last comments to the effect that I retract my rejection of multiple scales, as I have identified another aspect of my theory that is probably best conceptualized in terms of scale. I look forward in the future to discussing this with you.

Congratulations on your placement. Now we'll see what the judges make of us.

Your friend,

Edwin Eugene Klingman

Hi Ed,

You said "You may have missed a statement in one of my last comments to the effect that I retract my rejection of multiple scales, as I have identified another aspect of my theory that is probably best conceptualized in terms of scales".

I agree, which is why I said "I think that "Gene-man" theory may explain a triality of generations and - when properly scaled (via S-Duality?) - may also explain a triality of color"

I'm glad to see that you received a lot more exposure in this contest than you did in the last one.

Have Fun!

Dr. Cosmic Ray

Congratulations Ray!

I am pleased that your 'resolution of the continuous/discrete dilemma through scales' made it into 'manifestation' for the panel to 'measure'. Funny! How even in 'real life' (compared to the life of a theoretical physicist) we have "continuous accumulation of energy before discrete (say about 35!) manifestation". We are closer than we think! And that's why the conversation must continue!

Ready for the next round? I do mean for you to measure the true meaning of what I mean. Let's start with Planck's Law is a mathematical identity! Your favorite misunderstanding!

Wish you well with the judgment!

Constantinos

You make me crazzy really dear Maverick

Regards

ps Cantor has made a big error when he has inserted an explaination for the unknown via the physicality. The reals are determinsitics. Cantor was false Dr Cosmic Ray.

Steve.

Masterfully done, Mr. Munroe. A quantum orthodox for some tastes, nevertheless...

The 'witchdoctor'.

lmao

Hi Constantinos,

I think I understand your ideas better than most. IMHO, there is a question about the "fundamentality" of Planck's Blackbody Radiation Law.

In his essay, Sreenath declared that effect is more fundamental than cause (suggesting that a bottom-up reality is most real) because we measure data (effect) and deduce theory (cause). If this is your perspective, then Planck (and you) are 100% correct - end of story.

BUT, I am also a fan of top-down reality - that IF our theories are correctly modeled and interpreted that we will be able to predict all experimental data. We don't have a single theory (a TOE) that can accomplish all of this, so the theories are currently "fragmented" in the sense that Quantum and Relativity seem so fundamentally different that we can never unite them, Bosons and Fermions seem so fundamentally different that we can never unite them, etc.

Planck's Blackbody Radiation Law CAN NEVER explain fermions. However, if we reframe the "fundamentals" of our theories such that the Partition Functions for Bose, Fermi, and Maxwell spin statistics are considered "fundamental", then these Partition Functions naturally lead to these 3 major spin statistics, and build a framework capable of describing bosons (and Planck's Blackbody Radiation Law to any desired accuracy), fermions, or identical particles. By the way, your Properties of Exponential Functions assumes the Bose Partition Function.

I hope that you see my point - I really can't explain it any better without sitting together with you over some beers.

Congratulations on making the top 35 and Have Fun!

Dr. Cosmic Ray

Dear Tommy,

Thank You! I think we have similar ideas on Consciousness - perhaps we should bounce them around some.

Have Fun!

Dr. Cosmic Ray

Dear Ray,

Congrats for entering in to the last 35 and in sight of an honourable prize.Your essay really deserved that because I saw thro' your essay your indepth knowledge and wisdom.

sincerely

Sreenath.

Dear Sreenath,

Thank You! I tried to stir up interest in your essay - I know that you did not make the latest cut, but hopefully you established some good friendships and contacts in this contest.

Sincerely, Ray