Scales Solve the Continuous vs. Discrete Paradox by Ray B Munroe

Hi Peter,

I commented more on your essay at your blog site. I think that your idea is a wandering of photons within S^3 that are statistically guided by the Principle of Least Action. My ideas incorporate qubits of strings perfectly well.

Have Fun!

Dr. Cosmic Ray

Ray,

I posted a followup to your post in my forum that you might find interestiing.

Tom

Thanks, Tom!

I posted a response in your forum.

Ray,

Good news on the C-field front!

The 12 Mar 2011 issue of 'Science News' has two articles on the C-field:

The first (p.14) states that the C-field generated by a spinning Black Hole imparts (detectable) angular momentum to light passing through the field, circularly polarizing the light. Martin Bojowald suggests upgrading most telescopes to search for more of this.

The second article (p.20) on quantum vortices has Kerson Huang of MIT speculating that the vortices in the (C-field) 'superfluid' after the big bang may be responsible for the gaps of empty space between galaxies.

From 'Fly-by' mysteries to spinning Black Holes to the Big Bang, the C-field is being recognized as having physical reality responsible for observable effects.

Edwin Eugene Klingman

Hi Ed,

I'm glad that these ideas may reinforce your GEM-like concepts. Please don't misunderstand me - I think that "Gene-man" theory may explain a triality of generations and - when properly scaled (via S-Duality?) - may also explain a triality of color, but I think there is more to a TOE than the E, B, G and C fields and four particles. "Gene-man" theory may still be a good place to start...

I finally put together a paper model of my lattice-like torus with Buckyball symmetries, and this could possibly explain spinning Black Hole phenomena. Regarding the "fly-by" mysteries, Rafael Castel had a simple suggestion that only involves General Relativity.

Short of an unexpected ambush, it looks like our essays should make the top 35.

Good Luck & Have Fun!

Dr. Cosmic Ray

Ray,

I've enjoyed all of our exchanges, and, as I've said, you are a true gentleman and a good man. You may have missed a statement in one of my last comments to the effect that I retract my rejection of multiple scales, as I have identified another aspect of my theory that is probably best conceptualized in terms of scale. I look forward in the future to discussing this with you.

Congratulations on your placement. Now we'll see what the judges make of us.

Your friend,

Edwin Eugene Klingman

Hi Ed,

You said "You may have missed a statement in one of my last comments to the effect that I retract my rejection of multiple scales, as I have identified another aspect of my theory that is probably best conceptualized in terms of scales".

I agree, which is why I said "I think that "Gene-man" theory may explain a triality of generations and - when properly scaled (via S-Duality?) - may also explain a triality of color"

I'm glad to see that you received a lot more exposure in this contest than you did in the last one.

Have Fun!

Dr. Cosmic Ray

Congratulations Ray!

I am pleased that your 'resolution of the continuous/discrete dilemma through scales' made it into 'manifestation' for the panel to 'measure'. Funny! How even in 'real life' (compared to the life of a theoretical physicist) we have "continuous accumulation of energy before discrete (say about 35!) manifestation". We are closer than we think! And that's why the conversation must continue!

Ready for the next round? I do mean for you to measure the true meaning of what I mean. Let's start with Planck's Law is a mathematical identity! Your favorite misunderstanding!

Wish you well with the judgment!

Constantinos

You make me crazzy really dear Maverick

Regards

ps Cantor has made a big error when he has inserted an explaination for the unknown via the physicality. The reals are determinsitics. Cantor was false Dr Cosmic Ray.

Steve.

Masterfully done, Mr. Munroe. A quantum orthodox for some tastes, nevertheless...

The 'witchdoctor'.

lmao

Dear Tommy,

Thank You! I think we have similar ideas on Consciousness - perhaps we should bounce them around some.

Have Fun!

Dr. Cosmic Ray

Dear Ray,

Congrats for entering in to the last 35 and in sight of an honourable prize.Your essay really deserved that because I saw thro' your essay your indepth knowledge and wisdom.

sincerely

Sreenath.

Dear Sreenath,

Thank You! I tried to stir up interest in your essay - I know that you did not make the latest cut, but hopefully you established some good friendships and contacts in this contest.

Sincerely, Ray

Congratulations Ray,

Good to see you got into the finals again. Happy to be in the same shoes myself. But seeing how we were both near the top of the list of finalists last year, and failed to be awarded prizes, I can see being near the bottom of the cut this time making it more likely the judges will elevate our relative standing.

Good Luck!

Jonathan

Thank You, Jonathan!

And Congratulations to you as well.

When we finished #3 and #5 in the last contest, I was certain that we would have both been in the final 18 (but we weren't). Now my perspective is that we each have about a 50% chance - 18 or 20 winners out of 35 or 37 finalists.

It's been a fun run!

Dr. Cosmic Ray

Dear Ray,

Congratulations on your dedication to the competition and your much deserved top 35 placing. I have a bugging question for you, which I've also posed to all the potential prize winners btw:

Q: Coulomb's Law of electrostatics was modelled by Maxwell by mechanical means after his mathematical deductions as an added verification (thanks for that bit of info Edwin), which I highly admire. To me, this gives his equation some substance. I have a problem with the laws of gravity though, especially the mathematical representation that "every object attracts every other object equally in all directions." The 'fabric' of spacetime model of gravity doesn't lend itself to explain the law of electrostatics. Coulomb's law denotes two types of matter, one 'charged' positive and the opposite type 'charged' negative. An Archimedes screw model for the graviton can explain -both- the gravity law and the electrostatic law, whilst the 'fabric' of spacetime can't. Doesn't this by definition make the helical screw model better than than anything else that has been suggested for the mechanism of the gravity force?? Otherwise the unification of all the forces is an impossiblity imo. Do you have an opinion on my analysis at all?

Best wishes,

Alan

Hi Alan,

I think this question ultimately reverts back to the question "Is Nature fundamentally Discrete or Continuous?"

I said that Reality is an effectively an intertwined "twistor-like" hybrid of both. This permits wave-particle duality, and permits us to observe "continuous realities" such as fields that are modeled as if they are continuous "ad infinitum" (as Cristi Stoica claimed), as well as "discrete realities" such as electric charges that are modeled as if they are non-divisible quanta. I liked Cristi's presentation, but I asked him to define "continuous ad infinitum" if infinity cannot exist in a finite Observable Universe (13.7 billion light years is a very large size, but it isn't infinite). The reality is that these "continuous fields" probably break down somewhere around the 10^-31 cm scale, and this is where the spacetime lattice model is required for a proper understanding of the Black Hole "singularity" (it may also be related to the Dirac Sea and Constantin Leshan's Quantum Vacuum Hole).

Ed and I traded books, and have been discussing each other's ideas since the last essay contest. I like his GEM-like ideas and agree that this could represent part of the continuous nature of reality. As a particle physicist myself, I think he is "off-base" with regard to his claim of 4 fundamental particles, but I'm also tired of arguing a point that I consider obvious. I think that Ed's model has a single triality, and therefore requires scales and S-duality to explain the two required trialities in his model: Color (he doesn't have a QCD field), and Generations (similar to Garrett Lisi's triality of generations).

I like your helical screw idea. Perhaps there is a mixing of transverse and longitudinal waves (that implies an effective mass) that includes the properties of scales. Recall that electromagnetism is ~10^40 times stronger than gravity - and this requires a scale. Ed Klingman's 10^60 also requires a scale, and I think that he has improperly modeled 10^120~(10^60)^2 rather than 10^120~(10^40)^3. Effectively, this requires your screw threads to be logarithmic - finer threads for weaker forces such as gravity and courser threads for stronger forces such as electromagnetism. In this sense, the threads for gravity may be so fine (outside of a Black Hole) that they seem to be stripped out.

I think that the unification of forces requires scales - which is why I dedicated this essay to scales and how they explain the continuous and discrete natures of relaity.

Have Fun!

Dr. Cosmic Ray

Hi Alan,

Thanks for the Congratulations.

I see that you left this message in several forums. My previous answer involved scales moreso than screws, but I thought that I should explore more details about your Archimedes screw.

I think that there are details that have been largely overlooked here. First, there is the "pitch" of a screw thread. In the US, most of our screws are pitched such that we turn "right to tighten, or left to loosen", but screws with the opposite pitch can also be manufactured. About 20 years ago, many propane gas cylinder tanks had opposite threads - I guess that the assumption was that you would try to "turn left to loosen", but always tighten instead - until you read all of the safety directions and realized that you didn't know what you were doing. They have since changed propane gas cyclinder threads back to the standard pitch - I guess that you don't want people to accidently loosen a tank while they thought they were tightening it.

Conclusion - By changing the pitch of an Archimedes' screw, you can make it attractive or repulsive.

Another detail is the rotation of the screw. It should be obvious that if we change the rotation of a screw - say from Clockwise to Counter-clockwise, then the direction of the force induced by the Archimedes' screw changes.

Conclusion - By changing the rotation of an Archimedes' screw, you can make it attractive or repulsive.

I think that all of these ideas may tie into CPT symmetry. Perhaps handedness (parity) and antimatter (charge) (4 different permutations) are related to these concepts of pitch and rotation (also 4 different permutations).

Personally, I have no problem modeling a Field line or a String with an Archimedes' screw (with variable thread spacing), but realize that the resultant force could be attractive or repulsive - as is electrostatics.

Now we need to explain why gravity is strictly attractive. Is there more to gravity (say within a Black Hole or in a scale of greater complexergy) such as Quantum Gravity, Holographic Gravity, my WIMP-Gravity (see my book), or Edwin Klingman's GEM Gravity? And we only observe the attractive side? Or is this tied into CPT symmetry such that attractive gravity moves forward in time, and repulsive gravity moves backwards in time (which would look attractive and forward)? I don't know...

I think there is enough that we truly don't understand about the origins of mass and gravity that we shouldn't get too overconfident in our models.

Have Fun!

Dr. Cosmic Ray

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Looking forward to hearing from you.

Regards

Sreenath.