Scales Solve the Continuous vs. Discrete Paradox by Ray B Munroe

Congratulations Ray!

I am pleased that your 'resolution of the continuous/discrete dilemma through scales' made it into 'manifestation' for the panel to 'measure'. Funny! How even in 'real life' (compared to the life of a theoretical physicist) we have "continuous accumulation of energy before discrete (say about 35!) manifestation". We are closer than we think! And that's why the conversation must continue!

Ready for the next round? I do mean for you to measure the true meaning of what I mean. Let's start with Planck's Law is a mathematical identity! Your favorite misunderstanding!

Wish you well with the judgment!

Constantinos

You make me crazzy really dear Maverick

Regards

ps Cantor has made a big error when he has inserted an explaination for the unknown via the physicality. The reals are determinsitics. Cantor was false Dr Cosmic Ray.

Steve.

Masterfully done, Mr. Munroe. A quantum orthodox for some tastes, nevertheless...

The 'witchdoctor'.

lmao

Hi Constantinos,

I think I understand your ideas better than most. IMHO, there is a question about the "fundamentality" of Planck's Blackbody Radiation Law.

In his essay, Sreenath declared that effect is more fundamental than cause (suggesting that a bottom-up reality is most real) because we measure data (effect) and deduce theory (cause). If this is your perspective, then Planck (and you) are 100% correct - end of story.

BUT, I am also a fan of top-down reality - that IF our theories are correctly modeled and interpreted that we will be able to predict all experimental data. We don't have a single theory (a TOE) that can accomplish all of this, so the theories are currently "fragmented" in the sense that Quantum and Relativity seem so fundamentally different that we can never unite them, Bosons and Fermions seem so fundamentally different that we can never unite them, etc.

Planck's Blackbody Radiation Law CAN NEVER explain fermions. However, if we reframe the "fundamentals" of our theories such that the Partition Functions for Bose, Fermi, and Maxwell spin statistics are considered "fundamental", then these Partition Functions naturally lead to these 3 major spin statistics, and build a framework capable of describing bosons (and Planck's Blackbody Radiation Law to any desired accuracy), fermions, or identical particles. By the way, your Properties of Exponential Functions assumes the Bose Partition Function.

I hope that you see my point - I really can't explain it any better without sitting together with you over some beers.

Congratulations on making the top 35 and Have Fun!

Dr. Cosmic Ray

Dear Tommy,

Thank You! I think we have similar ideas on Consciousness - perhaps we should bounce them around some.

Have Fun!

Dr. Cosmic Ray

Dear Ray,

Congrats for entering in to the last 35 and in sight of an honourable prize.Your essay really deserved that because I saw thro' your essay your indepth knowledge and wisdom.

sincerely

Sreenath.

Dear Sreenath,

Thank You! I tried to stir up interest in your essay - I know that you did not make the latest cut, but hopefully you established some good friendships and contacts in this contest.

Sincerely, Ray

Congratulations Ray,

Good to see you got into the finals again. Happy to be in the same shoes myself. But seeing how we were both near the top of the list of finalists last year, and failed to be awarded prizes, I can see being near the bottom of the cut this time making it more likely the judges will elevate our relative standing.

Good Luck!

Jonathan

Thank You, Jonathan!

And Congratulations to you as well.

When we finished #3 and #5 in the last contest, I was certain that we would have both been in the final 18 (but we weren't). Now my perspective is that we each have about a 50% chance - 18 or 20 winners out of 35 or 37 finalists.

It's been a fun run!

Dr. Cosmic Ray

Dear Ray,

Congratulations on your dedication to the competition and your much deserved top 35 placing. I have a bugging question for you, which I've also posed to all the potential prize winners btw:

Q: Coulomb's Law of electrostatics was modelled by Maxwell by mechanical means after his mathematical deductions as an added verification (thanks for that bit of info Edwin), which I highly admire. To me, this gives his equation some substance. I have a problem with the laws of gravity though, especially the mathematical representation that "every object attracts every other object equally in all directions." The 'fabric' of spacetime model of gravity doesn't lend itself to explain the law of electrostatics. Coulomb's law denotes two types of matter, one 'charged' positive and the opposite type 'charged' negative. An Archimedes screw model for the graviton can explain -both- the gravity law and the electrostatic law, whilst the 'fabric' of spacetime can't. Doesn't this by definition make the helical screw model better than than anything else that has been suggested for the mechanism of the gravity force?? Otherwise the unification of all the forces is an impossiblity imo. Do you have an opinion on my analysis at all?

Best wishes,

Alan

Hi Alan,

Thanks for the Congratulations.

I see that you left this message in several forums. My previous answer involved scales moreso than screws, but I thought that I should explore more details about your Archimedes screw.

I think that there are details that have been largely overlooked here. First, there is the "pitch" of a screw thread. In the US, most of our screws are pitched such that we turn "right to tighten, or left to loosen", but screws with the opposite pitch can also be manufactured. About 20 years ago, many propane gas cylinder tanks had opposite threads - I guess that the assumption was that you would try to "turn left to loosen", but always tighten instead - until you read all of the safety directions and realized that you didn't know what you were doing. They have since changed propane gas cyclinder threads back to the standard pitch - I guess that you don't want people to accidently loosen a tank while they thought they were tightening it.

Conclusion - By changing the pitch of an Archimedes' screw, you can make it attractive or repulsive.

Another detail is the rotation of the screw. It should be obvious that if we change the rotation of a screw - say from Clockwise to Counter-clockwise, then the direction of the force induced by the Archimedes' screw changes.

Conclusion - By changing the rotation of an Archimedes' screw, you can make it attractive or repulsive.

I think that all of these ideas may tie into CPT symmetry. Perhaps handedness (parity) and antimatter (charge) (4 different permutations) are related to these concepts of pitch and rotation (also 4 different permutations).

Personally, I have no problem modeling a Field line or a String with an Archimedes' screw (with variable thread spacing), but realize that the resultant force could be attractive or repulsive - as is electrostatics.

Now we need to explain why gravity is strictly attractive. Is there more to gravity (say within a Black Hole or in a scale of greater complexergy) such as Quantum Gravity, Holographic Gravity, my WIMP-Gravity (see my book), or Edwin Klingman's GEM Gravity? And we only observe the attractive side? Or is this tied into CPT symmetry such that attractive gravity moves forward in time, and repulsive gravity moves backwards in time (which would look attractive and forward)? I don't know...

I think there is enough that we truly don't understand about the origins of mass and gravity that we shouldn't get too overconfident in our models.

Have Fun!

Dr. Cosmic Ray

Dear Dr. Ray,

Thanks for your kind cooperation.Now,if you have time,I would be glad if you visit my web-site 'http://www.sreenath.webs.com' and read it throughly with all your patience.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Regards

Sreenath.

Dear Sreenath,

Thank you for the invitation and reminder. My wife and daughter are going to the beach for spring break (but I'm in town working!} so I should have some time over the next couple of days.

Have Fun!

Dear Alan,

One more thought that may be significant:

Earlier, I mentioned that the Archimedes' screw needs an effective mass and longitudinal degrees-of-freedom similar to a Z boson in order to physically represent the concept of screw threads.

Photons are expected to have zero rest mass so that they can have a pure inverse-distance-squared dependance - so where is the effective mass? This may require mass-energy correspondance such that photons have an effective mass given by E = mc^2 = hf.

Have Fun!

Dr. Cosmic Ray

Hello Ray,

Pleased to continue our discussion re: Planck's Law. Hope we can at least come to some clear understanding of our differences, even if we do not reach agreement. To that end, I will try to keep to single simple points and ask for your confirmation/denial as you understand this.

The basic difference between our position is that your think of Planck's Law as some Law of Physics (dependent on how nature behaves) while in my essay I show that Planck's Law is really a mathematical identity (much like the Pythagorean Theorem).

My side of this argument:

Planck's Law is a mathematical identity between the value of the quantity E0, the change ΔE of that quantity over the interval [0,t] and the average value Eav of that quantity over the same interval [0,t]. If we were to apply this mathematical identity to blackbody radiation where E0 is the 'intensity of energy' and ΔE = hν is the 'energy manifested' ('absorbed' by the 'sensor') at Eav = kT, we will get Planck's Law as is known in Physics.

I provide several different ways of getting to this result. Including using a simple mathematical identity, an 'exponential of energy' (which I can now derive independently - see my post "What is the Matter with de Broglie Waves?" ) and well accepted results in Physics that Eav = kT and h is the minimal 'accumulation of energy' that can be manifested (these I can also argue for independently - in fact I show that Planck's constant h is the 'accumulation of energy' that is associated with Kelvin temperature! That explains its 'existence'!)

I'll stop here and let you respond to JUST this point. More to follow ...

Constantinos

Hi Constantinos,

My concern is that Planck's Law cannot explain Fermions, and therefore, you have made an assumption at some point in the game (I think it is your Properties of Exponentials) that was not general enough to be considered "Universal".

My wife and daughter are at the beach for spring break, and I'm at work (and home alone - except for 3 dogs and 3 birds). As such, I was catching up on cutting up some soccer balls (I already cut up two - I might need to add four more...). It takes time to sort through mathematics looking for a flawed assumption, so it may take a few days to give you a proper answer.

Have Fun!

Dr. Cosmic Ray

Ray,

Cutting up soccer balls is easy! What you will not be able to cut up are my mathematical derivations! Not because they are mine! But because they are just too simple!

Constantinos

Hi Constantinos,

Lucky for you! I'm awake at 3am! I read this latest version of De Broglie waves, and saw a couple of potential problems:

Page 1 - I am concerned about your definition of Temperature - eta/tau makes a strange average - you might rather need the integral average over tau of d(eta).

Page 3 - The Exponential of Energy E(t) = E_0 e^nu*t

I don't think that this is the most general possible solution. This solution accidentally assumes the Bose Partition function - which is perfect for photons, but doesn't apply to fermions. If the exponential had an imaginary phase, then we know that we would need a more general solution, such as E(t) = E_0 cos(nu*t) F_0 sin(nu*t). I think that you also need an exponential decaying function, something of the form:

E(t) = E_0 e^nu*t F_0 e^(-nu*t)

I'm not overthrowing everything in your paper. There are some interesting ideas here. I'm not sure that someone else hasn't come up with something similar before. As I said previously, your Exponential of Energy treatment bears significant similarities with Bose's assumptions from the 1920's.

Have Fun!

Dr. Cosmic Ray

p.s. - I guess the point is that a first order differential equation has one constant of integration, whereas a second order differential equation has two constants of integration. It isn't obvious to me from your use of delta(eta) whether you should have one or two constants of integration, but I know that your exponential solution can only yield boson results, not fermion results, so I'm pretty sure that something is missing.