Dear Cristi
I made a little mistake. In the first paragraph of my last replied I wrote:
...I am not filling nothing.
The correct is: I am not filling anything.
Sorry
Israel
Dear Cristi
I made a little mistake. In the first paragraph of my last replied I wrote:
...I am not filling nothing.
The correct is: I am not filling anything.
Sorry
Israel
Dear Eckard
I agree with your first paragraph. As to the second one concerning aether and field, I can say the following:
Maxwell had a Newtonian notion of space, he believed that space existed as a vessel or container for bodies, and independent of them. Therefore, he also believed that the aether was filling space. In this sense space was for him something with no material properties. This belief can be still found today. Some physicists believe that space exists (or a background) and they fill it with the Higgs field or any other, gravitational, electromagnetic, etc., certainly the context is quite different but the idea is almost the same. In contrast, I am saying that the aether, the vacuum, the space, the ubiquitous field are the same thing. I am not filling anything. The notion of field that I have in mind is just a state of that subtle matter in the sense of Maxwell and some of this kind. On the other hand, currently most physicists think of a field as a quantity that varies in space and time and carries momentum and energy but above all with independent reality of matter (of the standard model), space and time. This notion is the legacy of mainly Oliver Heaviside and Einstein.
On the other hand, I have read your essay. I can see we have some points in common, particularly, what you mentioned in a previous post about the idea of adimensional points. As I told sometimes these things become a prejudice quite hard to get rid of it. I also agree with the idea of the infinite quantities, this is a problem that dates back to Aristotle and it has not been appropriately solved. I think your work emphasizes theses issues that I am sure it could shed light on the nature of numbers, points, etc. In fact, I have been studying the problem of infinite quantities, you may be interested in seeing the surreal numbers, that apparently solve the seven indeterminacies and say something about the division by zero.
Best Regards
Israel
Dear Rodney
Thank you for your comments. I would like to say something about them.
[In relation to Dark Energy] Based on the Newtonian theory of gravitation, the gravitational force is considered to be attractive. Based on General relativity there is no gravitational force but a curvature of space-time. And if one bases one's arguments on other theories, one will probably conclude that the gravitational force is in reality neither a force nor a deformation of space-time but a flow around the earth (see the World of Descartes), or any other thing. Thus, if Dark energy or the gravitational force are attractive or repulsive, that would depend on the theory one uses. I assume you are basing your arguments on General relativity and quantum mechanics.
As to time travel, first of all, I would like to know the onthological notion of time you have. Once one has a notion of time one can discuss if time travel is possible or not. I have exposed my notion in my essay and I have given some reasons to you why time travel is not possible. But I have not seen your notion with your own words. You quoted what others say. Please tell me in some sentences what you understand by time.
Kind Regards
Israel
Dear Israel,
Let me briefly add something concerning my understanding of the notion field. What about your comment on my essay, I will reply there as to just once answer questions, which others might share with you.
To me a stationary electric field as well as a magnetic field can either attract or repel. I am in position of switching them on or off at will. Gravity is also stationary but always attracting at least on earth. I see abundant indications conforming my suspicion that negative energy, backward causation and the like go back to unjustified generalization of mathematical results. Electromagnetic fields are also peculiar: They propagate always forward even if they appear as standing waves for instance due to repeated reflection from end to end in a waveguide. In all, I see various possible fields that can fill what you seem to understand as the field. Correct?
Is it a too naive shot of mine in the dark to consider the electromagnetic result of all actually superimposed photon fields their own aether?
Regards,
Eckard
Hi to both of you,
Dear Rodney,
Are you serious??? The relativity never says that it's possible to travel in time.The concept of space time is a concept of evolution, relativistic.
The only thing you can, is the check of the internal duration of your motion system,we can thus go in theory in the future but we can't return at home.Thus why??? Furthermore the technology is so not possible and useless.
The past can be seen only by interpretations of our datas and analyzes,we see our past in the stars, there also it's just a problem of human evolution, we are indeed young at the universal scale.
I understand your confusions just in seeing your methods.You use too much theories without real phsyical senses.The multiverses, the strings,the reversibilities of time.....all that is false and implies, thus in your line of reasoning, many confusions as this time travel.The rationality is the sister of our foundamentals. Our constants are our constants!!!
Best Regards and good luck for the contest.
Steve
Dear Eckard
I am sorry but I am afraid that I did not understand well what you mean in your first paragraph. Could you be please more clear and explicit.
As for the second. I recommend that you read the below attached papers. C. Christov exposes from a different perspective how particles and fields can be unified in a simple and conceptual theory (solitons). He also explains what a charge is within this context and gives a better account of what this ubiquitous field is. I believe that this will give you a wider idea of what I understand by such field.
With respect to the propagation of electromagnetic fields, very recent studies show that they do not always propagate forward. This forward propagation only occurs in the radiation zone. Budko has shown experimentally and theoretically that in the near and intermediate zones fields propagates inwards. Please take a look of his paper.
As for your last question, I am not sure if I understand it well. But if I do, I might say that the aether was the medium for the propagation of waves, just like air is the medium for the propagation of sound.So there is no problem if waves superposed this is allowed by the theory no matter if the aether exists or not. If you think of photons this is the quantum version of a wave, but the principle of superposition also applies. Please do not get confused, the aether was the medium, i.e., the substance that filled empty space... with this idea in mind, today people think similarly, space is empty and they fill space with fields (electromagnetic, gravitational)... this is why I say that the aether is the field, but it is only one that causes the electromagnetic and gravitational effects.
Kind Regards
IsraelAttachment #1: 1996CChristov_WorldScientPub_Proc_Discrete_out_of_Continuous.pdfAttachment #2: 2009NVBudko_PhysRevLett_102_020401_ObservationNegativeVelocity.pdf
Hi Steve
I think that your previous post was aimed to Rodney, am I right?
best regards
Israel
Hi Israel,
Indeed, sorry.
Good luck for this contest, a beautiful essay,
Best Regards
Steve
Dear Israel and Steve,
First, what I understand by time. Space and time only exist in our experience. They are emergent properties, like wetness and mind. We experience wetness because it emerges from the building blocks of the hydrogen and oxygen atoms which make up water. We experience mind because it emerges from the building blocks of neurons composing the brain. And we experience space-time since it emerges from the building blocks making up the universe. These units are a combination of electromagnetic pulses (forming a cosmic computer which includes randomness and thus the potential to escape rigid preprogramming, and have a small degree of free will) as well as a cosmic hologram (this combination unifies general relativity with quantum physics). Every physical and nonphysical part of the universal hologram would be a receptor for the downloading of data from the cosmic computer which not only exists in the hyperspace of the large-scale universe but also in the hyperspace of each subatomic particle. (In other words, the holographic universe or spacetime we know is a screen for invisibly displaying data from the 5th-dimensional computer).
Steve, it might be helpful to visualise time as a CD or video tape. The entire disc or tape obviously exists all the time. But our physical senses can only perceive a tiny part of the sound and the sights. I believe space and time are infinite, so it might be more accurate to visualise time as that huge number - in this case, of CDs or tapes - which some versions of string theory propose (at a minimum, 10 exponent 500). My essay tells you how to travel to the future, how to return home, and how to travel into our past. I believe relativity suggests the possibility of time travel - but even if it doesn't, we can go far beyond it (and far beyond today's very limited technology).
Now back to your reasons why time travel is not possible, Israel.
First, "one should have to explain the grandfather paradox."
The solution to the grandfather paradox is - instantly directing matter, energy and forces anywhere in the universe at any point in the past, present or future; the hyperspatial computer would be a spaceless and timeless basic reality from which space-time would emerge (since the universe is a unification possessing zero separation; every bit of the matter, energy and force directed by the hyperspace computer would feed back into the computer and be simultaneously directing IT, ensuring that history and the future could never be changed and the "grandfather paradox" is no problem after all).
"If time were a line we would have observed travelers from the future."
I can't say I know the answer to this one, but I can think of 3 possibilities - 1) maybe they have used synthetic biology to develop ghostly, non-physical bodies.
2) it's possible that every person we see is ultimately from the future, though they'd be totally unaware of it. They'd be unconscious of their true place in this eternal universe since their job is to contribute, in whatever way they can, to development of the fantastic future awaiting everyone. They'd be less inclined to build the future if they had awareness of it already existing.
3) maybe they are dark tourists who resemble dark matter by remaining invisible yet are capable of exerting gravitational, or other, influence. My essay suggests the universe is a Mobius loop and is contained in, or unified with, each of its particles (relying on physical senses or 21st-century scientific instruments would make this statement ridiculous). Then each fermion and boson would also be composed of the 3 spatial dimensions, the 4th dimension of time, and the 5th dimension of hyperspace. Detectors like the Large Hadron Collider would be unable to "see" the time and hyperspace components of particles, erroneously assuming particles are what physics calls strings. But just as dark matter could be ordinary matter whose 3 space dimensions are invisible to us, dark tourists from the future might have discovered a way for only their 4th and 5th dimensions to enter the world we perceive (similar to a 3D circle appearing to be a dot when it first enters the 2D world of Flatland - the examination of dimensions in the 1884 book by Edwin Abbott).
Dear Israel,
I thought that I had replied to this thread, but I do not see it so I'll try again.
I suspect you are right that we are merely talking about the same thing with different names. I see reality as a field that distributed energy over all space and concentrates energy is locations we call matter, particularly mass. You could therefore say, I suppose, that the field is a form of matter.
I do not know what preceded the field, so I do not speak of emptiness and do not have a conception of 'no motion'. I agree that 'explosion' is not a good word, but I do think that the Big Bang followed by inflation is the best way I've found to explain today's universe, so that's what I'm stuck with. I have tried, but I simply can't get my mind to grasp an 'always existing' universe with no beginning and no end. I understand the words, just as I understand the word infinity, but I can't make these words real to me. As I said, I don't know what was "before" the Big Bang, and I don't think we can know. I definitely don't believe in 'bouncing universes'. It makes more sense to me that time came into existence with our universe, so the question is not appropriate.
I'm still confused about your item 17, and your comments about it. As I see it, the gravitational field 'fills' space, in that there is no space that does not 'contain' gravity, and hence energy. I believe that the C-field (The Maxwell-Einstein gravito-magnetic field) is 31 orders of magnitude stronger than their simple derivation argued for, as Martin Tajmar and others seem to have measured, as as I have calculated, based on reasonable[?] assumptions. In this case there is more 'dark matter' from the stronger field, and also an inflationary effect due to the fact that the Lorentz force in such a field can produce an effect that is opposite to the local gravity.
Isn't it amazing that two people who think that they may be in agreement still have trouble deciding. [Except that we probably don't agree on the 'everlasting' universe...]
Edwin Eugene Klingman
Cristi,
In general I agree with your discussion of 'circular reasoning' about what 'fills space'. But in my earlier essay Fundamental Physics of Consciousness I asked, Upon what must a fundamental theory of physics be based?
"This question, if asked of humans, should be formulated in terms of human reality, not abstract formuč¶³lations. Either it is based on directly and immediately sensed reality or it is based on some abstraction that is claimed to represent reality. Current theories are based on physics abstractions such as:
Gravity, String theories, Electromagnetics, Quantum field theories, Strong and weak forces, Dark matter and energy, Extra dimensions, Extra universes, Consciousness
Of these, only two, gravity and consciousness, are immediately sensible and directly experienced by humans. I am directly aware of gravity and I am directly aware that I am conscious. I have no direct, immediate, awareness of any other physics on the list (with the exception of a small range of electromagnetic radiation)."
For this reason, that of direct perception, I move gravity from the 'abstract' level, which must in turn be justified, as you say, by a 'lower abstraction' (in the sense of a 'more fundamental' abstraction.)
This seems to me to me reasonable, and I employ this logic in my essays.
Thanks for the stimulating conversations.
Edwin Eugene Klingman
Hi again,
I had a lot of trouble writing down an answer to what I understand by time. I think I might be able to do better than I did yesterday. So here's the last third of something I spent today writing.
My essay suggests the universe is a Mobius loop and is contained in, or unified with, each of its particles (relying on physical senses or 21st-century scientific instruments would make this statement ridiculous). Then each fermion and boson would also be composed of the 3 spatial dimensions, the 4th dimension of time, and the 5th dimension of hyperspace. Detectors like the Large Hadron Collider would be unable to "see" the time and hyperspace components of particles but could only see the small (maybe 5%) 3 spatial dimensions (the time and hyperspace components would be what we call dark matter), erroneously assuming particles are those tiny fractions of a Mobius loop that physics calls strings. We can visualise the Mobius loop as composed of a hyperspace computer which generates information on how things change from one undetectably tiny fraction of a second to the next (we call this time, and it's comparable to the frames in a movie) and transmits the data (transmits dark energy?) to the insignificant portion of length, width and depth that makes up subatomic particles ... and the universe.
Preceding the Big Bang (which created this local section of the infinite, eternal universe ... or if you prefer, this subuniverse of the megauniverse) there would have been no space, matter or time in this subuniverse and all would have been hyperspace. No transmissions of dark energy (creating time and space/matter) would have occurred - therefore the dark-energy content of the universe would have been zero, increasing to the present 72% as more and more matter was created. How is matter created? Perhaps as cosmologist Alan Guth once suggested -
"You might even be able to start a new universe using energy equivalent to just a few pounds of matter. Provided you could find some way to compress it to a density of about 10^75 (10 exponent 75) grams per cubic centimeter, and provided you could trigger the thing ..."
At the time the Cosmic Microwave Background was emitted (less than a million years after the big bang), results from the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe say the dark-energy content of the universe was negligible. Space/matter has been increasing since the big bang so transmissions from hyperspace (dark energy) which create them are increasing while the volume of the Mobius loop occupied by time/hyperspace (dark matter) has been shrinking as a result - according to the WMAP satellite, from 63% when the CMB was emitted to 23% today.
Regarding travel beyond our start and into the past ... it can't be denied that these paragraphs imply the possibility of humans from the distant future time-travelling to the distant past and using electronics to create this particular subuniverse's computer-generated Big Bang. An accomplishment such as this would be the supreme example of "backward causality" (effects influencing causes) promoted by Yakir Aharonov, John Cramer and others. However, realising that we live in a cosmic-quantum unification with zero-separation and recalling Isaac Newton's inverse-square law and what it says about the force between two particles being infinite (does infinite mean 10 ^ 500? - see previous post) if the distance of separation goes to zero means there's still room for God (as Creator) because God would be a pantheistic union of the megauniverse's material and mental parts, forming a union with humans in a cosmic unification.
Dear Israel,
With pleasure I will try and explain hopefully more understandably my first paragraph. I just am not yet sure what paragraph you are referring to. Do you mean my essay. There the first paragraph is called 1 Realism of analog vs. merely continuous vs. digital modes. If you meant something else, tell me please the first three words.
I looked into Budko's paper and was disappointed. He wrote: "... the main body of the waveform appears to go inwards or back in time". Of course this is not new at all, and I consider it rather misleading to claim: "Budko has shown experimentally and theoretically that in the near and intermediate zones fields propagates inwards." I am fed up with Nimtz.
Regards,
Eckard
Dear Sir,
We congratulate you for the brilliant essay. We fully agree that "Coherence in the physical interpretation" is very important "when we try to decode the mathematical language."
You ask "What experimental evidences support the existence of ten dimensions?" "What powerful epistemological reasons do we have to believe in extra dimensions?" We hold that incorporation of dimensions is not just a mere mathematical artifice. But the term dimension has been misused and interpreted wrongly that leads to the present problem. The term dimension is applied to solids that have fixed spread in a given direction based on their internal arrangement independent of external factors. For relating it to the external fixed coordinates, we use axes that are perpendicular to each other and term these as x-y-z coordinates (length-breadth-height). These are not absolute terms, but are related to the order of placement of the object in the coordinate system of the field in which the object is placed. Thus, they remain invariant under mutual transformation. If we rotate the object so that x-axis changes to y-axis or z-axis, there is no effect on the object. Based on the positive and negative directions from the origin, these describe six unique positions (x,0,0), (-x,0,0), (0,y,0), (0,-y,0), (0,0,z), (0,0,-z), that remain invariant under mutual transformation. Besides these, there are four more unique positions, namely (x,y), (-x,y), (-x,-y) and (x,-y) that also remain invariant under mutual transformation. These are the ten dimensions and not the so-called mathematical structures. These are described in detail in our book "Vaidic Theory of Numbers".
You discuss the statement that "thought is the result of the evolution of the universe and under this premise physical theories are created". We hold that mind functions mechanically and thought is the inertia of mind. Just like inertia takes over after an action and at the similar velocity in a field that gets modified after interaction with other forces, thought starts after an impulse acts on our organs of sensory perception and drawing from our memory field similar previous experiences moves in the same subject that get modified after interaction with other impulses. You come to a conclusion that "there are limits to knowledge", with which we fully agree. Yet, we hold that theory of everything is possible. In fact, we have such a theory.
We agree that "a field is some kind of M in certain state". We also agree that one of the properties of M is mass. But we do not agree that "mass is a source of gravitation and, at the same time, is some kind of energy". We hold the opposite view that gravitation is a composite force that has two functions: structure formation and displacement. We derive electromagnetic field from gravitational force at the micro level and derive gravitational field from the electromagnetic force at the macro level.
We do not agree that space and time are physical entities. We hold that these are mental constructs based on alternative symbolism. Both are related to sequence. Space describes the interval between (or sequence of arrangement of) objects. Time does so for events, i.e., changes in the states of objects. Since intervals are not physical entities by themselves and are not describable by themselves, they are described using the objects as their boundary conditions.
We agree that "that something cannot be created out of nothingness". We also agree that "the universe is, exists, has always been and will exist indefinitely and infinitely", but we disagree that "the universe will never become into nothingness". The term "nothingness" relates to not only its existence, but also its knowability and describability. While the first factor is eternal, the last two are not. To that extent, the universe may become "temporally nothing". We advise you to go through our essay on the subject.
We agree that the whole universe made up of one single entity and there are no arguments to propose dark matter or dark energy, as they are defined at present. Yet, they exist in some other form. We have a detailed model on the creation of the universe and evolution of various forces and fields. We will soon publish those.
basudeba
After reading your posts, I thought perhaps you guys should read my essay Discrete and Continuous Realities According to Fundamental Laws of Nature. I'd be obliged to answer your questions if you have any.
i wonder that the way we have developed our Physics thus far, based on the concepts of space and time, may have some inadequacies! I wonder if these two concepts can isolate multiverses that may well exist. Distortions in space and time are well possible, specially at the start of a new universe like ours. But then has it come out of a Big bang that may well have been an outcome of earlier universes colliding!
Physical constants and space time inhomogeneity may well pose problems. Constants may not be constants for all times and space too. If space can be expanded behind a space ship and compressed in its front, it may well propel the vehicle to exceed the speed limit of 'c'e
Dear Israel,
The paper by Christov is almost unreadable to me because I am unable to flip it into the usual position.
May I ask you once again for telling me what paragraph you were referring to?
Eckard
Dear Eckard
Sorry for my late reply. I was referring to a previous comment of one of your posts above, namely:
Let me briefly add something concerning my understanding of the notion field. What about your comment on my essay, I will reply there as to just once answer questions, which others might share with you.
It is not clear to me what you are referring to.
With respect to Budko, I probably exaggerated my claim, So, I retract from it.
As for the work of Christov, his approach is certainly not easy to grasp at first sight because he is putting forward a new radical paradigm in which the duality of waves and particles no longer exists. Particles are seen as waves (solitons). And most of the traditional notions in physics are reconceptualized. This is the novelty of this theory.
Best Regards
Israel
Dear Basubeda
Thank you very much for your comments, they are very valuable to me. I would like discuss some points and ask a couple of questions.
You: ...These are the ten dimensions and not the so-called mathematical structures. These are described in detail in our book "Vaidic Theory of Numbers".
I agree with you, they are only axes (i.e. mathematical constructs) that help us with the calculations. So, from the mathematical perspective one can argued that in reality there are only 3 dimensions, or 11 dimensions, or infinitely many dimensions. But the important thing here to be emphasized, as you seem to imply, is what we understand by dimension. Certainly, I would like be glad if I have access to your book and see the meaning of dimension.
You: You discuss the statement that "thought is the result of the evolution of the universe and under this premise physical theories are created". We hold that mind functions mechanically and thought is the inertia of mind. Just like inertia takes over after an action and at the similar velocity in a field that gets modified after interaction with other forces, thought starts after an impulse acts on our organs of sensory perception and drawing from our memory field similar previous experiences moves in the same subject that get modified after interaction with other impulses. You come to a conclusion that "there are limits to knowledge", with which we fully agree. Yet, we hold that theory of everything is possible. In fact, we have such a theory.
I: Well, in this paragraph I think you may have misunderstood the meaning of "thought" I wanted to express. What I mean by "thought is the result of the evolution of the universe" is that humans (and therefore, intelligence, mind, thought, imagination, etc.) are the consequences of the evolution of the universe.
In the last sentences you argue that you have a TOE. I am really interested about this, have you published it? can I have the reference? I would appreciate it.
You: But we do not agree that "mass is a source of gravitation and, at the same time, is some kind of energy". We hold the opposite view that gravitation is a composite force that has two functions: structure formation and displacement. We derive electromagnetic field from gravitational force at the micro level and derive gravitational field from the electromagnetic force at the macro level.
I am sorry but I do not understand your arguments. Could you please give a wider explanation. What do you mean by structure formation and displacement? displacement of what? I think that if there were no matter, there would be no mass and therefore no gravitation. If you agree that the field is some kind of matter in certain state then gravitation, seen as an attractive force in the Newtonian sense, finds its source in matter.
You: We do not agree that space and time are physical entities. We hold that these are mental constructs based on alternative symbolism. Both are related to sequence. Space describes the interval between (or sequence of arrangement of) objects. Time does so for events, i.e., changes in the states of objects. Since intervals are not physical entities by themselves and are not describable by themselves, they are described using the objects as their boundary conditions.
I: When you talk about space and time as mental constructs you are talking about the relationalist notion of space and time and therefore its mathematical representation. In this sense I agree with you that space and time are not physical entities. But what I point out in my essay is that the thing that makes up everything is matter, so the thing that mediates between to ponderable objects is what one mathematically calls a distance, length or space interval. But physically the thing in itself that mediates those two objects is also material, what I call in my essay imponderable matter. I hope you get my view. In this sense I may be following the substantialist notion of space. A similar line of reasoning apply for the notion of time. If you only focus your attention in the relation among events you are talking about the relationalist notion of time. When I said that matter in motion (or more generally in change) gives us the notion of time, I may be considering the substantialist notion of time.
You: but we disagree that "the universe will never become into nothingness". The term "nothingness" relates to not only its existence, but also its knowability and describability. While the first factor is eternal, the last two are not. To that extent, the universe may become "temporally nothing". We advise you to go through our essay on the subject.
I have read your interesting essay but I do not catch the connection with "temporally nothing". Could please clarify this point. It seems to me paradoxical that you agree that the universe has always existed and it will be so forever, but you say that the universe in some point in the future will not exist. If someone says "the universe will become into nothingness" what I understand by this is: "the universe will cease to exist". If we do not agree that these sentences are equivalent, we have semantical problems.
You: We have a detailed model on the creation of the universe and evolution of various forces and fields. We will soon publish those.
Please let me know whenever your results are ready.
Good luck in the contest
With kind Regards
Israel
Dear Castel
Thank you for your invitation. I will take a look at your essay, if I have any comment or question I will let you know.
Good luck in the contest
Kind regards
Israel