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Hi Peter,

Have you considered the possibility that the M87 jet consists of gravitationally significant quantities of matter/energy? In other words, yes, the speed of light is invariance, locally. However, the size of the gravitatioanal body determines the relative velocity of light. In other words, the M87 jet is really an extremely gravitationally massive, high velocity fluid. The speed of light is relative to the gravity field that the local invariance occurs within. The velocity of light is relative to the most gravitaionally significant object around.

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Dear Jason,

I enjoyed your paper. I think you made your point regarding Photon Shift Theory. I had a few technical differences:

On page one, you said:

"Virtual photons are the mediators of the electromagnetic force, and permit color charge to operate so that gluons can mediate the strong force. Photons are the first and primary form of energy...", and

"The strong force, which holds protons and neutrons (hadrons) together, is mediated by gluons. Quantum Chromo-dynamics ays that quarks and gluons are composed of fractional charges called color-charge. But fractional color charge is still electric charge; partial electric charges induce partial electric fields which are mediated by virtual photons. While gluons mediate the strong force, virtual photons are the unsung heroes that make color charge available and allow gluons to do their job."

I don't mind you relating photons with the Weak force and with Higgs, because they are all components of Standard Electro-Weak (although a Higgs might travel faster than the speed of light, and Z's and W's travel slower). I might also be OK with similarities between the photon and gravity - since gravity is due to Spacetime curvature that we observe via photons.

However, I think you should drop the photon-gluon comparison. There are implications that weak hypercharge and color charge are related by a simple fraction 3/8's at unification, but color force is stronger than EM, and has a very short range due to color confinement. The colors: Red, Green and Blue are not fractional, but the electric charges of 2/3 e and -1/3 e are fractional. However, if we defined e'=3e, then we would never have fractional electric charges with our current particle spectrum.

On page 3, you mentioned the "Free Energy Universe". Wikipedia calls it the Zero-Energy or Free-Lunch Hypothesis. You and/or your reference are mixing up terminology.

Also on page 3, you asked:

"What is the evidence that the quantum vacuum, also known as empty space, is filled with wave-functions?"

This is very similar to the Dirac Sea that I used in my essay, and to the vacuum expectation value (vev) of the Higgs Mechanism.

I think you should simplify the presentation a little bit (how ironic - I never make my ideas simple enough...), and ask for a research grant.

I see we have more in common than I previously knew - we both dropped out of U Texas (Austin) - but I was there about twenty years before you. I had qualified for the Physics Doctoral program (by completing the core coursework and qualifying seminar), but was too "burnt out" to finish a degree at that time... Years later, I completed my Doctorate at Florda State U.

Good Luck in the Essay Contest!

Dr. Cosmic Ray

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Hi Doctor Ray,

Thank you very much for reading my essay.

I wish I knew how to simplify these ideas. Too much similification, and the spark of insight is lost.

It should be zero energy universe. I wish I could make the change now.

There are two experiments that demonstrate that empty space is filled with wave-functions. First, the Casimir Effect. As two plates are moved together, there are fewer and fewer wave-functions between the plates that can push back the many wave-functions on the outside of the plates. I guess the question becomes: how do I know that wavefunctions can push?

Second, the Lamb Shift attributes a deviation from the expected 2p orbitital to the hydrogen's interaction with the quantum vacuum. Third, when the two slit experiment is performed, one particle (electron or photon) at a time, the particles still form a diffraction pattern. That tells me that the wave-function(s) permeate the whole experiment.

    Hi Jason,

    Please call me Ray.

    I was too vague. I think the parts that I most disagree with are about the color force - I don't think it is directly relevant to your argument about Photon Shift Theory, and I think your color arguments aren't quite correct.

    Everything else is well-presented. I especially like how you reproduced equations from Special Relativity within your theory's assumptions.

    Have Fun!

    Dr. Cosmic Ray

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    Hi Ray,

    I admit that I am no expert in QCD physics. I was referring to the electric charge that sums to 0,+1 or -1 for a neutron, proton or anti-proton. You suggested that I let this point go. It's still related to wave-function "stuff". I'll leave it at that.

    Thank you for noticing my inclusion of redshift within the derivation of special relativity. I still think that photons deserve significantly more emphasis from theoretical physicists. They hold the key to the unification between gravity and quantum mechanics simply because gravitational time dilation and photon frequency are directly connected. Physics has a funny relationship with causality. All too often, if it works in one direction, then it works in both directions. This happens in physics so frequently that we should run experiments just to check. That is the idea of shift photons.

    But human beings are funny creatures. They will laugh and scoff at the very idea that flying saucers, spaceships and aliens might be flying around. Such things destroy what humans call "credibility". Yet, when they are shown the physics of how such things work, human beings will yawn, eyes will glaze over, they will nod and call it creative, but then they won't perform the test until someone works out the Hamiltonian. So, I'm working on the Hamiltonian.

    I'm hoping that someday internet archeologists will discover my essay and, "Wow! What a great idea! Let's try synthesizing shift photons and see if they carry momentum and gravity!" Maybe we'll have star-ships and hyper-drives by the next millenia. What do you think?

    Hi Jason,

    I agree that photons are important, but I think that every U(1) symmetry with a potentially "infinite" range is important - perhaps the Graviton, perhaps a Higgs - but our symmetries are broken such that we haven't been able to easily find those boson quanta.

    Yes - Quarks have fractional electric charges, but not fractional color charges. When I performed the Millikan Oil Drop experiment in college, I got a strange result of q = e/3 (so I was off by a factor of three - I guess there are reasons why I ended up in Theory...), but my Instructor said "Ha, It looks like you found a free quark." I knew he was kidding...

    I'm looking forward to anti-gravity hover cars.

    Have Fun!

    Dr. Cosmic Ray

    Jason,

    It could be that, as you say: "when the two slit experiment is performed, one particle (electron or photon) at a time, the particles still form a diffraction pattern. That tells me that the wave-function(s)permeate the whole experiment."

    Or it could be that each particle is accompanied by a 'pilot wave' as deBroglie, Schrodinger, Einstein, and others insisted, at one time or another, and that this 'local pilot wave' aspect of each particle accounts for the 'particle by particle' creation of a diffraction pattern. If each particle did *not* have an accompanying 'wave' aspect, we would be hard put to explain how the sequential sum yields an interference pattern.

    Therefore, if photons and particles are discrete, and can be identified by a mass or a frequency, they must be accompanied by an aspect of reality that exhibits wave-like properties on a particle by particle basis. Only the C-field provides this physical 'pilot wave' that experiment seems to demand.

    As for 'wave-functions' permeating an experiment that is performed over hundreds of kilometers it depends. If by 'wave-function' you mean a mathematical description of the experiment, OK. But if you mean a "physical" field or phenomena, based on two particles from a common source and extending for kilometers (or light years) then I can't buy that.

    But it's not needed. The local pilot wave is 'attached' to the local particle in the sense that the particle momentum induces the C-field (pilot wave) circulation analogous to a charged particle inducing magnetic field circulation.

    This 'local reference frame' fits with Peter's ideas and Einstein's ideas as quoted in Peter's essay. It also explains the constant speed of light in local reference frames and answers your earlier question about information being lost when a photon is red-shifted.

    I haven't tried to solve the Casimir effect in terms of the C-field, so I have no opinion there, but you're right, the next question is how wave functions 'push'.

    The Lamb shift is more interesting. I suspect that it is a C-field effect, but I haven't shown it. First, I think it is the right order of magnitude to be a C-field effect. And I don't really believe it's a 'virtual particle' effect for two reasons. Relatively recent QCD experiments expected to see a 'sea of strange quarks' in the proton, and have not found them. But even more serious to me is that the vacuum energy is now known to be 120 orders of magnitude weaker than was believed when the Lamb shift was calculated, but this factor of 10^120 does not seem to have any effect on the calculation of the effect. How can this be? When your primary explanation undergoes a change of 120 orders of magnitude in your primary variable, vacuum energy, and has no effect, perhaps it's time to re-examine your explanation.

    Finally, in the GEM and the Constant Speed of Light paper, I have ignored the term that is based on changes in gravity. I plan to go back and look at that (real soon now) and will be happy to discuss photons and gravity with you at that time.

    Edwin Eugene Klingman

    Ray,

    By the way, as I understand it "Beginning with O(alpha^2) one finds in the guts of the radiative corrections contributions from all species of charged particles in the physical world." [Abraham Pais, "Inward Bound"], where alpha is the fine structure constant.

    Have you given any thought to the implications of this with all of the new particles you propose?

    Edwin Eugene Klingman

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    Ray,

    I think you'd better give that free quark back before some gluons start looking for it.

    Edwin,

    In the derivation of the Cosmological constant, theorists try to sum all of the oscillators that exist within the quantum vacuum as,

    [math]E_0 = \sum \frac {1}{4 \pi}h\omega_j[/math]

    which is exactly why the calculation is off by 120 orders of magnitude. If wave-functions were buckets and photons/particles were buckets full of water, then trying to calculate E_0 by assuming there is water in all of the buckets is going to give you 120 orders of magnitude more water then is actually there.

    I hope that made sense.

    Empty space is filled with wave-functions (mostly empty buckets). There is another possible way to calculate the Cosmological constant. I just don't know if it explains why wave-functions push on things. Remember when I said that we live in a zero energy universe? The energy of the Big Bang, E_BB plus the energy of gravity, U_GR, sum to zero.

    [math]E_{BB}+U_{GR} = 0[/math]

    What if that equation is not exactly correct. What if instead,

    [math]E_{BB}+U_{GR} = \Lambda[/math]

    The difference between the energy of the Big Bang and the energy of gravity equals the Cosmological constant?

    It sounds interesting, but I'll have to think about whether or not I like the idea.

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    Hi Ed,

    You asked:

    "By the way, as I understand it "Beginning with O(alpha^2) one finds in the guts of the radiative corrections contributions from all species of charged particles in the physical world." [Abraham Pais, "Inward Bound"], where alpha is the fine structure constant.

    Have you given any thought to the implications of this with all of the new particles you propose?"

    My response:

    You might want to read my latest paper in PSTJ 1,9: "The Interrelationship of Spin and Scales". I've known about radiative corrections for decades, and had applications in my book. Radiative corrections might imply Variable Coupling Theory (in my book), or might imply errors in our model (PSTJ 1,9).

    I fully expect these new particles to either 1) be tachyons (How do you observe something faster than the speed of light? Would that be confused with electronic feedback?) or 2) to be much more massive than our known particles (at one of these heirarchal scales that are stable against radiative corrections because of their dependance on the Weak force or the Gravitational force). R parity is expected to cause a stable Weak-scale heirarchy for SUSY particles.

    But this is Jason's blog. We should probably discuss my ideas on my blog site.

    Have Fun!

    Dr. Cosmic Ray

    Hi Guys

    Jason I answer 2 points and gave food for thought on the "massive gravity..." string.

    Ref gravity, I agree, but only as part of something like Edwin's combined C field. Consider how the magnets in the LHC bend space-time, and how a massive cloud of photoelectrons is needed to do it, emitting synchrotron light (big secret money going into looking deeper into that at present! - or not 'looking', as it also involves stealth technology!) The particles have inertial mass - which I believe should give us equivalence with gravitational mass.

    Ray,

    Do also look and let me know how the trip felt! I use a basic version of scales but don't have a clue if there's any relevance to yours. i'm sure your concept if far less agricultural. I keep trying to read your essay and promise I will soon.

    Best wishes.

    Peter

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    Hi Peter,

    P:"Consider how the magnets in the LHC bend space-time, and how a massive cloud of photoelectrons is needed to do it, emitting synchrotron light (big secret money going into looking deeper into that at present! - or not 'looking', as it also involves stealth technology!) "

    Those magnets produce a heck of a lot of magnetic field, but they don't bend or curve space-time. How do I know? You can take two atomic clocks. Leave one of them safelty away from the magnets (it must be at the same elevation as the other atomic clock). Put the other one behind one of those magnets while it is energized. After about an hour, take the second atomic clock and place it next to the first atomic clock. Both clocks should read the same. The magnetic field does not induce a time dilation. There is graviational time dilation, relativistic time dilation and rotational (Sagnac) time dilation.

    Nobody has ever observed a magnetic field time dilation.

    BTW, you've mentioned several times that a cloud of photoelectrons is an observation that proves that this particular inertial frame is traveling very close to the speed of light relative to a slower moving inertial frame. Can you please elaborate on that. What causes the cloud of photon electrons?

    Jason

    I agree. the em field does't 'curve space-time' but it does of course curve and accelerate the beam!! (or let me know how else you think it's done!) which is the precise effect being described.

    'Nobody has ever observed a magnetic field time dilation'. You might find nobody has observed anything else! (except it's done via particles) Have a look at the ref's I've just posted in Georgina's string.

    The photoelectrons (or now more trendy 'virtual' electrons) condense from the field at the exact density and frequency needed to scatter and diffract the light (with the slight PMD delay) in both the frame o the magnet and the beam so they have to interact (I told you of the very high density yesterday) to do a pretty convincing impression of curved space time.

    Mmmmm, I can smell roast duck a l'orange - look at the ref's on Georgina's and tell me if you can too..

    Here's an old free one on CERN.;Kireeff, M. et al. Absolute Measurement of Electron-Cloud Density in a Positively Charged Particle Beam. Phys. Rev. Lett. 97, 054801 July 2006 http://link.aps.org/doi/10.1103/PhysRevLett.97.054801

    Peter

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    Peter,

    I thought virtual electron clouds were observed when inertial frames reached relativistic velocities. There's a lot of kinetic energy in a mass moving at 0.99c, even though it's not traveling that much faster than a mass moving at 0.9c.

    Jason

    That's what many assume, but look at the graphs, the 'fine structure' starts increasing in flux and oscillation virtually as soon as motion starts!

    The kinetic energy pretty well exactly matches the relative frame velocity and frequency, which matches the energy put in, which matches the Doppler shift, which, according to equivalence principle and experiment, also precisely matches the Gravitational mass. Ergo; I am proposing some connections exist.

    ie. I only propose 3, and falsifiable, things;

    1. If 5 basketballs hit you they will hurt more than 1, even more if they go faster, but not if they aren't moving, but they also weigh more than 1.

    2. If your radio had FM it's oscillator will change light speed, i.e. em wave speed, to that transmitted so you can hear 'Fly me to the moon' perfectly even if you're flying to the moon. (all via Christian Doppler).

    3. Plasma makes up over 99% of the universe and has a c/n (in it's own frame.)

    Some seem to think those are nonsense as my theory varies slightly from SR, even though it follows Einstein's own view, but no-one has yet produced one iota of scientific refutation of my very powerfully predictive model. I really wish they would, or at least try! There's a brilliant link to probably the best cosmology available in Don Limuti's essay, which is spot on and consistent in all departments. I've even predicted and can derive the spiral anisotropy of the CMB, - with real photographic evidence that would hold up in court!

    I think there is a way out for your theory too, but not quite the way you were heading. Look at Don's link. His essay is mainly spot on too.

    Peter

      Hi Jason, yes I liked your photon theory essay very much. All that is needed is a visual reprentation of the photon imo. Have you ever considered the Archimedes screw as an anlogy for something with both particle and wave properties?

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        Hi Alan,

        I can't say I've heard about Archimedes screw. But now that I've read about it, yeah, I see a connection. Actually, I see a connection between Archimedes screw and the shift photon. But you asked if AS is a good analogy for particles versus waves. By wave, do you mean massless particles like photons? Well, I see particles as being inertial frames unto themselves. In contrast, a wave (a photon) is something that frequency shifts between two inertial frames.

        Thank you for the Archimedes screw idea. That made my day. :-)

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        Hi Peter,

        I really want to understand your perspective and ideas. But there are some ideas that you've said that I don't quite square with.

        P:"2. If your radio had FM it's oscillator will change light speed, i.e. em wave speed, to that transmitted so you can hear 'Fly me to the moon' perfectly even if you're flying to the moon. (all via Christian Doppler)."

        I have an FM radio at home (like most people). But if FM radios could change the speed of light, ... wait, do you mean slow it down as in c/n where n>=1?

        You just made my day too! You're the second author to appreciate the Archimedes screw idea. I'm still thinking in very abstract terms and so believe the visualisation can both represent 'massless' entities like photons and 'heavy' particles like quarks. The helix can be shaped into a ring-donut for example to give an added dimension. There could also be double-helices in a ring donut configuration. There could be opposite spinning helices in a ring donut i.e. a neutron type configuration. Both could be spinning in the same direction i.e. a proton-type configuarion or both opposite i.e. an anti-proton configuration. The possiblities are enough to fill all the niches of quantum mechanics or the six confgurations of quarks imo. It's such a simple idea yet full of potential.

        Imagine that the Archimedes screw spins so as to cause a force of attraction when interacting with another particle. If this Archimedes screw then travelled around a hypersphere, or wraparound universe, then it would emerge on the other side as a force of repulsion i.e. dark energy! This helical ring-donut idea then can model the idea of an electric circuit. One terminal of a battery spins clockwise, whilst the other end, once travelled around the circuit would arrive at the other terminal spinning anti-clockwise. See what I mean?

        P.S you haven't entered your author's code so that your replies highlight in yellow.