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Akinbo,

No, that wouldn't cut the mustard since in each and every physics book I've looked at, the photon has been defined as a particle. The photon is part and parcel of the standard model of particle physics. The photon might wave, but my hand can wave too and it's not a wave-wave. Regarding the particle nature of photons, there's the photoelectric effect. Photons have been used in entanglement experiments. Photons have been fired one at a time in double-slit experiments. An electron migrates to a higher energy level or orbit because it absorbs a photon. I somehow think that eliminating the particle nature of a photon from physics as we know it would cause so much despair among the physics profession that - well perhaps we'd better not cause any undue angst. We wouldn't want to be responsible for any unfortunate incidents.

John Prytz

QUANTUM PHYSICS: PROBABILITY vs. CERTAINTY

It is absolutely impossible to read any popular account on quantum physics without running into the words "probability" or "uncertainty" if not in each and every paragraph, then at least on each and every page. Quantum physics and probability fit together like a left hand and a left handed glove! But it's all bovine fertilizer since the concept of probability is a human concept that has no real application in Mother Nature's realm.

It is claimed that quantum physics is based not on certainty (i.e. - causality) but on probability, and therefore Mother Nature places the cosmos ultimately under wraps, under a restriction that there just are some secrets that are Hers and Hers alone to know, and not for us mere mortals. However, truth be known, Mother Nature is just as restrictive at times even when probability doesn't enter into the equation. Therefore, quantum physics isn't some be-all-and-end-all of failing to come to terms with cosmic certainties. In any event, the concept of probability is a human concept, and quantum physics pre-dates human concepts. Quantum physics maybe full of probabilities to us mortals, but not to Mother Nature.

Probability and quantum physics: the issue here is not whether quantum physics works - it's been proven 100% accurate down to the 12th decimal place and then some. It is ultimately responsible for over 1/3rd of the global economy in technological gizmos and applications. The issue is rather does quantum physics play the game and operate under fixed and final rules of causality or does it play by its own on-a-whim 'rules' which aren't really rules since they are meant to be broken.

Either causality operates or it doesn't. If it does, then quantum physics does not, cannot, strut its stuff willy-nilly without any cause-and-effect in operation. If causality doesn't operate then certainty doesn't operate at any level since the certainty we associate with the macro is built on the uncertainty of the micro.

Quantum uncertainty, or the opposite side of the coin, probability, is usually made explicit by the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle which basically states that through no fault of your own or your instrumentation, it is literally impossible to know various contrasting properties about a fundamental particle. The more you pin down and know about one property, the fuzzier another property becomes, and vice versa. You can never know both properties absolutely to a 100% certainty. In fact you can never know either property to the 100% certainty level. That's because the very act of observing or of measuring changes the properties that you are trying to observe or measure. Mother Nature has forced or placed this not-to-be-negotiated and no-correspondence-will-be-entered-into restriction on you, the observer, or on your sidekick, your measuring gizmo. So there! Or is it really so? The key is that you, the observer, or your measuring doohickie device, is in the bloody way. You can't know the precise state of affairs of the system you are interested in if you are part of that system. You are not part of the solution; you are the problem!

Probability is nothing more than a statement that you, the human you, don't know something for absolute certain. That's it. Once you find out for certain, it's no longer probability but certainty. If you can't find out, and the very act of observing or measuring can alter the properties of what you are trying to observe or measure (and that's really what the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle is all about), what transpires or eventuates if there is no observation or measurement?

In every definition or explanation I've ever seen about the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle it is either implied o explicitly stated that an observer and/or measurement is being attempted or considered.

Probability remains probability if you can't ever know in practice or even in theory. However, one can postulate that an omniscient (all-knowing) deity must know all things not only in practice but in theory too. No person who believes in an all-knowing God could put any stock in quantum physics as operating in the realm of probability; ditto the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. However, I really don't need to go down that pathway since I state with certainty that there is no God, all-knowing or otherwise.

Even if you don't know, but it is possible to know in theory, well that too results in at least theoretical certainty.

But what if it is not possible to know, even in theory, a.k.a. the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle? Well, that too, doesn't of necessity rule in probability and rule out certainty.

As another example of so-called quantum probability, take radioactive decay which is alleged to be lacking is causality - it happens for no reason at all. As far as an observer is concerned, a radioactive atom, or its nucleus, will decay, but exactly when and under what conditions is unpredictable, maybe in 10 seconds, maybe not for a billion years. It's all probability.

This is an example of Mother Nature hiding skeletons in Her closet. The observer is thwarted in coming to terms with radioactive decay other than through, or by computing, probabilities. Therefore, quantum physics is probability. But that's only if you accept the lack of causality premise. I totally reject that and suggest that radioactive decay does have a cause - we just don't know what it is. Thanks to Mother Nature's closet, we are restricted or prevented with absolutes or limitations to our vision of reality. There are lots of examples of skeletons in Mother Nature's closet that don't involve probability (see below), so why should radioactive decay be an exception to the rule?

If a human observer is present, she might say based on computing probabilities, that the radioactive atomic nucleus has a 50-50 chance of going poof in one hour. But, if there is no human observer, the radioactive nucleus will go poof (absolutely certain) - eventually. There's no probability involved because there are no artificial time units involved - time units are a human concept or invention not part of Mother Nature's vocabulary. So probability in quantum physics is observer dependent (or dependent on there being an observer) - no observer, no probability, just certainty.

Mother Nature has imposed lots of other absolutes or limitations on us. Jump into a Black Hole and you're not coming out again, even if you were born on Krypton. No probability here.

You cannot travel at the speed of light - period! No probability here.

If you are inside a closed room (no windows) you have no way of telling if you are on Earth and in Earth's 1-G gravity field or in space being accelerated at 1-G. No probability here.

Akin to the above, you have no sense of motion while you are sitting comfortably on your sofa. Yet, the Earth is spinning on its axis; the Earth is orbiting around the Sun; the Sun is orbiting around the Milky Way Galaxy; and the Milky Way Galaxy and the Andromeda Galaxy are on a collision course (relax, not to intersect for another five billion years). Equally, if you were in a spaceship with no windows (no fair peeking outside), and that spaceship were travelling at a constant rate of speed, you wouldn't feel it and thus you wouldn't be aware that you we travelling at a rapid rate of knots. No probability here.

Mother Nature doesn't require you to be hatched; She does require you to die. No probability here.

You are on a train stopped at the railway station. On your left is another train also stopped at the railway station. That other train starts moving to your rear, or, are you moving forward leaving the other train behind. Which is it? It's soon going to be obvious, but just for a few seconds, you didn't know. If all that existed were just the two trains and you with no other frames of reference, you'd never know if the other train was moving, or if your train was moving, or both. No probability here.

You cannot observe any part of the Universe that resides over the horizon that marks the observable boundary that contains the observable Universe (just like you can not observe a ship that has sailed over the horizon of the spherical Earth). No probability here.

When you look out into the night sky at the distant stars and galaxies, you are looking back in time, since it takes time for the light of those objects to reach us. But you cannot observe the cosmos further back than 300,000 years post that Big Bang event. That's because the cosmos was still too thick with stuff to allow viewing. It's akin to the fact that you cannot view the centre of the Sun because there's too much sun-stuff in the way. In fact it takes extremely lengthy amounts of time for a photon to struggle its way from the centre to the surface of the Sun. So, 300,000 years is the limit, which is why it's nonsense for cosmologists to dictate with absolute certainty what the structure and substance of the Universe was like prior to that time, especially that nonsense that a nanosecond after the Big Bang the Universe was just the size of a pinhead - they are just guesstimating and bad guesstimating at that. No probability here.

You cannot change the past. No probability here.

You cannot build a perpetual motion machine. Many have tried; all have failed. No patent office will grant you a patent for one. They know better. No probability here.

Finally, without our modern technology, the 'Naked Ape' could not detect gamma rays, or X-rays, or radio waves, or microwaves, cosmic rays, neutrinos, and a host of other bits and pieces that are part and parcel of the Universe. No probability here.

So you see that Mother Nature has imposed all manner of absolute obstacles in our way of looking up her skirt and uncovering her 'private' nature as it were. That doesn't mean the anatomy doesn't exist, only we're not allowed to peek and there's not a damn thing we can do about it. So, her anatomy is uncertain or probably is this, or that or the next thing but only to us, the wannabe observer.

Finally, consider and reconsider the quantum mantra: Anything that isn't forbidden is compulsory; anything that can happen will happen. Does that sound like a probability statement to you?

In summary and in conclusion, references to quantum physics are full of the word "probability". They are also filled with terms linking probability to someone like me or to someone like you - an observer. Remove or eliminate the observer and you remove or eliminate the probability in quantum probability.

CAUSALITY: FOUNDED ON BEDROCK, OR IN QUICKSAND?

Every effect has a natural cause which preceded it in time. You live your entire life confident in the reality of that principle. If you do (or don't do) such-and-such, a further down-the-track such-and-such will (or won't) happen. If any violation of that principle happened to you, you'd come to doubt your reality, thinking instead you'd entered "The Twilight Zone" or the world of "Alice in Wonderland"! Yet, sometimes scientists will tell you that something happens for no reason at all.

The logical connection between cause and effect (causality) is one of the, if not the, most fundamental principles in the physical sciences*. If A happens, B follows. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. If an electron meets a positron - ka-boom! If sodium reacts with chlorine, you get table salt - not some of the time, but all of the time. Stars larger than a certain mass will end their stellar lives in a supernovae explosion. Solar and lunar eclipses, the tides, sunrises and sunsets can be determined with high accuracy mega-centuries in advance. You'd be in shock if you fired a bullet at a piece of tissue paper and it bounced back off and hit you, to say nothing of firing up the kettle for your morning coffee only to find ice inside instead of boiling hot water afterwards. Our entire lives are based around the certainty and predictability of causality. If things happen, they happen for a reason, even unusual or unexpected things. See, you weren't aware of the steel plate behind the tissue paper, or that your better half played an elaborate joke on you having previously stashed an identical kettle in the fridge and performed some slight-of-hand! Anyway, and easily verifiable, you'll see that physical science textbooks contain many thousands of examples of everyday, and not so everyday, cause and effect situations.

Causality is to me at least, a 100% certainty relationship. It's not a 99.99% of the time relationship. That is, if A happens, B follows. If B happens, C follows. If C happens, D follows. Causality is not a case of if A happens, B or C follows. If C happens, D maybe follows. Now it doesn't matter to me that causality can be reversed - if A happens, B follows. If B happens, A follows. That's allowable because at the micro level the laws of physics aren't time dependent. An electron and a positron can annihilate and form energy (in the guise of a gamma photon). A gamma photon can spontaneously form an electron-positron pair.

That 100% causality certainty suggests the following. There must be such a thing as predetermined or predestined outcomes. In the beginning were created trillions upon trillions upon trillions of matter particles (electrons, etc.) and force particles (like photons). They were all set in motion - in specific directions with specific velocities. The relationships between all of the elementary particles are fixed, and we call them the physical constants. The particles are fixed. The velocities and directions are fixed. The relationships are fixed - All else follows. Particle A has fixed properties. Particle B has fixed properties. The relationship between particles of the A kind and of the B kind are fixed. Particle A meets particle B. If causality is fundamental, the outcome is 100% fixed; 100% certain. Thus, the initial 'in the beginning' set of conditions, once set in motion, will produce with 100% certainty, right on down the line, the exact sort of world or Universe we experience today. At the time of 'in the beginning', you became an inevitability. At least that's one philosophy, but one I suggest must be so if causality is a valid concept.

As a generalization, all of biology is ultimately based on chemistry. Chemistry is ultimately based on physics. Physics, at its fundamental core, is structured around mathematics and equations. Equations tend to equate things - obviously. Say 1 1 = 2, which in effect says if you cause two separate objects to come into an association, the effect is two objects in association with each other! Equations are also prediction devices. If you know the values of A, B, and C, you can predict D. If you then measure D, you find prediction (theory) and reality (fact) match - not every now and again, not only on weekends and public holidays, but all of the time. If you solve for D, knowing A, B, and C, you will have 100% confidence that in reality D is what you calculate it to be. That confidence can only arise if cause and effect operate 100% of the time. If cause and effect did not operate 100% of the time, then to use a well known literary example, Winston Smith could indeed believe that 2 2 = 5 and wouldn't have to rely on Big Brother to ram the point home.

So, it's surprising that there are those who suggest that sometimes things happen for no reason at all, like the origin of the Universe. First there was nothing; then there was something! Another example often given is an unstable radioactive atom, say an atom of uranium. It can remain in an unstable state for aeons, then go 'poof', and for no [apparent] reason. I insert 'apparent' because I refuse to accept that the uranium atom goes 'poof' for absolutely no reason at all. But it is puzzling in that you could have two identical uranium atoms, sitting side by side, and one goes 'poof' and the other does not.

But then, let's look at a macro case. Say we have two identical twins standing side-by-side. All of a sudden one keels over dead - the other doesn't. Would you consider that mysterious? Probably not, as an autopsy might reveal that the one who kicked the bucket had a heart attack.

So, what about those two side-by-side 'identical' uranium atoms where one goes 'poof' and one doesn't go 'poof'. Did it happen for no reason? Unfortunately, it's way more difficult to perform an autopsy on a 'poof-ed' uranium atom, but that doesn't mean that it didn't suffer the micro equivalent of a heart attack. I think the alternative to the 'no reason' argument is that there was some, ever so subtle and maybe in-deterministic quantum event that triggered the 'poof' in one. Perhaps something caused the phenomena called 'quantum tunnelling' inside the uranium atom's nucleus forcing it to spit out an alpha or beta particle or maybe a gamma ray. The escape, the 'poof', turned the previously unstable radioactive atom into a stable non-radioactive atom. As a best guess, maybe the uranium atom that went 'poof' had its nucleus hit by a passing neutrino or cosmic ray that triggered the quantum tunnelling that caused the 'poof'. We may never know exactly what that something was, but it was a something, not a nothing.

Akin to the radioactive atom example, there are those who suggest that quantum physics have undermined causality. That's because in quantum physics one of the central planks is the uncertainty principle, better termed the Principle of Indeterminacy in the professional literature. In effect, the guts are that the very act of measuring something changes the characteristic(s) or nature of what you are trying to measure. A macro example would be you wanting to measure the temperature of your cup of coffee. Alas, sticking a thermometer into the cup in itself changes the temperature from what it was before you stuck the thermometer in.

A micro example - say there's this electron travelling along minding its own business, and say you want to stick your nose into its business by wanting to know where it is now, how fast it's travelling, and in what direction its heading. Now to detect this electron, something else has be interact with both the electron (firstly) and hence with you (or more likely as not your recording or measuring instrument). Unfortunately, that interaction with the electron, say a photon hitting it and then the deflected photon being detected by you (or your instrument), knocks the electron away from the position it was in, changes its velocity and its direction or pathway you were interested in. You now ain't got a clue where the electron is which is what you were trying to establish in the first place. Ultimately, the position, a combination of its velocity and pathway, become only a probable or possible or indeterminate or uncertain or even, to our perception, a random one. There's a certain probability the electron is now within a certain range; a higher probability or certainty it's within a larger range and a even greater probability it's within an even greater range. Probably the only thing you're 100% certain about is that it's somewhere in the Universe! So even though you can't know exactly where the electron is to the Nth degree, it's somewhere and it's in an exact place (has coordinates) and has a pathway, and there's a reason behind it. That's a micro example of say a small marble hitting a large marble and deflecting the large marble's position, velocity and direction. There's still cause and effect in operation.

What about the duality nature of light? Sometimes light (photons) acts like a wave, sometimes like a particle. [The same applies to other fundamental particles, like electrons.] Even though this is considered strange doings (to us anyway used to nature in the macro realm), there's still no violation of causality. Identical experiments, regardless who, where or when performed, produce identical results. It's just that experiment #1, #3 and #5 produce wave-like behaviour 100% of the time, and experiment #2, #4 and #6 produce particle-like behaviour, again, 100% of the time. If a total novice comes along and does experiment #2, you can bet particle-like behaviour will result. Confusing? Yes. Do we have a long road ahead of us before we come to terms with this duality and what nature is trying to tell us? Yes. Is wave/particle duality a violation of causality? No.

In physics, students sooner or later learn about Maxwell's demon. That's a little feller that sits inside a box filled with say molecules of carbon dioxide at standard temperature and pressure. There's a partition in the middle of the box with a hole and a lid covering the hole. Now these molecules are moving about at different velocities. It's the job of the demon to open the lid covering the hole whenever a carbon dioxide molecule with an above average velocity moves from the left side of the box to the right side. And the demon opens the lid whenever a slower than average molecule is moving from the right side to the left side. The upshot of that, is that because molecular velocity is just temperature, the right side of the box will get warmer; the left side will get cooler, even though at the start the box was a uniform temperature. Now if that actually happened, you'd be pretty amazed, for its contrary to what we associate cause and effect to be. But, there's no violation of physical law here. Now and again, something highly improbable can, and does, happen. By chance, you could have a situation where faster moving molecules just happen to all tend to move to the right and slower moving molecules move to the left. Causality is preserved.

Another case could be that all the molecules happen to move in the same direction at the same time and all end up in one corner of the box. Again, it's highly improbable, but not impossible. And again, there's no violation of cause and effect. Just like there is no violation of causality of you get dealt a royal flush! To a golfer, a hole-in-one is rare, an unexpected and unpredictable and random event, but it doesn't violate causality. Ditto the breaking up of a rack of billiard balls with the cue ball and having them all go into various pockets. In either case, golf or billiards, if the initial conditions or circumstances that led up to the hole-in-one or pocketing all the balls in one shot are repeated, exactly repeated down to the Nth detail, the outcome the next time around will be identical. Cause and effect are 100% repeatable under identical conditions. Change the conditions (the cause) and you change the effect.

These above two examples are summed up by the quantum mantra that if it's not forbidden, it's compulsory - at least if you wait long enough. Of course in the case of the box and the carbon dioxide molecules, although the outcomes suggested will come to pass, you might have to wait multi-billions of years to observe it - probably even longer!

To hammer home the point, just because something is expressed in probabilities (events that can appear to be random but ultimately have patterns) doesn't mean causality doesn't operate - we just don't have enough of the necessary details, and to the necessary level of precision, down to the degree required to predict with as close to 100% certainty as makes no odds. That's unavoidable in the micro world. Absolute prediction in the macro world is often a theoretical luxury, but still, in theory, one can come to terms with it. Take a dice - if you knew exactly its initial position when tossed, its trajectory, its rotation rate, the exact condition of atmospheric parameters (temperature, pressure, viscosity, air currents, etc.), any slight imperfections in the cubic shape, and so on and so on, you could predict with confidence what number would come up - but not to the extent of 100% - always expect unexpected chaos, some factor(s) you hadn't anticipated but perhaps should of! Alas, when you're at the gaming table, trying to calculate all the relevant factors in your head in real time are beyond - well, even a super computer. But, be certain that whatever number does come up that cause and effect determined the outcome. It didn't happen for lack of any reason at all.

Let's look at another quantum level example. Say we have two pairs of two electrons each, one pair in the Great Galaxy of Andromeda, the other in our own Milky Way Galaxy. In each galaxy respectively, both electrons are approaching each other at the same velocity and at the same angle and since all electrons have the same mass and electric charge, the two electrons should deflect, either as a direct result of a collision (if the velocities are high enough) or because they repel prior to contact because have like charges. I'd suggest, even though this is a quantum level event (probability and uncertainty rule), that in other galaxies, the two electrons will deflect in a 100% identical manner. The cause is identical, thus the effect will be identical.

Thus far I've been talking about cause and effect as if it were totally a one-to-one relationship. That's not true of course. While there are many ways (causes) to commit suicide - it's only one effect (you're dead). There are numerous ways a deck of cards can be organized (causes) that can deal you a pair of red kings - but the outcome is only one effect. One exact ordering of the deck can not give you a pair of red kings one time and a pair of black kings next time, assuming the same number of players, the same game, and dealing in the same order. Getting back to physics, as Einstein realized, both gravity (cause) and acceleration (cause) can give rise to the same effect; say being pushed back in your seat.

Because the direction of time (time's arrow) is symmetrical at the micro level - there's no law(s) or principle(s) of physics that demands that time has to flow in one, and only one direction, you can have cases where cause and effect likewise show time symmetry. That is, A can cause B; but B can also cause A. Obvious examples include how an electron and a positron meet and annihilate producing energy. Or, energy can produce an electron-positron pair. Familiar examples happen all the time in chemistry, where chemical reactions are reversible. An atom of oxygen can combine with an atom of carbon to form carbon monoxide. Or, a molecule of carbon monoxide can dissociate back into carbon and oxygen. In either case, causality operates.

Sometimes you need two causes to produce one effect. Say you need this pill and that pill to treat one disease.

Can one cause give rise to a multitude of effects? - At a simple and fundamental level, probably not. In physics you usually associate one cause with one repeatable effect. A common example is the Doppler Effect - a racing ambulance or police car or fire engine with sirens going full blast passes you (cause) as you're standing on the side-walk. You hear a higher than normal note as the vehicle approaches you, and a sudden drop to a lower note as the vehicle passes you and recedes into the distance. That sudden change is the effect. Another not so common example, given above, an electron meets a positron (cause), and ka-boom (effect). In chemistry, two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen make water. That's it. Of course cause and effect can be reversed. One can break down water (cause) into hydrogen and oxygen in a two to one ratio.

However, in more complex systems, one cause can give rise to lots of repercussions. For example, an asteroid impacts Planet Earth 65 millions years ago. One effect is a large crater in the planet. Another effect is the demise of non-avian dinosaurs (and other species as well). A third effect is a layer or iridium at the Cretaceous-Tertiary boundary.

The cause of the dinosaur's demise ultimately gave an effect - the rise of the mammals and humans as the dominate life forms on the planet. Humans of course have in turn produced many other effects on the planet, all of which would have been bypassed had that asteroid missed us all those millions of years ago!

A viral infection (cause) can give rise to a fever (effect), and a sore throat (effect), and chills (effect), and a runny nose (effect), and sneezing (effect), etc.

Of course one cause can result in a chain reaction or a snowballing effect or the butterfly effect. One particle (initial cause) impacts a nucleus (effect) which then spews out more particles (a cause) which hits more nuclei which sends out even more particles hitting more nuclei until you have a runaway chain reaction, which, if it happens fast enough is the explosion (final effect) of an atomic bomb.

A butterfly flapping its wings (cause) at location X can produce an air current which reinforces an existing air current which continues on down the line to ultimately produce a drought (effect) in location Y and a typhoon (2nd effect) that hits location Z.

I maintain you can't have an effect without a cause, but can you have a cause without an effect - can something happen without affecting anything else? Put this way, say a cause has an effect - could that effect in turn have no further influence on anything, any time? While such incidents would be rare indeed, IMHO, I can imagine possible scenarios. One example that comes to mind is an isolated proton in the remote void of outer space that disintegrates or decays into an electron, a neutron and an anti-neutrino. It's certainly possible that any one of the three effects, the neutron, the electron or the anti-neutrino could in theory travel throughout the void for all eternity without ever coming into any association with anything else, just because in the void, 'anything else' is so few and far between that it's possible for something to keep on keeping on - an ultimate micro hermit.

One can have a lot of fun playing around with causality, but it's like playing a game within the rules. Playing the game without any rules, without any causality, only produces chaos.

Conclusion: I think the fundamental difference here is, is that when some people use the word "chance", they mean something happened for no reason - no causality - and there is no underlying fine print. I would argue that causality still exists; the fine print exists, we just don't see it; haven't discovered it, or fully understand it yet. My notion of the fine print; that undiscovered country; the details, apply whether to a macro system or to a micro (quantum) system. What the fine print is not, IMHO, is a god or equivalent.

*In the biological sciences, even under the most tightly controlled laboratory conditions of temperature and pressure, etc., the experimental organism will do what it damn well pleases! (Nudge, nudge; wink, wink.)

8 days later

THE MANY POTENTIAL LIVES OF RADIOACTIVITY

When you study radioactivity in high school or anything that relates to radioactive dating, you're drilled in the fact that any and every radioactive (unstable) nuclei decay at a fixed mathematical rate called the half-life. Each 'brand' of nuclei has its own half-life that's applicable or unique to those particular nuclei. What's probably not drilled into you is that unstable nuclei decay for no reason at all and that tends to make a bit of a hash of the half-life relationship which in turn can't be explained. Something is screwy somewhere.

Is there a relationship between causality and radioactive decay and the precise pattern to that decay? Why is this important or interesting? Because, at least in IMHO, there's something screwy somewhere between the three that needs resolution. Radioactivity - exactly when something decays, in this case unstable (i.e. - radioactive) nuclei, is totally random. There is no rhyme or reason for the when. There is no cause according to quantum or particle physicists; therefore there should be no pattern according to me. If, contrary to scientific opinion, cause and effect operate at the quantum level (the micro realm where unstable nuclei go poof) then there are plausible mechanisms, again according to me*, that could account for a pattern - the half-life pattern - which is what we observe. So there's a conflict here, or as I have stated, there's something screwy somewhere.

The central theme here is why do unstable nuclei decay according to a precise mathematical relationship termed the half-life? The weak nuclear force explains what happens in radioactive decay and how it happens but not why it happens when it happens. There are potentially dozens of other precise mathematical possibilities, and a near infinite ones if you abandon any mathematical symmetry altogether. Let's explore a few of those.

For the sake of what follows, let's assume a barrel full of 1000 marbles. Each marble represents one of the 1000 identical unstable radioactive nuclei 'marbles' or atomic 'marbles' that sooner or later will go poof and decay giving off, radioactivity - Alpha, Beta and/or Gamma Rays. The barrel is just to keep all of them in place - say like a 1000 atom lump of uranium. The decay or the poof will originate when someone removes a marble or the marble from the barrel.

Now how many ways can one remove marbles from the barrel - how many ways can unstable radioactive nuclei be made to decay.

For the standard half-life relationship to hold, you are restricted to pulling out half of the marbles that are in the barrel per fixed unit of time. You remove one half of the original lot of 1000 marbles per unit of time; then one half of the remaining 500 marbles per unit of time; then one half of the remaining 250 marbles per unit of time; then one half of the remaining 125 marbles, and so on and so forth - 62, 31, 16, 8, 4, 2, 1 and finally all 1000 marbles have been removed and there is no more instability left. All the 1000 radioactive atoms have now gone poof and decayed. You can plot that on a graph and get a nice pattern. That's what's in the textbooks.

Since the half-life works on an ever diminishing scale, one-half of the original, then one-half of what remains, then one-half of what remains after that, and so on, why that and why not other possible but similar relationships?

What about three-quarter lives? If you start with 1000 unstable marbles, after one unit of time you decay 750, leaving 250. Three-quarters of 250 is 188 that bite the dust after another identical interval of time leaving 62 to go. Three-quarters of 62 is 46 more who have decayed. That just leaves 16 radioactive marbles in the barrel. 12 of them go poof in the next time interval, leaving a bare quartet. One more time interval sees just one lone radioactive marble left, which of course will give up the ghost in the next (and final) time interval.

Now what about two-third lives? If you start with 1000 unstable marbles, after one unit of time you decay 667, leaving 333. Two-thirds of 333 are 222 that bite the dust after another identical interval of time leaving 111 to go. Two-thirds of 111 are 74 more who have decayed. That just leaves 37 radioactive marbles in the barrel. 25 of those go poof in the next time interval, leaving a bare 12. One more time interval sees just four lone radioactive marbles left, three of which of course will give up the ghost in the next to last round, the lone and final survivor going down the gurgler in that next (and final) time interval.

For another example, why a one-half life relationship in favour of an ongoing diminishing reciprocal to the above one-third relationship? Remove one-third of the 1000 marbles leaves 667. One-third now removed from those 667 leaves behind 445 'radioactive' marbles. Remove one-third of those 445 marbles and you're left with 297. One-third taken away from 297 leaves 198, then 132, then 88, then 59, then 39, then 26, then 17, then 11, then 7, then 5, then 3, then 2, then one is left which goes poof at that last pick of the draw; in that final unit of uniform time.

In a similar sort of exercise to a third-life, you can substitute the standard half-life for a quarter-life (1000, 750, 562, 421, 316, etc.) or a half-life for a fifth-life (1000, 800, 640, 512, 410, etc.).

Another variation on the theme might revolve around why does not Mother Nature decide, per fixed unit of time, on one-half of the original then one-third of the remaining then one-quarter of what remains after that, hence one-fifth, one-sixth, etc. In our 1000 marble in the barrel analogy, that's one-half of the 1000 removed or 500 left, then one-third removed of the 500 or 333 remain, then one-quarter removed of the remaining 333 leaves 250 remaining, then one-fifth removal of the 250 leaves 200 remaining, then remove one-sixth of the 200 leaves 167, and so on down the diminishing line.

Or what about an inverse square relationship which is a common relationship in physics. So the diminishing relationship is one quarter, followed by one ninth of what remains, followed by one sixteenth of that, followed by one twenty-fifth, followed by one thirty-sixth, etc. That is, start with 1000 marbles, then removing one quarter of those 1000 leaves 750, then removing one ninth of those 750 leaves 667, and removing one sixteenth of those 667 leaves 625, then removing one twenty-fifth of those 625 leaves 600, then removing one thirty-sixth of those 600 leaves 583, and so on. Why didn't Mother Nature opt for that mathematical relationship for radioactive decay?

Now consider the near infinite number of alternatives or possibilities.

You could grab out all 1000 marbles in one fell swoop.

You could equally grab out 500, catch your breath, then grab out 500 more.

You could pull out 1 or 2 or 5 or 10, etc. marbles per unit of time. From say the initial 1000, pull out 25 each grab: 1000, 975, 950, 925, 900, 875, etc. Or, one could pull out any random number of marbles every 25 seconds.

You could pull out 1, then 2 then 3 then 4 then 5, etc. per unit of time. Starting with 1000, you'd have 1000, 999, 997, 994; 900; 985; 979; 972, etc. Or, pull out 1, then 2 then 4 then 8 then 16 then 32 then 64, etc. doubling each time. Or 1, then 4, then 9, then 16, then 25, then 36 more, then 47 more, then 64 more, then 81 more, then 100 more, etc., the squares of 1, 2, 3, etc. Or there's the cubes of 1, 2 3, etc. - 1, 8, 27, 64, 125 and so on until all the marbles have been grabbed. Another relationship could be pulling out 1, then 2 more, then 3 more, then 5 more, then 8 more, then 13 more, then 21 more, then grab another 34, then another 55, etc. where what you grab out is the sum of the previous two grabs. Then there are the primes - grab 1, then 2 then 3 then 5 then 7 then 11 then 13 then 17, etc. There's no end to the possible mathematically related sequences that have nothing to do with a half-life.

If radioactive nuclei go poof for absolutely no reason at all - there's no cause for the effect - as scientists claim**, then all radioactive nuclei decay should be absolutely random. It just so happens that mathematically the most probable way is a totally random way, a totally random selection of marbles from the barrel since there are way more ways of doing something (removing marbles from the barrel) randomly than doing something by the mathematical book - engineering some precise mathematical relationship that one can put down in equation form and graph as a symmetrical line or curve.

Take say two decks of cards, each numbered 1 to 52 and each shuffled well - then each shuffled again. A randomly chosen card from Deck A decides the number of marbles to be removed; a randomly chosen card from Deck B decides the time before you remove them. Picked cards are re-entered back into their respective decks and the decks shuffled again.

Now this is just a convenient-sized quasi-random number generator one can apply to our 1000 'radioactive' marble sample. In reality, the first 'deck of cards' would have to represent every possible positive whole number, and the second time generator 'deck of cards' every possible increment of the smallest possible time unit - the Planck unit of time - in which anything meaningful can take place, like a nucleus decaying and going poof. Both random number generating 'decks' together then can deal with every radioactive nucleus that ever was and is in the entire cosmos.

Meantime, back to the 1000 marbles in the barrel and the two finite shuffled deck of cards from which numbers of marbles and time frames are picked randomly. I think you'd agree that if you followed the logic of picking and removing the number of marbles from the barrel based on a random shuffling of one deck of cards and doing so at time intervals based on the random shuffling of a second deck of cards, you are unlikely in the extreme to end up with the standard half-life relationship. Something is indeed screwy somewhere.

In conclusion, if you buy say a 24-can case of beer, there will come a point in time when half the contents (12 cans) have been consumed. But you couldn't call that time interval the half-life of that case of beer since there is no reason to assume that the next six cans (half of the remaining 12 cans) will be consumed in the next identical time interval and the next three cans in an identical time interval following that. The same argument applies to radioactive (unstable) nuclei. The fact that the half-life relationship exists and has been verified in defiance of all that is logical given the lack of causality is suggestive evidence IMHO for the reality of, our reality being; the Simulated (Virtual Reality) Universe scenario. It's all just software programming done from a higher reality.

* In the nanosecond that separates no decay from decay, something must of happened IMHO to trigger the decay event. I've gone on record elsewhere that a plausible mechanism might be neutrinos slam-banging into unstable nuclei, the impact being the tipping point that triggers the decay event.

** Scientists probably conclude that because nothing they do to radioactive nuclei, either chemically or physically makes any difference to the poof rate of that specific type of unstable nuclei. You can hammer them, boil them in oil, piss on them, feed them to bacteria, give them the evil eye, soak them in Holy Water, oxygenate then, play heavy metal music to them, shine a laser beam on them, freeze them, put them in a vacuum, and for all the good those things do, nothing changes.

Further Reading:

Malley, Marjorie C.; Radioactivity: A History of A Mysterious Science; Oxford University Press, Oxford; 2011:

HEISENBERG UNCERTAINTY PRINCIPLE

Where does the uncertainty reside in the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle? In every definition or description of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle I've come across, it is stated explicitly or implied that there is an observer or stand-in proxies measuring device that's part and parcel of the overall Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle picture.

A common example of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle is that a photon bounces off an electron. The photon enables the observer to 'see' the electron, but that bouncing off bit alters the trajectory of the electron so the electron isn't where the photon that the observer sees says it is - thus the uncertainty.

Thus, the uncertainty rests with the observer or associated proxies. It's the observer who is uncertain or in a position of uncertainty.

Now remove the observer from the scenario leaving just the photon and the electron doing their thing. Is there any quantitative or qualitative amount of uncertainty left? If you eliminate or remove the observer then where does that leave the uncertainty? That's not just an academic question since once upon a time the Universe contained no observers and even today 99.99999% of the cosmos is free of observer peeping toms.

IMHO, once the observer is eliminated from the picture there is no longer any uncertainty inherent in the picture.

John,

If a God built the universe as a computer why would she do so? Because she already knew how it would all turn out? (deterministic), or to find out? (uncertain).

Causality does not imply absolute determinism so also not absolute certainty.

An observer is then simply a non-special part of the system producing the same outcomes in the same way. We may chase uncertainty down to higher orders, but to resolve it we need a computer the size of the universe, and the outcome state will not be known, until the other possible states finally 'collapse'!

Why would a God build a computer if the only answer it could produce was already known? Even a deterministic computer game outcome is uncertain, observer or not.

Best wishes

Peter

    Peter,

    I have never claimed, ever, that God or any manner of supernatural deity built the Universe as a computer. If you are referring to my ideas about our being in a simulated landscape, part of an overall Simulated (Virtual Reality) Universe, then you will have noted that I have consistently speculated that the Supreme Programmer was/is a mortal, fallible, flesh-and-blood entity - perhaps human; perhaps alien. Just as we have created tens of thousands of simulations, virtual reality landscapes, then so too one level on up the line, we might be in that same boat.

    As to motivations, I've already posted an essay on that subject on the 18th of November 2014 in the Alternative Models of Reality section.

    John Prytz

    John,

    You proposed that removing 'observers' removed uncertainty, which makes the universe fully 'deterministic', so all is 'pre-determined'. That is the very well argued and established logical progression.

    Perhaps you didn't realise that, but I argued that firstly that is not the case, and then in any case there would be no point even if there were some intelligence to pre-determine it.

    Unless you found some OTHER credible motivation?

    Best wishes

    Peter

    Peter,

    Actually I have long since concluded that the cosmos is a deterministic one, and thus we don't have any free will as one of the consequences (see some of my "free will" posts under the topic of Complexity hence the subtopic of Biological Creativity).

    Anyway, my rational is the following, and alas, there's nothing original in this on my part. I'll start with the really real Universe. At the time of the origin or creation of the Universe, that Big Bang event, all of the laws, relationships and principles of physics were set in cement and thus all subsequent events that flowed or evolved out from those flowed out in a deterministic order.

    If we exist in a Simulated (Virtual Reality) Universe, a virtually real cosmos, then one of two scenarios are possible. Firstly we are characters in a video game and someone (the programmer and/or the gamer) is pulling the strings - we are all puppets on a string. He / she / it / they determine who, what, where, when, why and how. We get no say in the matter.

    The other possibility is akin to many of our simulation scenarios. We program in some set of laws, principles and relationships, hit "enter" or "run program" and sit back and see what eventuates. What happens is 100% fixed by those very laws, principles and relationships that were initially programmed in. This is what I call "cast your fate to the wind mode".

    End of story. There are no uncertainties or probabilities apart from those that exist in the minds of the observers, albeit through no fault of their own. In the case of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, eliminate the observers and you eliminate the associated uncertainty because that damn electron is somewhere with fixed coordinates and not in a zillion different places at the same time. If nothing else, the electron knows where it is!

    John Prytz

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