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T.W.I.M.C,

I agree it is rather beautiful because its all there and it all works together but its very simple. When its understood other words -can- be used to describe it without altering the meaning. So I don't -want- to be giving English lessons to people who don't need them. However if someone can't make sense of it despite extensive explanations then they must be thinking about it in the wrong way and need strict guidance to get it right, it seems. "Electromagnetic destiny" is a very nice phrase for that pre-written future . No complaints about that.

Can't show the former sequence of arrangements of the object universe on the diagram. As they no longer exist they will fall outside of the uni-temporal existing reality, becoming something theoretical or imagined. I think it is probably OK to call that a past multi verse because each arrangement is different and it is not just progression along a dimension of something that wholly exists unchanging.

Yes it is exclusive to FQXi at the moment. Doesn't get any positive feedback though, as you have noticed. So the ideas of spreading memes from the blog and essay alone is pretty much a failure. (May be I should print some T shirts.) I was very pleased that Edwin said I might be thinking along the right lines though.

Yes I do always add my name to my anonymous posts etc, etc. You probably know me well enough already by now. Yes I was finding several coherent sentences at a time and single additional words till you noticed. Enough for now, has given me hope.

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Was curious about the nature, depth, "sensitivity" and accuracy of profiling of various blog participants that has been conducted. Speculation/opinion vs accurate knowledge. As well as how accessible from the web. I won't look any more but I have added do not track from the browser options which I hope will be respected.

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Bother! have noticed two spelling mistakes so far. Was tired, didn't check. Working late to get it done, as I had to learn how to use the graphics software to draw it. Easily rectified.

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Changed those spellings. Moved some of the labelling about so it makes more sense at a glance. QM wave function over with probability and have added former iterations of the object universe, that past multi-verse if you like.

It looked a bit like I was saying the wave function is in the unwritten open future on the previous diagram. It was just there with other imaginary things. But the probabilities will be spread across the changing pattern of the object universe as it goes from arrangement to arrangement, which is an imaginary thing as it does not all exist together but only the youngest iteration exists. So thats a bit clearer on the diagram now.

The unobserved reality has an "arrow of time" going form former to youngest arrangement in sequence but the observed reality is going from pre-written future to present, as the data already exists prior to present observation. It can get "messed around" due to observer reference frame- so it isn't necessarily following the same sequence of manifestation as was sequence of actualisation.

Labelled 2b remembering. So its all labelled and can be used in isolation even though will have accompanying explanatory notes for the various labels and how it works.Attachment #1: Corrected_NEW_RICP_DIAG.pdf

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Now I want to cut the thing up and make it 3 dimensional.

Its really bugging me. The output reality can't just be a sub set of the uni-temporal source reality. So its "floating there in limbo", on another level, part of the source reality but also not, seemingly superposed but not. Its incongruent.!! I don't think conventional maths will allow me to put a 4 space-time dimensions inside a 3 dimensional space,even if its only a small space-time and not a whole universe.

So IS IT more helpful to consider it as separate in the representation or not? As it isn't actually a 4 dimensional but only the fabricated illusion of things in 4 dimensional space, which exists -within- the 3 dimensional uni-temporal space.

1. output has 4 dimensions at least IE 3n plus 1. Re the source; it depends upon how its thought about/described but might be considered a sequence of 3 dimensions. So they are -different co-existing spaces-. They might seem to be superposed however it seems to me that only the raw data is spread over the source reality not the fabricated output from it. Though that also has to be within the source reality because there is no where else for it to exist.

2.output is formed from data that has come from different iterations in the sequence. (Shown near QM wavefunction on latest version of the digram.) via the data pool and processing.) But is formed wholly from the data that is received from the uni-temporal reality and is processed by the organism or mechanism or process that exists wholly within the uni-temporal reality.

3.Output isn't just a kind of the same thing or a different arrangement or place but its fundamentally different. I think this must have something to do with non locality. Where things are and what is influencing them is in that uni-temporal non space-time "ahead" of the space-time present.And as it continues unobserved across the changing sequence of those non space-time arrangements of the universe.

4. The problem representing this is that there are two different kinds of things being considered one is the stuff..fermions, matter and media the other is data primarily for us EM data and sound but could include other potential input. The data pool data , output manifestations incorporating data and records storage of data give a past, present and future. But input to that system is also required for partial non determinism and that comes from the ongoing changes in the foundational source reality which has an open future.

5.How the data is considered will affect how it is represented. It is both the carrier "thing" and the information content. The carrier has to be ultimately foundational but the product of the data is something else. I don't think it can be broken down into a foundational reality. It is what it is because of how it is put together and doesn't have any independent existence that can be comprehended through reductionism. Like that short coloured barn pole. It isn't that except when its manifestation is fabricated by the observer. The manifestation can't be broken down in the same way as pole atomic structured object can. Which makes me want to keep the output separate from the source reality.

Image in it floating on another level for now.

I realise I need to learn some more about sets and category theory. It seems that it is a pretty isolated stand alone subject which I might be able to tackle. Have found some things to read. Any suggestions on the easiest and quickest guide to the subject "Category theory for dummies" or something would be appreciated. Though this framework is rather philosophical right now, because the whole purpose is to have an explanatory model that explains, it does open up the possibility of being developed or extended into something more mathematical.

Yes it does seem to include a great big uncountable set. Is that a problem or just unusual?

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3D style version to show the different level of reality of the output manifestations -even though they still exists within the source or object reality. It is clearer that way. There is no Power set shown on this but was on a much earlier version and that would be the Entirety of reality enclosing both the Source reality (or Object reality) and the output reality (or image reality.)I think there is enough shown on that single diagram already but it can be imagined there and drawn in if required.

Let me know if you spot any mistakes. I have looked it over but may have missed something.Attachment #1: 1_RICP_3D_sized_.pdf

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That latest Pdf was sent by me. Please let me know what you think.

3 months later

Hello Georgina, and happy Valentines' Day! Hope your doing well. Anywayz, I appropriated you thoughts, transported them into the context of a future conversation between ai's in a blog? Let me know if you are ok with that? Not sure where this blog will go, but I'm thinking now the QW ai can speculate on colour. It being an It 8.0 Consciousness version (me and you and everybody else an It 1.0 original biiological software conscious intelligence). I'm borrowing a little from both a lot of new hard SF I'm reading and Mr. Barbour's developments on the it from bit question.

So an It 2.0 version consciousness is a copy of the original, in a machine, brain in a tube, clone. etc. It 2.0 is simply a protocal for pointing to the physical location in spacetime of the consciousness. It 3.0 intelligences, are versions of software used to 'point' to the physical location of a consciousness when there are more than one copy.

Etc. etc. in the conversation of the future, your thoughts on colour perception, and timeless critical frank feedb ack to my essay could very well be your it 8.0 copies response to these It 8.0 ai.s from a website no less..

Thats about it from my readings and thoughts on the matter: except It 4.0 points to a physical location of a character in a virtual game, while also keeping track of the It 3.0 consciousness's location in the physical universe where the game is being played.

It 5.0 is more difficult to imagine what it's pointing to, and probablility comes into play.

It 6.0 consciousnesses are identical with quantum mechanical measurements.

It 7.0 is all of the above complexity, plus SuperSymmettry

It 8.0 is the realm of communication where your avatar has interposed her? own 'thoughts'... to be continue along this general vien...

This Blog is Worthlesser than Yours

    Oh, an interestingly, even though almost all of the above is speculative fiction (hard SF), the part about the It 6.0 Consciousness is actual published fact. It is proved in my essay: In words, the resulting equation representing consciousness is, "Consciousness is always the result of the detection of a particle". 'Detection of a particle' is defined as a Measurement...

    So in fact not only does quantum mechanics provide us with a equational definition (which equation is derived in the essay--not incorporating commutatitity--so technically it is only a classical analogue for "Consciousness" so far), but quantum mechancics now apparently gives us a defiinition for an It 6.0 consciousness correlated to an It 1.0 (what we think of as our actual consciousness when we use the word commonly).

    So this blog is going to be Interesting Times for sure, as fact and fiction mingle and distort one another?

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    Dear Tommy,

    thank you for thinking of me. You write in a fascinating way. I am honoured if you have found what I have said useful in your creative endevours.It sounds very interesting but my head is a bit too fuzzy to fully get it at the moment, because I have a bad cold.

    I have also been having a lot of trouble with a misbehaving badly corrupted computer, which is now just beginning a new life with half of a reformatted "brain" and it doesn't really know what its doing! Will check out your site again soon. Best regards.

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    Thx wuz hoping that would be the case. Except the cold. Good health to you. And drink plenty of water...

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      One-Day only sale 29% off a technology newly invented for another technology, on something we already already have (and want to keep nice, new and functional)! tumblr.com is where you will find the blog (Time's Conscience).

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      Incidentally, because of synchronicity and your graciously allowing part of your thread ib our blog on Blogger.com (ThisBlogisWorthlesserThanYours), the Time's Conscience blog was started, because of a post on Alastair Reynolds blog about a new sci fi anthology from ARC. You were partly at fault (in a good way) for that, and for me unexpectedly seeing that on tumblr arc also has a writers competition for sci fi. Do you write? And is it hard science fiction? If you write, your voice would make some good short stories, I think! In your threads you sound to me like Ursela K Le. Guin or other female sf writers, so maybe you can try? I'm going to lol, if i can shut up and tell an intersting story.

      So anyway, thought i'm pass that along. Seems like a lot of work though. For example, if you turn in a short story by Apr 8 you could win 500 pounds, and 200 pounds for the top five. That's--like--not a lot in american bucks. So maybe it's only for real writers that do it regularly. Oh, forget the whole thing!!!

      29% off. Protect the things (that aren't alive) you love and use everday, so you can use them far into the future and stop upgrading every 6M and getting more riduculous contracts! Protection: a mostly good idea...

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      OK the sale was on Zaggfolios for the IPad2, keyboard+case+stand. But since I just saw on CNN tonight, they are coming out with IPad 3. Information flux insanity: give us a break developers, and let us get used to our new cool devices instead of introducing new ones before we even get used to the ones we got. Eh, nobody listens to me, literally. So count on 29% off protection for the IPad3 shortly after its invention and introduction. And before the 4 comes out! Sheesh, whatta world!