Hi John,

thank you very much indeed. This was my third attempt to produce something that was readable to the end and not indigestibly content rich. It did mean leaving out other things that I would also have liked to talk about. I feel that I have said enough to make a reasonable argument.

Our discussions on FQXi blogs, of various topics, have been helpful.In particular you have made me think hard about the direction of time, and what that means, and the concept of absolute space. What ever the outcome of the competition the ideas contained in our essays will receive wider attention. Which is progress imo. I am delighted with the feedback so far.

    Dear Eckard,

    thank you for reading my essay and for your support. I do hope that my essay proves to be relevant and useful to others.

    I have read your own essay but as it is largely concerned with mathematics, I will have to take time to gradually assimilate its content.I admire your knowledge and abilities and have no doubt of the very good sense with in it. Though our essays are very different in their approaches, we both share the desire to de mystify physics and restore realism. Let us hope that others will grasp the many reasons, you and I have given, for it to be so.

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    Georgina,

    It's nice to see someone giving the idea of space as absolute some consideration. By it's nature, it's much harder to conceptually pin down than the point about time, but instinctively it fills a very large void in the theories. Pun intended.

    On my previous comment about what modern physics would look like if it has originally evolved in the east, it occurs to me that it wouldn't even be called physics, but possibly "contextuality." With physics, we isolate the object and then try to place it back in context by finding an opposing particle to balance it. With an eastern view the balance wouldn't be hidden. It's yin and yang. Positive and negative. Black and white. Left, right. The opposites don't cancel each other out, they give each other dimension and balance. They not only exist in everything, they are everything.

    I'm not confident of getting any attention yet. The politics is a function of complexity. Like what's going on in the Middle East, it won't be a rational evolutionary change, but a breakdown of a system under increasing pressure. Far too many people have far too much invested in the whole multiworlds/multiverses meme to drop it willingly. Given the willingness to accept all the far fetched ideas that are being taken seriously, it's safe to say their logical integrity is compromised. Having seen it in many other aspects of life, I find people are all too willing accept whatever pays the bills.

    The older I get, the more bizarre the world gets and I suspect we "ain't seen nothin yet."

    John,

    I don't agree with you on all of your technical points, but I do agree with your last paragraph (and with your last sentence.)

    It appears to me that many of the people who thoroughly reject God as the creator of the universe are in process of getting ready to believe in the Computer that created the universe.

    Go figure.

    Edwin Eugene Klingman

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    heoh dear friends, she is already married hihihih

    they become crazzy Georgina, you saw now .They take gloves,hihihi they are real gentlemen wawwww

    Don't be grumpy or angry ,I am laughing I am laughing.

    Steve

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      I speak as a child but in fact it's true your essay is very interesting.Your relativistic vue of the space time is relevant.

      Regards

      Steve

      Hi Georgina, thanks for your essay. Could an Archimedes screw be the visualisation of a particle/wave duality which is currently referred to as a paradox? Do you see what I mean?

        Hi Steve,

        it is good that you feel like laughing again.

        Thank you for reading my essay and commenting. I am glad you think it is a relevant view point as we have disagreed in the past. That was perhaps because of my choice of description, which did not express clearly enough what I meant. I have avoided using those terms that seem divisive.

        I am also glad that you found it interesting. A lot of what I said will not have been new to you but I have tried to extend the ideas to show how they can be useful to practical science.

        I think I have managed to show that there most definitely is a place for relativity and that it will continue to be relevant to the observations that are made.Though it is only part of a greater reality that exists without observation. Without both aspects of reality we are left with paradox, superstition, mystery, quasi reality or non reality of everything. I suspect that some people who love the mysterious will not approve of a simple physical mechanisms that overcome the need to accept unscientific notions.

        Hi Alan ,

        did you read the essay? What did you think? I am a little disappointed if it only made you think of a screw.

        We can of course visualise whatever we like. Visualising the particle as an Archimedes screw is still trying to retain the mysterious duality without admitting a medium.If I place a beach ball on the sea and it bobs up and down on the waves and forward and back on the tide I do not say the ball has ball/wave duality.

        I was going to say more about the movement of planets and galaxies which leads on to gravity. However I avoided talking about that in the essay as it was not particularly relevant to the competition question and so is not particularly relevant now.

        If you would like to -tell me- what you mean then please go ahead.

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        Hi Joseph,

        thank you for your feedback.I am glad you liked it.

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        Edwin,

        If you look at spirituality as bottom up, that of the essence of awareness slowly evolving ever more complex forms, rather than the monotheistic top down version, in which we represent a fallen copy of a moral and intellectual ideal, the computer makes an extremely insightful metaphor. The primary biological control is the attraction of the beneficial and repulsion of the detrimental. Amoebae act on on this and it is the basis of our primal concept of good vs. bad. We intellectualize it as yes and no and then on to the on/off switches of computers.

        The classical concept of God, no matter how much power and transcendence we assign it, is fundamentally weak, since it cannot prevent injustice, keeps having to retreat into the woodwork as we gain knowledge, allows the amoral to prosper, etc.

        On the other hand, if we view it as that continuously striving raw awareness, it explains these ambiguities of elemental striving and yet ever evolving knowledge to repair the damages encountered and inflicted. Death is not evil, not a necessary resetting of the system and way to clear out old ways and gain energy, so that while we become biologically and intellectually complex, we are not encased by the implicit structures, but must constantly push against all forms.

        Computers are a tool and extension of this awareness, just as the simple tool is an extension of the hand and the hand is an extension of the mind.

        This isn't stated as clearly as I'd like, but it's a germinating idea that I'm working through.

        Sorry to highjack your thread, Georgina.

        John,

        you are always welcome.

        It is an amusing irony that Edwin has spotted.

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        Georgina,

        Computers are digital. Our mental processes are a function of distinctions. In essence, a God of judgement is digital. To the extent religion treats God as some sort of engineer/creator of the universe, it is a God of calculation. I think it works much better to just have God as the spirit. Whatever form it takes.

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        Hi Georgina,

        The theories evolve,it's a real road of harmonization in fact. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we desagree, sometimes, we doubt, sometimes we are sure, sometimes ....once upon a time...the sphere ...and its spheres.....and this SPHERE........

        I wish you a good contest.

        regards

        Steve

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        Madam,

        Your essay is quite thought provoking. However, we find some discordant notes not because of your approach, but because of the approach of mainstream physics that needs a re-look.

        You say: "The mathematical space-time model is a construct giving a mathematical representation that fits well with observations of Image reality but is not a complete model of reality. Though it contains Mc Taggart's "A series of time", past present and future, it does not include "B series time", which is passage of time or change along a sequence spanning earlier to later. Used alone Space-time allows the possibility of time travel and associated paradoxes, is a completely deterministic static model that denies free will and does not allow causality due to non simultaneity of events".

        One basic problem is that in mainstream physics, most terms are not precisely defined, but only an operational definition is given, which is often manipulated for proving different mutually inconsistent theories. We have briefly discussed this problem in our essay and elaborately discussed in various posts here. Regarding time and time travel, you may refer to those. Regarding Einstein's views, we have elaborately discussed below the essays of Mr. Castel, Mr. Granet and others. Relativity is a wrong description of facts due to the simple reason that if two frames of reference are not related by a much bigger frame of reference encompassing both, then the actions in each cannot be related to that of another. If both the frames of reference are related by a much bigger frame of reference encompassing both, then relativity vanishes. This is the A-time, B-time and C-time proposed by Einstein in his 1905 paper. Here C is the special preferred frame of reference. Thus, the relativity term simply vanishes. We have also shown that the length measurement system advocated by Einstein is wrong as described below:

        Einstein wrote in his 1905 paper: "On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies", which became his celebrated paper on SRT. Here we quote from his paper and offer our views.

        Einstein: Let there be given a stationary rigid rod; and let its length be l as measured by a measuring-rod which is also stationary. We now imagine the axis of the rod lying along the axis of x of the stationary system of co-ordinates, and that a uniform motion of parallel translation with velocity v along the axis of x in the direction of increasing x is then imparted to the rod. We now inquire as to the length of the moving rod, and imagine its length to be ascertained by the following two operations:-

        (a) The observer moves together with the given measuring-rod and the rod to be measured, and measures the length of the rod directly by superposing the measuring-rod, in just the same way as if all three were at rest.

        (b) By means of stationary clocks set up in the stationary system and synchronizing in accordance with §1, the observer ascertains at what points of the stationary system the two ends of the rod to be measured are located at a definite time. The distance between these two points, measured by the measuring-rod already employed, which in this case is at rest, is also a length which may be designated "the length of the rod".

        In accordance with the principle of relativity the length to be discovered by the operation (a) - we will call it the length of the rod in the moving system - must be equal to the length l of the stationary rod.

        The length to be discovered by the operation (b) we will call "the length of the (moving) rod in the stationary system". This we shall determine on the basis of our two principles, and we shall find that it differs from l.

        Our comments: The method described at (b) is impossible to measure by the principles described by Einstein himself. Elsewhere he has described two frames: one fixed and one moving along it. First the length of the moving rod is measured in the stationary system against the backdrop of the fixed frame and then the length is measured at a different epoch in a similar way in units of velocity of light. We can do this only in two ways, out of which one is the same as (a). Alternatively, we take a photograph of the rod against the backdrop of the fixed frame and then measure its length in units of velocity of light or any other unit. But the picture will not give a correct reading due to two reasons:

        • If the length of the rod is small or velocity is small, then length contraction will not be perceptible according to the formula given by Einstein.

        • If the length of the rod is big or velocity is comparable to that of light, then light from different points of the rod will take different times to reach the camera and the picture we get will be distorted due to the Doppler shift of different points of the rod. Thus, there is only one way of measuring the length of the rod as in (a).

        Here we are reminded of an anecdote related to Sir Arthur Eddington. Once he directed two of his students to measure the wave-length of light precisely. Both students returned with different results - one resembling the accepted value and the other different. Upon enquiry, the student replied that he had also come up with the same result as the other, but since everything including the Earth and the scale on it is moving, he applied length contraction to the scale treating Betelgeuse as a reference point. This changed the result. Eddington told him to follow the operation as at (a) above and recalculate the wave-length of light again without any reference to Betelgeuse. After sometime, both the students returned to tell that the wave-length of light is infinite. To a surprised Eddington they explained that since the scale is moving with light, its length would shrink to zero. Hence it will require an infinite number of scales to measure the wave-length of light.

        Some scientists try to overcome this difficulty by pointing out that length contraction occurs only in the direction of travel. If we hold the rod in a transverse direction to the direction of travel, then there will be no length contraction for the rod. But we fail to understand how the length can be measured by holding it in a transverse direction to the direction of travel. If the light path is also transverse to the direction of motion, then the terms c+v and c-v vanish from the equation making the entire theory redundant. If the observer moves together with the given measuring-rod and the rod to be measured, and measures the length of the rod directly by superposing the measuring-rod while moving with it, he will not find any difference what-so-ever. Thus, the views of Einstein are contrary to observation. Regarding the other points raised in your essay, we have discussed many in our essay. We will be happy to offer any clarification.

        Regards,

        basudeba

          Ahh no, I'm not advocating the idea of a medium at all. I don't believe in Einstein's spacetime contiuum idea. I'm suggesting that the graviton can be modelled by an Archimedes screw analogy. It's the mechanical structure of reality which gives a particle a wave nature. It's this helical structure which can give a particle the ability to induce a force of attraction when it interacts with another particle. If this helical screw then travelled around a hypersphere, or wraparound universe, then it would emerge on the other side as a force of repulsion i.e. dark energy.

          I'm sorry, but I was only able to skim read your essay as I have a non-mathematical background. You seemed to have the idea of visualisation of reality w.r.t the the Young's slit experiment as being of paramount importance. This is what prompted me to reply. Kind regards, Alan

          Alan,

          you may have noticed from my biography that I too have a non mathematical background and am not a physics specialist. I therefore have not taken a mathematical approach to the presentation of my ideas and argument at all.

          The essay is written in plain English and I have made considerable effort, through editing, to have only a user friendly sentence structure throughout. I have also tried very hard to reduce the content so that there is a flow of ideas that make an argument rather than just bombarding the reader with information. It is still complicated because the whole subject that it is dealing with is complex.

          I think you should make the effort to read it rather than dismiss out of hand.It is dealing with very important and foundational aspects of physics, answers questions and overcomes paradoxes. I have taken the foundation of the essay to be that in order to determine if reality is digital or analogue we must first ascertain what is meant by reality.Some new terminology is necessary because new ideas are being discussed which do not have counterparts in the English vocabulary.

          Yes I do consider a medium to be necessary. Nobel prize winner Richard Feynman considered the understanding of this experiment to be of paramount importance to the understanding of quantum physics.I have a quote by him on my final notes page. If you wish to discuss this subject with me I suggest first you read what I have said in the essay, which will explain my viewpoint.

          Dear Basudeba,

          Please call me Georgina. I refer to all other contributers by their first names unless they refer to themselves with a different name or title, so will address you in a likewise manner.

          I am glad that you have found my essay thought provoking. I am not sure when you mention discordant notes if you are referring to -my essay- or just within mainstream physics. My own essay is quite a departure from current mainstream thinking and also re-looks at relativity. It finds it to be related to the -appearance- of reality but not the underlying object reality which is where causality occurs and where the data necessary for the space-time reality to be constructed is generated.

          I have not yet read your essay as there are lots to read now and I have until recently been concentrating on writing my own.I will be interested in any correspondence of view between them, but also in any novel thinking. When /if I read your essay I will certainly place feedback and if I am able to clarify or constructively argue any of the points raised within it I will do so.In the meantime.. Good luck and kind regards Georgina.