Essay Abstract

Our contention, is that reality is actually analog, but that at a critical limit, as when the Octonian gravity condition kicks in, that for a time it appears discrete. This due to al phase transition at the start of the big bang. Our second consideration is, that symmetry breaking models, i.e. the Higgs boson are not necessary for the formation of particles with mass just before Octonionic gravity which could arise in pre Planckian physics models without a potential. Finally, the necessity of potentials for pre Octonionic gravity physics can be circumvented via Sherrer k essence physics

Author Bio

Andrew Beckwith, Born December 15, 1954. Affiliated with Chongquing University Dept of physics, institute of theoretical science. Specialization in theoretical modeling for GW astronomy. PhD at U of Houston, 2002. Frequent conference attendee , last conference of note Dark Side of Universe, 2010, Leon, Mexico, Beyond the Standard Model 2010, Capetown, S.A. invited speaker at Dark 2009, Cantebury, New Zealand, and contributor to DICE 2010, Italy, and was a cotnributo of the Erice Nucleare Physics, 2009. Will attend Rencontres De Moriond, representing China, PRC in experimental GW astronomy work, for Chongquing, PRC.

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Hello Andrew,

It is good to see you in the contest. Your paper is highly technical, and may lose some folks, but since I've been around the block with you on some of the formalism and its derivation - I will likely have a few interesting questions. I'll have to give it a more thorough reading, but for now I'll ask this.

In the section on extending Penrose's cyclical universe theory, you state that "there are no fewer than N universes undergoing Penrose's infinite expansion," and you use N in equation 46 without explaining how it is defined. What does N quantify, and how large might it be?

All the Best,

Jonathan J. Dickau

6 days later

Hello again,

I read it through. It appears that you mean N to represent the degrees of freedom which arise during the Planck epoch. We have privately discussed how spatial dimensions are traded for degrees of freedom as one approaches the Planck scale from the macroscopic realm and how the degrees of freedom may go to 1000 or more, in the initital phase of the universe, shortly after the Planck time has elapsed.

Your explanations are not quite adequate to the subtleties you attempt to describe in this essay, but is is a nice 'tour' of those cosmological scenarios which are strongly influenced by the choice of N, or by its evolution. Although I'm not totally happy with this as an essay on analog vs digital, however, it is a fine Physics letter, in terms of briefly describing the basis for your current work, and spelling out different directions you can go with it. A nice job overall, though as I say it's a bit scattered.

It would have been better, had you taken more time to explain why the sub-Planckian realm is like the calm center of a cyclone, which allows for a smoothly-varying fluid phase. Presumably this would exist between iterations, in a cyclical universe scenario such as that proposed by Penrose.

And then you would be saying that each degree of freedom provides a 'doorway' between prior and currently evolving universes. An interesting thought!

All the Best,

Jonathan

    You got the essence of my point.

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    And then you would be saying that each degree of freedom provides a 'doorway' between prior and currently evolving universes. An interesting thought!

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    I should have put this in, as you did.

    Andy

    The fact each degree of freedom provides a "gateway" from a prior to the present universe would lead to enable a chaotic mixing mapping. The existence of the chaotic mixing would lead to an analog description, de facto. Since such a mapping is NOT digital at all.

    I think it is important to get away from these notions of assigning degrees of freedom to space or spacetme. In a lattice picture this amounts to N^3 or N^4 degrees of freedom for space and spacetime respectively. However, the boundary of spacetime, or horizons, if they contain degrees of freedom then there are only 2^N. This is a significant reduction in the amount of entropy one assigns to spacetime. This is one reason LQG has a hard time recovering a classical limit.

    There is an interesting paper by Davies, where he argues there are 10^123 bit flips in the entire universe. There are 400 to 500 bits and possible 10^123 entangled bit flips corresponds to the total number of elementary particles, or string modes possible. The E_8xE_8 has 2x248 = 496 particle states. The implication is that the universe may only contain one of every type of elementary particle. So the electrons running around the circuit board in my computer, is the same as all the electrons in the entire universe. This holographic projection of fields onto the AdS boundary, or equivalently the cosmological boundary, is a form of Feynman's original concept of the path integral where a particle in effect covers the entire universe.

    I could go on with this, but is sounds utterly insane to say that there are only 496 particles in the universe. There is an associated quantum entanglement entropy and information in the universe which is considerably larger. This gives rise to decoherent classes or sets which is why we perceive there are so many particles or "atoms" in the universe.

    The appearance of degrees of freedom can potentially be an illusion. A measurement of a quantum system is ultimately an entanglement process. You entangle a system with another, which removes the superposition of the original system and puts it into an entanglement. So if you measure a two state system with another two states system, which I break out below, a naïve assumption is there are four degrees of freedom. However, in reality there are only two. So this issue is related to the occurrence of classical physics and the measurement problem.

    A spin system has in the basis of the Pauli matrix σ_z the states |+> and |-> for spin up and down. The Pauli matrix acts on these states as

    σ_z| +/-> = +/-| +/->.

    Now these states are complex numbers, which means there are 2 variables for each state and thus 4 altogether. However, there are constraints, such as the probability Born rule 1 = P_+ + P_-, P_ +/- = |a_ +/-|^2 for a state |ψ> = a_+|+> + a_-|->, and irrelevance of a phase in real valued measurements. So this reduces the number of variables from 4 to 4 - 2 = 2. That is just what we would expect.

    Now let us consider two spin systems, say two electrons. The use of electron spin state is not concrete, for these arguments hold just as well for polarization direction of photons. So we have two sets of states and operators {σ_z, | +/->}^1 {σ_z, | +/->}^2 denoted with an additional index i = 1, 2 and we still have

    σ ^i_z| +/->^i = +/-| +/->^i.

    We can form two independent states |ψ>^i = a^i_+|+>^i + a^i_-|->^i for the two spin systems. For each there are 4 variables and 2 constraints. This gives 4 degrees of freedom in total. Yet we can compose these spin states in various ways. One way of doing this is

    |ψ> = (1/sqrt{2})(|+>|-> + e^{iφ}|-> |+>),

    where I have dropped the index i, and we just implicitly see the first and second | +/-> as i = 1 and 2. This makes reading things clearer. The e^{iσ} is a phase which for it equal + and - the state |ψ> is not an eigenstate of σ^i and is an eigenstate of σ ^i respectively. So these are singlet and triplet state configurations. This is an entangled state. If you have access to | +/->^1 then you also have access to | +/->^2, and this holds no matter how far apart these states end up as. You can entangle two electrons by overlapping their wave functions. One that is done you can separate them arbitrarily far and they are still entangled.

    Now let us count the degrees of freedom for this state. We have again 4 variables for each | +/->}^i but now we have one constraint from Born rule and another from the entanglement state. So you have 6 independent variables with 4 constraints giving 2 in total. This is the basic bipartite entanglement. There are also n-partite entanglements, such as the W and GHZ states.

    So assume there are states given by SO(32) or E_8xE_8, which number 496. One of those states is an electron, another is an up quark and so forth. In the entire superspace each of these particle zig-zags through all space and has a configuration in a vast number of forms. These multi-threaded paths, in how Feynman originally thought of the path integral, are then eigenstates in a pure state. However, the observable universe is an entanglement with states in the rest of the superspace, and each particle is a local entanglement with particles in the whole "zig-zag." So we have this illusion of there being a vast number of degrees of freedom, with a huge number of duplicate particles. However, they may all the same particle. An electron running through you computer is the same as an electron being pushed as an exiton in photosynthesis in a leaf in Gabon and is identical to an electron in an accretion disk transport and the same electron everywhere.

    Some of the machinery I am building up should lead to this understanding. At least this is one of the objectives.

    Cheers LC

    6 days later

    Hi all,

    Interesting ! if the thermodynamicla proportionalities of degrees of freedom are really and truly respected of course.Don't forget that the ubiquity of a particle and all mass in fact is just an illusion, that's why the hidden vraibles and actions at distance have no sense respecting the real interpretation of our physicality in EVOLUTION OF MASS.Now if a real Occham Razor is applied , that can be interesting.

    Dear Lawrence, could you develop a virtual 3d computer, or holographe in 3D, I have some ideas for a perception of this 3D topology really.Whith of course a spherical field and inside the codes topological and the pictures.You imagine the 3D pictures just in front of our eyes.The ergonomy can be optimized adapted to the body.It's possible you think?I think you can make it,you play easily with maths.The topological coded frequences spherical seem very relevant for the reencoding of informations for the pictures and its continuity.But all that seems difficult.

    Best Regards

    Steve