Hello John,

After many wonderful conversations with you on this topic, it was great to finally read the beginning of your attempt to put your rich ideas into some coherent structure.

My comments concern points that I would hope you can eventually expand upon and/or clarify.

1) I must admit that, as a mathematical Platonist, mathematical theorems for me are eternal truths which exist independently of my "subjective reality".

On page 2, you describe mathematical facts and scientific laws as examples of items neither exclusively objective nor subjective. What do you mean by this?

2) I completely agree with your statement that the failure of our theories to effectively model the present "exposes their incompleteness".

However, I must admit that your description of the present as "a place outside of spacetime" is unclear to me. Could you clarify?

3) Perhaps this has been said before, but your insightful description of general relativity as "no becoming, only being" and quantum theory as "no objective being, only becoming" was new, and beautiful, to me.

Evoking the still-fresh dialog between Heraclitus and Parmenides is precisely the point here in my opinion, for it is this fundamental tension between change and stasis that leads to all of the critical dichotomies. All of them, discrete/continuous, wave/particle, freedom/determinism, infinite/finite, time/space, past/future etc. are mere shadows of this one fundamental dichotomy.

I'm hoping that a future version of this essay will elaborate further on this point.

4) Finally, and this is not intended to be a criticism, the last two pages are extremely dense with ideas that need to be expanded upon in a future edition. The ideas introduced here are rich indeed, but the exposition is too terse. I have the privilege on having heard them in expanded form, over glasses of good red wine, but your other readers deserve more (of the ideas, not necessarily the wine).

Thanks for taking the time to write this essay.

    John,

    Don't worry. I'm in the same boat. I first began studying physics in a search for objectivity, but find the field rife with many of the same conceptual and professional contradictions inherent in other fields. Given the lack of real theoretical advances over the last generation, effort has mostly gone to patching the holes in the old models, more than figuring why they exist in the first place. The usual response to any suggestion of questioning the model usually elicits replies that there is no more rigorous model and mere suppositions have no such foundation.

    Which over looks the profoundly natural process by which only structures grow corrupted and unwieldy and when they fall, are not always replaced by ones only slightly less unwieldy, but the seeds of ideas that do have to grow and compete. I think we are all waiting for the denouement, such as not discovering supersymmetric particles by the LHC, or the discovery of galaxies older than the presumed age of the universe, in order to have the space for new ideas to flourish.

    Greg,

    Thank you for your careful reading and generous comments. I agree that parts, particularly the last parts, are extremely dense. I was limited by contest rules to 25,000 characters, without spaces. The original essay had perhaps three times that many. At the end, as the deadline drew near, I was combing the essay, looking for things to cut or condense. It was a good exercise. I will expand on those areas you commented on, and others, and look forward to the next face to face over a bottle of red wine.

    Hello dear John Gadway,

    It's full of relevance.

    I see also you work in microfinances, do you have contact in Africa helping the very small enterprize.Microfinances +good governance....prosperity+education....harmony.

    Good luck and all the best

    Steve

      Steve,

      You've got to use past tense. I worked quite a bit in Africa in the 1980's--Cameroon, Ghana, [then] Zaire, Lesotho, and in North Africa, Tunisia. I got out of the field just as it was getting hot, after marrying a local counterpart consultant from Jakarta. I was always an independent, short-term consultant, working on projects funded by the World Bank, USAID, GTZ, the IDB [el BID, in Spanish], and so forth. I am the author of something I got tired of explaining called the Fundamental Theorem of Micro-Finance, which is based on the fact that savings and deposit facilities are economic substitutes for each other. Since financial intermediaries use deposit facilities as a source of loanable funds correct relative pricing of the two facilities is extremely important. The FTMF predicts that well-run sustainable financial institutions targeting the "poorest of the poor" with financial services will be cash-rich and in no need of external sources of funds to manage. It is a demand phenomenon not sensitive to interventions on the supply side. It was not a message the donor agencies gearing up to make hundreds of millions of dollars available for micro-loans wanted to hear. But I never had to look for a job. When I would come back from Africa, Bolivia or Bangladesh, there would be new job offers waiting for me. But, like I said, I got tired of being a voice crying in the wilderness.

      Oh yes, I loved working in rural Africa. You can have the cities, however. I also got tired of my hair falling out because of the chloroquine, and I got malaria twice [Zaire and Ghana.]

      Thanks for the comment!

      if you have a job for me I go , I am here, if you want I have several models and inventions, Here in Belgium frankly I am not useless and my economical situation is catastrophic.In all case , the centralization of universalist scientists seems important.

      If I can create a physical base for the sciences center of research,that will be easier for the synergies between systems,we could produce many things.

      ps I have invented a global technic against malaria,simple and concrete, natural.

      Happy to know you,

      Best Regards

      Steve

      I am not a physicist or familiar with the Standard Model or Einstein's General Theory, so maybe this is the proverbial "stupid" question. The first place where I jump the track in reading is on page 4, where you say "The Standard Model of particle physics, for example, associates each dimensionless point in the four-dimensional spacetime of Einstein's General Theory with a number of smooth geometric objects that are not contained physically within these dimensionless points but somehow external to them and to spacetime, or even 'above them.'"

      I think four-dimensional spacetime encompasses an infinite number of dimensionless points, so I assume these are the points you are talking about. But what are those "smooth geometric objects"? Each point is associated with "a number" of geometric objects. How many per point? How big are the objects, and what are their shapes? And what's their function in the model? If I'm being too literal or concrete about this, tell me what's behind the metaphor.

        John Gadway,

        I rather enjoyed your essay. If you were a physicist I would choose to argue a few points with you, but as one who is in it for love of understanding I think you have done very well.

        I don't know what level of mathematics you use in micro-finance, but I invite you to read my current essay here.

        Depending upon your level of interest I would also invite you to my previous essay Fundamental Physics of Consciousness.

        I enjoyed your perspective that treats consciousness as a part of the universe that cannot be ignored by physics. More and more physicists are coming to that view.

        Finally I like your comment: "The fact that our foundational theory of physical systems can be expressed equivalently in both digital and analog form may be the closest that science may get to a Zen-like statement about ultimate reality."

        Welcome to the fqxi contest, and good luck.

        Edwin Eugene Klingman

          Thank you for your comments.

          If I could persuade you to take more time to help me see where my limited technical knowledge has led me to misstate alleged facts, I would greatly appreciate it. As I indicated in my response to the first comment, I am hopeful that some competent physicist will take the time to take me to task for any misrepresentations of fact. I feel that I am in an open boat on the high seas without a life preserver.

          I will take a look at you essay, since it is a topic that interests me greatly.

          As to my [limited] sophistication in math, I had several years of calculus at Tulane MANY years ago as a pre-med chemistry major. I dropped that course of study in my sophomore [pre-med] and junior [chemistry] years, not because I was having trouble with the course work, but for what I guess were psychological reasons. I just couldn't see myself in such well-defined careers. I stayed on at Tulane to get a Ph.D. in German literature as an alternative to getting drafted into the Vietnam war.

          After a short stint as a German Professor at SIU I resigned to become a graduate student in Economics, thinking that would get me more in touch with the real world. That's not the direction the focus on micro-economics took, however, which was very mathematical, proving theorems about the behavior of economic man based on axioms that were obviously only remotely connected to the things that motivated me. But it did get me involved again in the study of math. I struggled through a senior level course in the math department on probability theory, eventually getting an A in the course, but without grasping the fact that the probability mathematics dealt with was not the kind of stuff I had hoped to discover. I had naively imagined that probability was somehow real, perhaps like the earlier idea that heat was a real substance that flowed from hot to cold. It was a frustrating, confusing time for me, and I have been struggling to make sense of my intuitions since then. I believe that alternative futures are real in the sense that we make real choices, draining probability from some future events and pouring it into others as we approach superimposed mutually exclusive events. By this measure, even the present has a probable existence, it is just VERY probable, and so does the past. Words don't get us all the way there, but they get us closer than math does. Math is for model-building and map-making, indispensable for technology and for giving us some perspective on what we have to deal with, reality, but models do not comprehend cold beer and hot chowder, which is over here, where we are, in reality.

          Oops, I got going.

          Thanks again for your comments. I will be sure to take a look at your essay, and may make a comment of my own.

          John,

          I did not mean to imply that you had misstated any alleged facts. I found no such errors in your essay. What I would argue as a physicist is the 'facts' that are alleged.

          You correctly state:

          "Physical reality is non-local. This recently discovered aspect of reality is further evidence of the illusory nature of physical realty. Spatial separation is clearly not what generations of physicists presumed it to be."

          and

          "The frozen being of the four-dimensional block universe of the General Theory dissolves in the warm becoming of the present."

          While these statements are correct, this does not mean the facts are correct. There has been quite a bit of back-and-forth on various fqxi blogs, and even the first essay contest on 'the Nature of Time' as to whether the 'block universe' is real or a mathematical figment. The details are too many to deal with here.

          The issue of non-locality is much more controversial. Your statement is correct, but only last month Joy Christian, on another fqxi blog presents an argument [that I believe] that Bell incorrectly calculated his inequality, and if so, all of the so-called 'violations' of his inequality are meaningless, and the arguments against local realism are false.

          Again, these are highly technical points that I argue with physicists about, but the books you are basing these statements on were written by people with more credibility than me. [Which of course does not necessarily make them correct.]

          You mention "and I have been struggling to make sense of my intuitions". We are all doing so, and the non-local, non-real implications of Bell's inequality [if taken as truth] makes this almost impossible. That is why we find so many competent physicists believing that "information" is physically real [much as you "had naively imagined that probability was somehow real"] and this leads them to propose 'giant computers in the sky' [or in some other dimension or universe, etc] and conjecture that we are in a virtual reality. So this is a very special time in which more physicists are confused than ever. It does make things interesting.

          I like your statement that "I believe that alternative futures are real in the sense that we make real choices, draining probability from some future events and pouring it into others as we approach superimposed mutually exclusive events." It may be more poetic than physical, but it does recognize free will as a reality to be dealt with. In a block universe or multiverse these unwilled future may be 'real', but I do not take this to literally true.

          I also like "By this measure, even the present has a probable existence, it is just VERY probable, and so does the past. Words don't get us all the way there, but they get us closer than math does. Math is for model-building and map-making, indispensable for technology and for giving us some perspective on what we have to deal with, reality, but models do not comprehend cold beer and hot chowder, which is over here, where we are, in reality."

          As is often the case, the comments are as interesting as the essays!

          And as for your math, calculus is all you need to read my essay, although 'vector calculus' would help.

          I hope I've clarified my earlier comment and look forward to your comments about my essay.

          Edwin Eugene Klingman

          I down-loaded and read your essay yesterday and was able to follow it enough to realize it deserves re-reading. I will have some comments shortly. I also looked up some of your books on Amazon, and will order one or two.

          Thanks for your comments. I hope some of mine on your essay, and on your thoughts in general, will be stimulating.

          Lee,

          What I know about the Standard Model and Einstein's General theory is what I find in books physicists write for laymen like us. Here's what I understand:

          • The space-time of General Relative is a four-dimensional mathematical continuum, R4.

          • Einstein's field equations are based on continuous mathematics.

          • Quantum field theory--likewise based on continuous mathematics--overlays this four-dimensional continuum with various mathematical fields.

          I understand from my reading that there are two mathematically equivalent ways of modeling a physical system, such as the universe as a whole. One is a "state vector" in infinite-dimensional Hilbert space. A properly defined Hamiltonian operates on this vector to model the evolution of the physical system. The length and orientation of this vector at any point corresponds to a 'state' of the universe at that point. This mathematical structure can be represented by a wave function defined on complex variables [variables of the form a + bi, where i is the square root of negative 1], which evolves according to the Schrödinger equation--the same guy of the alive/dead cat. The variables which are the arguments of the wave function are somehow associated with the points in four-dimensional space-time.

          If this understanding is way off base, hopefully some competent mathematical physicist who comes across this essay will correct me. The point that I insist on is that the mathematics, however accurately it may model reality, is an artifact of the model. Reality is not at all constrained by the assumptions on which the mathematics is built. The model is useful in dealing with reality, indispensable, in fact, when it comes to technology, but it should not be confused with reality, anymore than a road map should be confused with the country though which you might be passing.

          But to proceed, the idea of using fields to model physical reality goes back to Faraday, who first described the "lines of force" that connect the two poles of a magnet. Faraday was not mathematically sophisticated but had great physical intuition. The Scottish mathematical physicist James Clerk Maxwell was able to give a rigorous mathematical expression to Faraday's fields and to demonstrate that electricity and magnetism were different aspects of a single field, the electro-magnetic field. It was the first great unification in physics since Newton had unified celestial and terrestrial mechanics with his law of gravitation.

          Maxwell's equations produced a value for the speed at which disturbances in the electromagnetic field propagated, which happened to match the measured speed of light, suggesting that light was a form of electromagnetic radiation. Since light was understood to be a wave, physicists conjured up a medium in which the wave could propagate--the so-called luminiferous ether. After experimentalists were unable to detect the ether, Einstein, in his anno mirabilis, building on the assumption that the measured speed of light was constant, developed his special theory of relativity. When his 1905 paper on the photoelectric effect convinced most physicists that light was made up of particles--photons--these particles, which transmit the electromagnetic force, were considered to be 'excitations' of the electromagnetic field. My sense is that the mathematics didn't make intuitive sense to physicists unless the associated matter particle--the electron--had the same ontological status as the force particle. So electrons, too, came to be understood as 'excitations' of the electromagnetic field.

          Notice what happened here. Physicists once had assumed that light needed a medium--material 'stuff'--in which to propagate. When experimentalists were unable to discover direct evidence of this medium, the mathematical theoreticians came to the rescue. Instead of assuming the existence of material 'stuff' pervading all of space they assumed that space was pervaded by the electromagnetic field, something much less substantial and much more abstract than material ether. Something similar had happened earlier in physics, when the notion that heat was a substance--caloric--was abandoned in favor of the idea that heat was a manifestation of energy, itself an abstraction of no more substance than a mathematical field.

          Maxwell's equations proved to be one of the most important discoveries of all of science. They underwrite most of the technological revolution that exploded in the latter half of the 19th Century and which continues to explode today. These equations were soon modified to incorporate relativistic effects of Einstein's Special Theory, producing quantum electro-dynamics, QED, or quod erat demonstratum.

          Because of the elegance and success of QED physicists began applying the quantum field model as a way of describing other known forces, particularly the strong and weak nuclear forces. The standard model of particle physics is a quantum theory of fields that allows physicists to make very precise predictions about the interaction of elementary particles that experience the strong, weak and electromagnetic forces. The eventual experimental discovery of the matter and force particles predicted by these fields is considered evidence for their real existence. That's why there is so much interest in the possible discovery of the Higgs boson--a force particle that would provide evidence for the existence of the Higgs field, assumed in the standard model to provide the mechanism whereby the observed matter particles obtain mass.

          I picked up the idea of "smooth geometric objects" from a book written by a physicist for laymen like you and me, but, at the moment, I don't recall in which of the several hundred such books in my library I found this phrase. I assume that the term "smooth" refers to the fact that the mathematical fields in which these objects appear is continuous, and that they are considered to be 'objects' because physicists need a certain number of dimensions or degrees of freedom to describe the defining characteristics of elementary particles and force carriers.

          My point, of course, is that these "smooth objects" are pure abstractions, without substance, and visible only to the trained mind's eye. I am trying to motivate my idea that reality is not to be found at the level of elementary particles--certainly not at the level of the strings and branes of M-theory--but at the level, as I said in the essay, of cold beer and hot chowder. I think looking for reality in some fundamental 'substance' is a subtle effect of a kind of linguistic determinism. The word real, as I'm sure you know, is based on the Latin word 'res,' for 'thing. I much prefer the German word Wirklichkeit, an abstract noun formed on the verb wirken, a cognate of English word 'work,' in the sense of 'to have a [desired] effect,' like the medicine worked. Reality is what has an effect, or, as I said in the essay, reality is what we have to deal with. Looking for it at the level of subatomic particles may be a fool's errand.

          Does this help?

          Edwin,

          I re-read your essay with increasing interest and frustration with my limited fluency in math. I dealt with vector calculus a bit in my years as a graduate student in economics, but it was at the level of "math for social sciences." I hope nevertheless, despite my lack of technical expertise, to be able to make a few comments that you may find stimulating.

          First, Full Disclosure: I come to the discussion from a worldview heavily influenced by my Catholic background and some intense personal experiences which convince me that in addition to there being something "out there," there is also something "over there." I believe, in a nutshell, that the universe is not indifferent to our being here, that it responds to us, and that, in a real sense, it is here for us. On the other hand, I do not believe in supernatural intervention in the course of events in this world. In my view, phenomena are strictly of this world. I do not reject the power of prayer to influence events, but I believe this power, such as it may be, works through natural causes that are part of the structure of physical reality.

          Regarding the local vs. non-local nature of reality:

          I first came across this issue in the mid-1980s, just several years after the Aspect experiments in Paris had convinced most physicists that the Bell inequality does not hold, and that reality, contrary to the EPR position, must therefore be non-local. At the time I had been reading [or reading about] David Bohm with great fascination, not being aware, of course, where the intellectual fault lines separating the major issues and combatants lay.

          What interested me in the idea that physical reality could be non-local is the need I felt, absent

          supernatural intervention or revelation, for the universe to connect agents with the consequences of

          their actions as a means of generating knowledge, self consciousness, and ultimately, empathy and a sense of moral responsibility. To me it seems that the possibility of moral action, something readily observable in our world, even in its negation, requires that the consequences of an act would have to be present in some sense immediately--much like the elements in a geometric structure are present all at once. Einstein's General Theory would offer an example of such a structure, where individual events separated in our view by vast stretches of space and time are connected immediately in the eternal present of four-dimensional space-time. It seems to me that if consequences are not somehow implicit in conscious acts there is no basis for moral responsibility and no need for consciousness, and, as that great myth of creation put it, no need for or even the possibility of the knowledge of good and evil. But if the future is, in principle, unknowable, as I argue it must be if the universe is to accommodate free will, the very geometric structure that somehow does away with past and future and places all events in a kind of frozen simultaneity would also have to be dynamic, that is, it would also have to permit reality to evolve forever out of the changing potential that is our experience of the present. To become conscious we would have to be able to experience and actively participate in our becoming, rather than just being. We would have to be able to change as a result of experiencing the consequences of our actions.

          The behavior of time seems to hint that these seemingly contradictory requirements--the instantaneousness of events in a geometric structure and the evolution of that structure, with effect following cause--may be accommodated in the physical universe. Effects--consequences--propagate in the physical universe at the maximum speed permitted by special relativity, betraying reality's dynamic nature, rooted in a kind of locality, which is needed to ensure causality, etc. Yet, from the perspective of the force-carrying particles that that project effects over long distances--the photons for example, and the presumed carrier of the gravitational force, the graviton--the time needed to travel any distance between emission and absorption, between cause and effect, is zero. Therefore, from the perspective of the parts of the presumed mechanism that connects cause with effect, there is, as Newton observed, spooky instantaneous action at a distance. Despite Einstein's best efforts, both special and general theories of reality seem to leave the door open to the Zen-like possibility that physical reality is both local and non-local, perhaps as the need or circumstance requires.

          In addition to these hand-waving and rather intuitive arguments for non-locality, there also seems to be a hint in the mathematics of classical physics that reality is non-local, at least from my limited layman's understanding of the calculus of variations. How, for example, does the electromagnetic field calculate the path of a bolt of lightning to ensure that the electrons flow along the path of least resistance? Don't both ends of the integral have to be known for the calculation to be done? The consequence--the path chosen--has to be known in some sense before it can be identified as the path of least action. Or did I miss something here?

          Incidentally, the day I followed up your first comment on my essay I found that link to the blog with Jay Christian, which I followed for some time. You probably understand now that possible problems with Bell's proof do not have much impact on my experientially-motivated intuition that reality is in some sense non-local.

          Regarding how consciousness couples with matter, individuals as foci of consciousness, and related topics:

          I really like the idea of a C-field and your assertion that consciousness is fundamental. I also believe that consciousness is fundamental, and that by taking this position we are rushing in where angels--but not Teilhard de Chardin--fear to tread. I must admit that I don't yet quite get how the C-field emerges or is generated from the gravitational field in your analysis, but this personal blind spot is not that significant to me, given all the other things about mathematical physics I cannot follow. For my own consumption for many years I have thought of "will" as a real physical force, analogous to gravity in many respects, which operates on events at the micro or quantum level. The force of one's will would be a function of one's level of consciousness, much like gravity is proportional to mass/energy, but, unlike gravity, it would be possible to shield events and systems from this force, turning it on and off, as it were, by acts of will. We are, I suspect, a long way from being able to specify this force mathematically, but some kind of dimensional analysis should be possible. There are, after all, a lot of observations and reasonable conjectures we could make about this hypothetical physical force that are closer to phenomena than the speculations of M-Theory with all its mathematical wizardry.

          Perhaps you noticed in my essay that I speculated that in a world with free will there could be no such thing as a completely random event. Instead of looking for hidden variables, perhaps Einstein and Bohm should have been looking for a hidden force, except that the force of our wills is not very well hidden. We project it into the world all the time, and the world responds. I am convinced that the world attends upon us, waiting to reconfigure itself as best it can to the shaping force of our wills, subject to the constraints placed by other wills and the potential residing in the present.

          In addition to believing that consciousness is fundamental I also believe that individuals, which I refer to as foci of consciousness in my essay, are fundamental in the sense that they, unlike previous candidates for fundamental particles, cannot be sub-divided or analyzed into constituent parts. There is no such thing as half an individual, nor does anyone seem to have an idea of what the constituent parts of an individual, as distinct from an individual's body, might be. You can have essentially the same relationship with half a loaf of bread or half an apple that you can have with the whole loaf or the entire fruit, but you cannot even find half and individual, or even half a dog. We might seem to be playing with words here, but words are close to experienced reality in a way that math cannot be. Math, moreover, in its present state of development, seems peculiarly ill-suited for dealing with the individuality, particularly when the subject is an individual that has achieved a level of consciousness that we recognize as personhood. The relation "is equal to," for example, is totally useless except in the trivial sense that a person may be considered equal to his or her self. But it is precisely at the level of a person, by our hypothesis, where we would expect to find the most obvious evidence for of the force of will.

          Identifying individuals, particularly individuals that have developed self-consciousness, as the origin of the force of will, much as massive bodies may be thought of as the origin of the force of gravity, would be one of the 'dimensions' or characteristics of will that theoreticians would work with in attempting to specify it in such a way that experimentalist could begin designing ways to measure it.

          Note that the number of individuals may be hypothesized to be a conserved quantity, at least locally or in a closed system. For example, according to official casualty figures, when the Titanic left Queenstown, Ireland on April 11, 1912, it carried 2,224 individuals among its passengers and crew. When it sank on April 14, 711 of these individuals were rescued and taken to New York by the Carpathia, leaving 1,513 individuals unaccounted for. These missing individuals constitute a prima facie case for the violation of the presumed conservation law. But what if we stay with our hypothesized law for the sake of argument, to see where it leads?

          I am reminded of the way Pauli used conservation laws to predict the existence of an elusive, difficult to detect particle that he posited would carry off the momentum missing in certain interactions involving other fundamental particles. Electric charge was conserved, so, he reasoned, the hypothetical particle would have to be electrically neutral. Mass also seemed to be conserved within the limits of experimental delectability, so the elusive particle would have to have no rest mass, like the photon, or would be very light. Note that if Pauli had questioned the law of conservation of momentum he would not have been able to predict the existence of the neutrino. Similarly, theorists who do not accept the law of local conservation of individuals, at least as a working hypothesis, cannot predict the existence of--much less describe--the elusive particle that carries off an individual at the moment of death, often referred to as the soul.

          It is easy to see my Catholic heritage seeping in here. But it's also easy to see why hard scientific evidence for the existence or non-existence of the soul is so difficult to find: The theoreticians have given the experimentalist almost nothing to work with.

          For about 30 years now I have experienced a personal phenomenon that could easily be written off by skeptics as "mere coincidences." But it is not so easy to be skeptical of one's own experiences--or even necessarily the best course of action--when these experiences are common occurrences, when they fit into well-defined patterns, and when they have an important emotional component. I am in the early stage of writing a book in which I develop these ideas, my worldview. This gestating book would benefit greatly from critical comments by physicists, mathematicians and other scientists, which is the reason I decided to enter the fqxi contest--to make contact with people like you who might be willing to comment. I have given my slowly emerging book the tentative title: Our Different World: Exploring the Moral Foundation of Physical Reality. The title is a play on the idea that most scientists consider the world indifferent to our being here. I touch upon this topic in my essay when I note that the very indifference of all but one of the laws of physics to our presence is what makes them available for our use. We could not work with tools that have an agenda!

          I hope to begin posting drafts of chapters for comment this spring, and hope that you will stick with me, as your time and schedule permits. I will also post a copy of this reply as a comment on your essay.

          Thanks again for taking the time to read and comment on my essay, and for your welcome reply to my response to your comment.

          John,

          Thanks for the extended response above. I regret that you were frustrated by the math involved, and of course this particular essay did not focus on the issues that interest you most. You mentioned Amazon, and I can say that "The God Particle" book is non-mathematical and more directly addresses your interests. The 'Gene Man's World' is the mathematical version thereof. I could not find your email, but if you'd like to contact me using the email on my essay, I would be happy to continue this.

          Our interests are closer than you might have gathered from my essay.

          Edwin Eugene Klingman

          John

          Very interesting essay with an original approach. Excellent for a non physicist (which I am strictly too). That's worth a good score in this company.

          I hope you might be able to have a last minute read of mine which positively establishes reality, - from a conceptual logic and empirical approach. I hope you get a chance to read it (it's doing well but could do with the points!) as times now running out, but you may be astonished. It's fully consistent with Edwins.

          http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/803

          Very best wishes

          Peter

            I think I can create it in Belgium. I have had several contacts this last week.I am happy,it's time,hope I will be good in the communication.Thus of course I can't accept a job or others. I must focus on this sciences center now that I have a bank and a system which helps me for the business plan and this and that, the administration I dislike that but I must be professional and I must adapt me after all.If one day you want collaborate in all case for our fellow man , of course you are welcome as all universalists.

            Best Regarsd

            Steve

            Peter,

            I'm on a road trip right now, so could only take a cursory look at your essay, which, naturally, strains my limited mathematical sophistication. But I will take another look at it when I get back to my office next week, too late to contribute an evaluation. Thanks for your comments. I did not enter the contest with any thought of winning, but in the hope I would draw some comment and critique from physicists and mathematicians.

            I suspect that only one person has evaluated my essay [Edwin?], which has remained a 7 from the first day a grade appeared.

            Thanks again.

            John,

            As I'm sure you are aware, your above comment is packed with too much information for me to respond in the manner it fully deserves. But, re-reading it, I did notice a point I wish to respond to:

            You say: "For my own consumption for many years I have thought of "will" as a real physical force, analogous to gravity in many respects, which operates on events at the micro or quantum level."

            As I develop in 'Gene Man's World', I began by trying to think of how the "will" could actually act on matter, as occurs when I jump or raise my arm. My basic assumption was that there must be some 'force' acting, and so I decided to try to analyze this force in physics terms, since my actions occur in the physical universe.

            I will simply cut to the chase and say that the simplest, and seemingly most likely approach to this problem led to filling an obvious 'hole' in physics. I proceeded to try to develop the 'physics' of this approach, and was surprised (and that's putting it mildly) when I found that Maxwell had, based only on symmetry, derived the same equations a century and a half ago. He and others concluded that the force would be too weak to be taken seriously, so they dropped it. But recent cosmological phenomena suggest a stronger force, and Martin Tajmar (see references in my essay) actually experimentally tested the force and found it to be 31 orders of magnitude greater than originally believed, which agreed with my calculations based on reasonable assumptions.

            The rest is laid out in the aforementioned book.

            Thanks again for your extended response.

            Edwin Eugene Klingman