The Body-Mind Problem As a Play Between Coherence and Decoherence by Ulla Marianne Mattfolk

As Matti is controversial I have tried to have many links, so the controversy should not be so hard to accept. There are many famous scientists with about the same iseas, as Vitiello, which is a CERN physicist.

Mattis p-adic hierarchy is maybe most controversial of all, but still it gives a very nice solution to the hierarchy problem. I am not competent to valuate its correctness, but there are another essay here from Robert Paster dealing with this problem.

http://www.fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/815

Matti is not alone with the thoughts of an hierarchy pf the Planck scales either.

http://www.galaxyzooforum.org/index.php?topic=272147.0

The nature of living matter lies in its plasticity, complexity and reactiveness. It has an expanding - reduction (induction-deduction) of mass and energy, also seen in the redox-potentials and the creation of negentropy. This is the secret of why life is carbon-based too. Carbon is the only element that has 8 'configurations' (an octonion).

Theory of Carbon Signaling. Negentropy vs Entropy - Emergence of Self Propagated Biological Systems. Radoslav Sabev Bozov 650-154, WSEAS conference, February 23, 2011.

http://www.wseas.us/conferences/2011/cambridge/CambridgeProgram2.doc

I have discussed much with Radoslav.

It is interesting that even physicists begin to see clues for the Higgs boson in graphene.

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/44994

The plasticity is seen as instance in the brain. That is why we see mostly complexity and decoherence there, and learning and change. We must look twice to also see the coherence and quantum physics, explained by Huping Hu among others. This lies at the roots of what consciousness is. If we can accept this model of consciousness, much of the confuseness in theoretical physics of today is 'collapsed'.

I see forward to your questions.

Ulla Mattfolk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aj4FozCSg8g

Partionic numbers. This video tells about l-adic math, revealing hidden periodic patterns depending on primes in our number system. These patterns are algebraic, what is most important to notice. Life lies in the intersection of reals and p-adic numbers as an island of rational/algebraic 'living' structure, says TGD.

With aid of the acidity you can zoom into the number tree pattern, like getting increasing resolution of a simple pattern,as with a fractal tree.

Thanks.

I have no previous experience of this, and as biologist I must see me as an amateur in the contest.

Still I think my essay is the best :)

Ulla.

Thanks,anonymous.

I know my essay is dense. Still it is very surficial. The topic chosen makes it hard to write something nonsensical with so few words. I tried to incorporate some of the most essential questions to show the logical thinking behind.

Decoherence has been the major obstacle for a quantal approach on living matter. This from an interpretation in pure classical thinking from experience on ordinary matter, where dissipation is minimized by low temperature. Living matter hasn't this kind of energy relax and entropy minimazition, and so temperature, pressure, pH are held in narrow limits. This means that living matter has another way to take away dissipation. If there would be allowed the creation of all dissipation as high as in ordinary matter systems, a simple run would be devastating. The entropy would be too high. So living matter has a maximation of the negentropy as a goal, but it can also create entropy when needed (perceptions- reactions). This is the reason living matter must be intermediate entropically. I called it a play between coherence and decoherence.

This means that living matter:

1) Have nearly dissipationless energy transfer for fast energy removal and relaxation because of the narrow limits for normal entropy carriers.

2) Has a very high production of dissipation because it is relying on principles of perception (symmetry breaking) and reaction (more symmetry breaking) that both create decoherence.

3) Has very shortliving decoherent states and chaotic states. The decoherence (noise) is directed to highly ordened, negentropic patterns almost immidiately, in a way that noise creates coherence and order. Synchrony is also such a phenomenon.

4) Reacts on entropical differencies in the surroundings too. These differencies are internalized as 'stress' that also creates energy that must be bound. One such 'stress' is what we usually think is consciousness, measured in brainwaves, the higher frequence and amplitude the higher stress.

5) Percept through specialized 'stress-organs',and also this measurement (the five senses) creates consciousness that is ordered in an negentropic, global way when it is relaxed, and brought back to basic energy level (this is what we usually say is consciousness).

Quantum probabilities comes in through the perceptions and stress. These are measured as Gaussian probabilities very commonly in biology. Ecology is, in fact, very much quantum physics too.

How these probabilities support decoherence? This is the measurement process and computation that are quantum critical giving one or a few results. The higher EEG measurements are proof for these probabilities, which may be collapsed only after processing in the brain sometimes, sometimes in the axons and spinal cord, sometimes in the sense organ itself, depending on severity of stress. True quantal characters, as the qualias, in the percepts are another proof.

Decoherence of non-deterministic type? Can you please specify what you mean, as by an example. Decoherence is only temporally dis-ordered. Quantal charachters are mostly coherent with shortlived chaotic phases.

Decoherence gives coherence secondary. Both are deterministic though. Compare a sheet of paper that can be disordered inordered ways, giving new ordered states.

Quote. In the play between coherence and decoherence, how does the physical decoherence controbute to the concept of biological Self, and the competition between Free Will and Destiny in decision makling?

This is a question I have thought much of. It is a very difficult one, especially free will and destiny. The Self is easier, so I start with it.

All matter is built of protons and electrons that are stable, building atoms comprising of different amounts of protons/neutrons, electrons/positrons. See the stable islands of elements. Because these all are stable they make up selves, that are stabily entangled from more simple particles/strings/waves. The difference is this type of entanglement is minimal, and these elements have minimal choise and free will (to go against the most favourable state) interpreted as jumps/measurements in the Minkowskian 'light-like' (incl.massless particles) cone. Time is result of measurement-sequencies. Consequently this Self can change with time (decay mostly).

The biological Self is more complex. It has also the light-like cone with massless particles as a part. This has always a 'memory' or 'history'. The other part are stable structures, mostly referred to chromosomes. But a chromosome is not stable in the same way as atoms. It also has companjons in mRNA and epigenetics, invoking on the entanglement and choices made. A biological Self is stable as an basic energetic level of entanglement, but this level change over time. Stress invokes on the Self, usually diminish its size, and this is balanced by increasing the stable elements of Self, chromosomes. They can be doubled or more.

The minimal energetic Self has the biggest size and longest entanglements, and so it is more quantal, more to the massless side. Self can also be seen as a competition of energy. The more stress, the more complex, the shorter entanglements, the more details and lesser size of Self.

Competition between Free Will and Destiny must be seen in the same way. Destiny is a state of minimal choise and very stable entanglements.

If we looks what happen in a stressed situation? Bacterias that are stressed begins to change their Selves (mutate) and broaden their possibilities,in hope that some Self would be suitable for the new situation (of entanglements). This is comparable to a situation with electron Fractal Quantum Hall Effect induced by strong magnetization. When a measurement is made the tunneling collapses. When a bacteria is suitable, the rest dies.

So,in this highly stressed situation bacterias have Free Will? They can go against the most favourable solution?

Human emotional states follow the same concept. An energetic input that creates a higher entropical state gives Free Will. But humans and most animals can also themselves create the stress (allostasis), and the possibility to change the outcome.

The Free Will is then mostly the result of quantal Self (magnetic body)? To always follow the basic energetic level is Destiny (homeostasis) and bodily Self (decoherence in chromosomes)?

Consciousness is also a stress-effect, see comment above. The question of Self has mostly been considered in combination with consciousness, as an Observer (the quantal Self).

Peter,

Thanks for your words. I already have quite a high rank:)

I really want to make things as straight as they ever can be. This complexity would otherwise be just a mess :)

There are about 100 different theories in quantum physics, someone told me, and I have no reason to doubt that? This only tells me that they have no clue themselves. Look at the mess LHC creates :)

So why can we not look at a real construction of Life and Physics? Living matter has stories to tell us. As instance today I read about the Carbon atom, it has % dimensions, 4 material and one time. So there are one dimension unknown, maybe a pair of time - quantum world? This would also explain the bosonic properties of Carbon (a quasiparticle)?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK6522/

Physical laws also clearly tells that brain is both quantal and classic. Matter cannot exist without entanglement, and chemical orbital reactions is a kind of entanglement?

I shall read your essay, thank you. I think my brain has some capacity to handle with dimensions, but not so many at a time. I have a very visual way of working mostly.

Kindly

Ulla.

More about the free will.

In TGD, Matti say: State function reduction is the obvious starting point when one tries to understand free will.

The basic question that make the solvation of free will hard, is the Schrödinger equations. In my essay we saw that they are perhaps wrongly interpreted, and can be replaced by the double slit experiment interference? There is no either, but all states togeteher.

The factor time is essential. it is the sequences of jumps, or measurements.

Matti: One must replace state function reduction with quantum jump involving unitary process. Unitary process would create superposition of worlds of quantum states and would be the genuinely creative aspect of free will.

State function reduction chooses one state among the eigenstates of measured observables.

This is basically the fractional quantum Hall effect. In photosynthesis we have seen that when the choice has been made it collapses all other possibilities. Remarkably long lived electronic quantum coherence is saved, and quantum random walk is suggested as mechanism. This is a sampling of all possibilities available in order to chose one path. This is a quantum feature, so free will acts at quantum level?

Time at quantum level works differently, and eventually time is born in the measurement moment, together with consciousness, as a result of symmetry breaking?

Matti: The chronon of subjective time is identifiable in terms of quantum jump.

Chronon is a soliton. These times (subjective and objective) are not same (irreversility of the subjecitve time contra reversibility of geometric time). This leads from the usual positive energy ontology to zero energy ontology (ZEO) in which quantum states are pairs of positive and negative energy states with opposite conserved quantum numbers assignable to the future and past boundaries.

ZEO can also be linked to perceptions and measurements, and memories. ZEO allows maximal free will since any zero energy state can in principle be achieved from given one. Negentropic maximazing principle NMP states that the reduction of entanglement entropy in state function reduction is maximal. Information is lost in the symmetry breaking with the choice made. Something new is built instead in the decoherence pattern, the result of the symmetry breaking. This we have all experienced when we learn something. We have to choose. We have to leave something behind (collapse it) but we gain a new awareness. In TGD this is said as 'consciousness will always be lost'. From reorganization of consciousness we get awareness. This is eg. a mathematical process.

The outcome of the random walk is also invoked on by the algebraic modification. Shannon entropy + primes gives the borders, and probabilities are logaritms, with maximal negentropy for a unique prime (the border). Information is carried by entanglement (with superpositions also of the information) but there are finite amounts of probabilities then too. Entangleed state can be stable against state function reduction. Correlates of intention and cognition is interpreted as p-adic algebra. Thus we get entangled states (selves of mind and matter) entangled with environment (temp, pH, pressure etc.) to get the reactive space life need.

Matti: Life corresponds to negentropic entanglement possible in the rational intersection of real and p-adic worlds (matter and cognition).

http://matpitka.blogspot.com/2011/02/free-will-and-quantum.html

http://zone-reflex.blogspot.com/2009/11/macroscopic-quantum-coherence.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2744827/?tool=pubmed

I just want to add a link about free will that in a splendid way highlights my point.

http://brainblogger.com/2011/03/13/willpower-and-the-unconscious-on-automatic-pilot/

"I came to see my conscious self as being the size of a person navigating on the high seas. There was me taking wind, currents, and sea-worthiness into account, and there was the vast ocean and atmosphere offering up enough detectable patterns that I could navigate toward a destination."

Splendid as seen in the Self against entropy :) I thinkeveryone recognizes themselves.

priming of self and goals.

Dijksterhuis, A., & Aarts, H. (2010). Goals, Attention, and (Un)Consciousness Annual Review of Psychology, 61 (1), 467-490 DOI: 10.1146/annurev.psych.093008.100445

Jonathan,

Thanks. It is nice to know who has added what to Wikipedia :) I must confess I was surpriced to find it there so clearly said.

It is indeed very hard to take all sides along in such a short essay, and I tried to show on the obvious things, that everyone could agree on.

Good luck to you.

Ulla.