Peter,
In reply to your post on Oct. 6, 2014 @ 16:30 GMT...
"Your devotion to Newton is admirable but as misguided as any religion".
Feel free to call devotion to Truth a religion. Newton himself said something like "Plato is my friend, Galileo is my friend but my greatest friend is Truth". That implies devotion is not to be to authority or persons, Newton inclusive.
This whole question of 'local' or 'localized' was VERY well known to Newton and Galileo before him. However, you hide too much under your 'local c'. c can vary due to many reasons in different localities, so it is not a constant and global value, except in absolutely free space. That is space free of fields, of which that on Earth is NOT FREE in any sense. It is polluted by electromagnetic and gravitational field. Even Einstein mentioned the strength of the gravity in the environment as a condition affecting the value of c.
Perhaps you're not discerning between the uniform 'metre rules' of my post above, all reading the same, by ALSO realising that all metre rules in the universe can move wrt each other!
I am not disputing that.
"There can be no SINGLE background 'frame' with any validity".
That is your opinion. So many terms are used to describe almost the same thing. 'background frame', 'preferred frame', 'immobile aether', 'preferred frame' are similar with a little difference. Newton preferred 'Absolute Space'.
"The reason the CMB radiation is continually Doppler shifted is that on arrival in ALL those rest frames it changes speed to the local c".
This goes to my original question of what is the most appropriate description of CMB. What does 'arrival' mean? Where is the CMB coming from, and where is it going? Is it a 'smoke' coming from some burning or shining place or is it a 'fog' that is just present without a discernible source? I guess, since you don't agree with the Big Bang, you regard CMB as a smoke?
Then, what do you mean by 'continually Doppler shifted, and in what direction? Our motion through the CMB frame gives both a RED and a BLUE shift. The other shift you may be talking about I don't regard as Doppler. That is, if you mean the reducing ambient energy now at microwave frequency. That is not due to observer motion but to an expanding universe ( in contrast to the collapsing one that Steve prefers).
To suggest I'm; "yet to concede" is absolute delusion!
You will concede before 2020 and we can bet a bottle of fine wine when the bet is lost and won.
Have a look and think about the rules of brackets in arithmetic. Nothing in ANY bracket can be directly computed against anything in another, but we can have infinitely many be brackets within brackets. THAT is 'Truth Function Logic' the only paradox free form of logic!
An infinite number of external brackets or an infinite number of brackets within is only in the Mathematician's mind. As I told Tom, zero 0 and infinity в€ћ are not part of the physics world.
"Silvertooth; His experiment was fine, his analysis as poor as any!"
From the reference Steve linked, the results may have been cooked up or the inference drawn overenthusiastic. I will leave Silvertooth alone.
I'm sure you can visualise the difference between a mirror moving THROUGH a medium and a mirror and medium 'moving' as one!
Of course, I can and what I see does not require absorption and re-emission at local c. What local c do you use anyway? Is it the mirror's or that of the medium? The correct one is that in the medium and not the electron in the mirror determining at what c to emit light.
Regards,
Akinbo