Real-Time Physics

Dear Pentcho,

Does the velocity of sound really "vary with the speed of the observer"?

Regards,

Eckard

Eckard Blumschein: "Does the velocity of sound really "vary with the speed of the observer"?"

Yes.

Penchto Valev,

Can you please explain what you means with velocity of sound and speed of the observer when you maintains "The velocity of sound varies with the speed of the observer"?

I refer to the front of the response to an sound pressure impulse which propagates with constant velocity relative to the acoustic medium, and I cannot imagine a mere observer influencing a physical process. As the moon exists, no matter whether or not we can see it, sound propagates, no matter whether or not it is heard.

Eckard

Eckard Blumschein wrote: "Penchto Valev, Can you please explain what you means with velocity of sound and speed of the observer when you maintains "The velocity of sound varies with the speed of the observer"?"

If the observer starts moving towards the source of sound, the speed of the sound wave RELATIVE TO HIM increases:

http://ibphysicsstuff.wikidot.com/doppler-effect

"In the case of the moving observer the wavelength of the sound does not change, but the frequency as measured by the observer does change. This happens because the observer encounters a wavefront more frequently."

http://www.humanamente.eu/PDF/Issue13_Paper_Norton.pdf

John Norton: "It is common to dismiss the passage of time as illusory since its passage has not been captured within modern physical theories. I argue that this is a mistake. Other than the awkward fact that it does not appear in our physics, there is no indication that the passage of time is an illusion."

Which of the postulates of special relativity is false: the principle of relativity or the principle of constancy of the speed of light?

Dear Pentcho,

I am well familiar with the non-relativistic Doppler effect. However, I cannot share your idea of a velocity of sound "RELATIVE TO" an observer if I assume said velocity refers to the same object. The reason is quite simple: Different observers could attribute different velocities to the same wave. It is only reasonable to refer the front velocity of propagating sound to the medium it propagates in.

Regards,

Eckard

Eckard Blumschein wrote: "Different observers could attribute different velocities to the same wave."

That is crucial. You refer to sound, but can you say "Different observers could attribute different velocities to the same LIGHT wave"? If you can, then your statement would be compatible with Maxwell's original theory but not with Einstein's special relativity.

Pentcho Valev pvalev@yahoo.com

I wrote "Different observers COULD attribute different velocities to the same wave." I did not write they can. Does it matter whether we consider electromagnetic waves like Maxwellian waves or like bullets? In any case the velocity must not depend on the observer. Maybe, the assumption of an ubiquitous ether was premature. So far I did not find out where Einstein defined to what the speed of light refers. Please enlighten me.

Eckard

Kate Becker wrote: "Smolin wishes to hold on to the reality of time. But to do so, he must overcome a major hurdle: General and special relativity seem to imply the opposite."

Since special relativity is a DEDUCTIVE theory, the above text should automatically trigger the thought that at least one of the two postulates (the principle of relativity and the principle of constancy of the speed of light) must be false. George Orwell explains the absence of any such thought:

http://www.liferesearchuniversal.com/1984-17 George Orwell: "Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity."

Pentcho Valev pvalev@yahoo.com

In order to qualify SR as a deduced theory, I would expect Poincaré synchronization and the notion speed of light reasonably defined. The former mingles past and future. The latter was perhaps overlooked by myself so far.

Eckard

Eckard/Pentcho

The origins of the theory, arguing about its prediction, The Twin Paradox, etc, etc is all irrelevant. This is like trying to treat the syptoms and not the disease. The reason SR is wrong is because it involves a fundamental misconception of both time and reality, which, in terms of time, is explained as follows:

Short Proof: Time

Everything is undergoing continuous change. For any sequence of change, no space is required for the different states comprising it, since only one state can exist (ie the last). Every sequence has an intrinsic rate of change. This is time.

As light travels, there is a delay between the existence of a state and its perception.

The perceived rate of change of a sequence will remain the same, so long as relative spatial position remains constant amongst everything involved. Because, while the value of the delay is different depending on each individual space, it remains constant.

However, when relative individual space is altering, then the perceived rate of change alters, because the delay is ever increasing (or decreasing) at a rate which depends on the rate at which individual spaces are altering.

The variance in rate of change is a perceptual illusion caused by the information medium (in this case light) having to travel in order to enable the experience of reality to occur. The intrinsic rate of change (time, in reality) in the sequence being experienced does not alter, either in order to create this effect, or as a consequence of this effect being realised.

© Paul Reed

April 2011

Extracted from Theory of Reality and Time posted on Re Ality (Facebook, look for the boy with his cat)

Kate,

I hope Lee Smolin looks at my book - The Meaning of Time: A Theory of Nothing. In it I propose that the wave-like description of nature is fundamental and that electrons are extended entities consisting of the interaction of negative energy waves moving backward in time at the speed of light and positive energy waves moving forward in time at the speed of light. They interact at what I call the temporal event horizon which is the nominal extent of the electron and represents the particle's notion of the present moment. This ad infinitum interaction sequence represents the electron's internal clock and the interaction itself is the phenomenon known as the Zitterbewegung which translates literally to "trembling motion". It is a yet to be experimentally verified property of the electron first proposed by Erwin Schrödinger in his analysis of the Dirac equation. Changes in the operation of clocks is not some nebulous change in the geometry of space and time whatever that may mean but is rather the result of the effect of motion on the electron's (and proton's) internal clock.

Gene T. Yerger

I do not know why or by whom my posts of June 15, 2011 and later were removed, but I would recommend that going forward, either the postee be informed by email of the reason, or, the reason be stated at this site here with time and date of posting. It is not necessary to know by whom it was deleted, as confidentialty should reign supreme lest there be some opening for retaliation (not that I would ever personally resort to that type of unprofessional behaviour). However, my theory and post no longer exist here and for what reason I do not know. The theory itself was in line with the stated topic of TIME, and offered so so much more.

So much less for now.

Doug

Also, missing is a Giacomo post that I was just starting to attempt an understannding of.

I want my post back!

T H Ray wrote: "How about some more meat on these bones? :-) Particularly, from Lee Smolin's PI associate Fotini Markopoulou..."

Markopoulou is going beyond the crimestop barrier by (involuntarily) suggesting that the cosmological redshift may be due to slowing down of light as it travels through space:

http://www.sciscoop.com/2003-2-16-152235-209.html "However, if space-time atoms exist, she [Fotini Markopoulou] said, "the photons would appear to not all travel at the same speed"..."

http://www.liferesearchuniversal.com/1984-17 George Orwell: "Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity."

Pentcho Valev pvalev@yahoo.com

Everything is Nothing and Nothing is Everything

By Russ Otter

Provocative perhaps, weird, illogical: Yes indeed. But that is the paradox, the conundrum that fits into the open box of ideas and ultimate logic, as we ponder the nature of existence, which has no beginning and no end.

To begin this story, I need to address some fundamentals, with a few leaps from the intuitive aspects of our minds. And that story begins with the physics, we live within, and how they operate, or at minimum from what we currently understand, which is not the whole story, to be certain. As the whole story involves "Infinity" which must defy understanding, save our ever evolving quest for knowledge, which will always come up wanting, as infinity, by definition is beyond complete comprehension.

As you will hear me repeat over and over again and again, for if "Infinity" were comprehendible, it would have limits, and therefore defy its own nature, i.e., therefore becoming finite. It would be a mere fairytale, of our mental illusions. And truth is not an illusion. So make no mistake about the limits of your comprehension. They exist and will forever exist, save an impression found through instinctive logic or perhaps, better said instinctive illogic, but not from any firm notion through the pining efforts of mathematical truths, which are finite at best.

But to begin this story, I will begin discussing some premises of physics, beginning with Quantum Mechanics, of which we all are born from. Quantum physics, seems in some sense to be the bridge between the Infinite and the Finite, but that is just a definition formed from the limits that words hold us to. In truth, I believe the Finite and the Infinite are absolutes and that never meet, but with some exception, by way of the Quantum world, which contains the weird-science, that mirrors both worlds, through "Entanglement" and "Superposition's", among other obscure physical realities, that defy explanation in either a finite or infinite form of definition.

NOTE: This bridge that quantum mechanics bears, is a window into two existences. From which the mechanics of - actually allow life itself, as well as infinity to exist, or differently said, co-exist with the finite. As one is not possible without the other.

Quantum Physics for those who do not know much about it, unlike our Classical Physics, which simply tells us that 2+2=4, is the bearer of our birth as sentient beings. Without the weirdness and mystery of the Quantum, we would dangle in despair trying to elucidate or impose the Classical model of life as the core of physics. And it is Not, save the world of the "Finite". Our Classical Mathematics proves clearly that its own mathematics and science will never resolve the answer to "Infinity". Infinities are the possible province only of the Quantum and of the Infinite. And for us as finite sentient beings, these

obscurities that trump mathematical formulas to understand, will so, and be so forever - or at the very least preach of an agnostic truth, which will be all that is left to human sciences, save perceptions - perhaps...

To hopefully clarify: The Alpha and the Omega have no beginning and no end. To suggest otherwise would be to live in a fairytale, which we often do to find answers, when we should actually admit to our ideological selves and rather commit to reality as it spells itself out, with answers, and non-answers.

After all: These are just the simple facts of the finite existence we occupy, as consciousness is a confined term... If we were Infinite, or omniscient, we would not be conscious, as that would limit us. Again, this may seem to be a foggy concept, but it is really very basic and important to understand. I will continue to repeat and hound upon this premise above, while I explain the fundamentals of existence, as they exist, regardless of my point of view.

A Brief Explanation NOTE: Quantum and Classical Physics have never fully resolved themselves with similar physics, yet both exist: The Classical World is made of objects we can see and touch, such as: Plastic, Metal, Humans, Animals, Stars, as well as conceptually Space and Time. The Quantum World is made of micro particles, such as atoms, electrons, photons, quarks, neutrinos, and the list goes on. But these micro particles make up the macro particles of us: Human Beings, Cars, Dirt, Asphalt, and the matter we see and touch. To briefly touch on this subject and the objective distinctions: I will give you a couple of examples: If in our Macro-World (Finite Matter), If I through a Baseball at 2 windows on a wall it will go through one of the windows, but in the Micro-World of the Quantum particle world: if I throw an electron or a photon at that same window it will go through both at the same time. Logically it makes no sense, but it has been proven by experiment. Additionally we have a premise in the Quantum Mechanical world called "Entanglement": It defies the speed of light, and treats all objects as if they were local to one another, rather than separate. In other words, if I had two micro particles, such as a photon, millions of miles apart, and I changed the spin of one companion particle photon, its counter- part millions of miles away will change its spin at the very same time. This has also been experimentally proven. But logically in a Classical Physics world, this does not happen, as we are bound by the laws of the speed of light, or what is known as local and non-local behavior.

Even beyond the Quantum science we are now observing from within our finite world, quantum mechanics still defies complete explanation. It is a reality we will never fully know, as it is un-caged by Infinity itself... I would suggest that the Quantum world, is the link between a twain that will never meet: The Infinite and the Finite, yet they co-exist through our necessary quantum partnership.

To reiterate: In fact, the truth-be-known: "Everything is Nothing and Nothing is Everything", thanks to the Quantum, which bears us our very life's - as sentient beings. As it is from quantum particles, that we form matter, in the form of our finite selves. Beyond that province of Sentiency, we are captives of a mystery, forever unresolved, but not unacknowledged...

Infinity is and will forever be of a weirdness to the Classical mind, as the mind itself is finite, yet quantum truth, is outside that circumscribed realm, hence it is additionally of infinite bias.

Even though some physicists will assert that Quantum Physics, works within the Classical physics and mathematics of our finite world, and I will agree in degrees, at a molecular level. It does not. Note: with the exception of degrees, I pointed out, but in general it does not.

In this reality or our own macro based matter, interdependence emerges that makes it possible for our Classical World of Physics to even exist, coupled with the Quantum, from which we are born. The Classical world is not inevitable, but plausible, given time, which actually does not exist, or more appropriately exists within a superposition within the quantum world. [ Figure that one out, however you will never really know, other than to possibly gaze the truth of a logic not seemingly possible. ]

But do not even try, other than in a quasi-reality of inquisitiveness, as infinite reality is beyond our finite sentient minds. Infinity cannot and will not be defined. To make it so would violate its very nature, in an un-circumspect manner, as its very definition of "Infinity" is something beyond our finite comprehension.

If it where comprehendible, it would therefore be circumscribed, i.e., defined. Infinity by implicit definition - is not defined. It is Omniscient. As if it where understandable it would be defined, hence circumscribed, and therefore no longer infinite.

It is a conundrum, that haunts the obscure ends of knowledge, and confines us to live in an unknown not-fully defined existence, as well as encourages us to pursue knowledge forever... As to not pursue knowledge would be to withdraw from life itself... Or at least a full and productive life that has the potential through knowledge to build bridges, that bring us together in more common terms, rather than live in the divides we exist in today, albeit those divides were even worse in times of ancient pasts. Just review your history, and the beliefs of many saints and sinners, that slavery, concubines, cast systems, and the torture of witches, and infidels were of goodness, and right, for which today the majority of the world would argue the opposite. Our history, and technological advances have given us a much better assessment of the cultures that have gone before us, and we are improving for the most part I would hope.

One of the Greatest of "Thought Problems" or "Thought Equations", is similarly based on the concept of a God, or an Omniscient Deity which is based on "Faith", not "Reality", as most Theologians and Scholars would agree. [Ref A] And it today still is causing great hardships and divides between peoples, when it should be bringing us together, if one believes in the goodness of such religions and theoretically humane philosophies.

I will describe such an ancient "Thought Problem and Solution", hence "Thought Equation" below: However the Solution, within our current multi-cultural reality will be abridged by those who believe in ideological faith and culture versus fact as their truth.

1. Sentient Beings are "Finite" and for the sake of argument co-exist inside the "Infinite." In other words: Finite life is not omniscient, but "Infinity" is so, just as a possible God is described as such, however correctly or erroneously. NOTE: I hope this "Thought Equation" will define that answer for you, even if the correctness of the answer fundamentally proves out to be agnostic.

If we can agree that Finite things are only possible within an Infinite (Omniscient Existence) [Ref A], as "Infinity" encompasses our "Finite" world we all live within, then the following "Thought Equations" holds true: Otherwise we would be of a "Duality" both Finite and Infinite. And there is no mathematics or logic that would hold to a finite object being infinite. Simply not possible. Finite and Infinite definitions are implicitly not the same. As Finite is finite, and Infinite is Infinite. ] Never will the twain meet. One is limited, and one is not. A Very Simple Logical Proof...

a. Hence Proof number 1 is an Absolute than cannot violate itself. 2. Infinity by definition, has no center-point, is boundless, has no beginning and no end, hence it

will never be understood by a sentient mind, by way of philosophy, or mathematics which hails from the finite world we all live within together. Thus Proof 1 and 2 are sacrosanct, as finite mathematics breakdown and fails when describing the Infinite. [ NOTE: Ask any mathematics major. ]

3. I want to also note that within an infinite existence, there can be no love, no joy, no pain, no knowledge, no ego. As to apply any attribute to the infinite, it to limit it and define it. And that which cannot be understood, such as "Infinity", cannot be defined in our conventional terms. Such as a=a. Again, such provinces of mathematics and philosophy exist solely to the "Finite" species.

4. Infinity is actually impossible to comprehend. Logically it is impossible, yet we know it is. For instance: The notion of no Alpha or no Omega? (No Beginning and No End?) How does that make any logical sense? However the inverse of that illogic is the Finite, which grows and lives by way of hopeful logic, along with selfishness and illogic as well. But the decent goal for sentient beings is the "Golden Rule" and the growth of Knowledge to better humanities health and caring. But I do digress - somewhat here. My primary point is that logic keeps on track based on our finite existence, not based on our Infinite notions of Deities, which would be by definition circumscribing God or Infinity, and the Omniscient to a thing, or finite object. And Infinity, will not be tamed, with such wishful illusions. [Ref: A]

5. In summary the finite may transition to the infinite, or the infinite to the finite, but they will never, and can never meet. "Just to repeat myself." Just do the math: Or ask any mathematician if Infinities can be defined? In a word, No. So we only can inject faith, to find a God or God's, and we will never - and can never know the truth of such a question, in point of fact. [Ref: A] Forever and a Day! It is a fickle life we lead, quite radically and factually.

So what does this mean, regarding classical and quantum physics? It means we know less than we think we do, too often. By the way: "I am included is Spades!!!" Yet theoretical physicists and cosmotologists, among other philosophers and pursuers of truth, are rubbing up upon the wisp's of truth, that we are not all we seem to be, and even more... They are doing this by the measures of science coupled with intuitive perceptions, which would have been unthinkable, just a century ago. In fact they would have been the Copernicus's and Galileo's in another time, that would have had them killed for such heretical, non-cultural thinking believed to be ideologically sacrosanct in times past.

So we are on the verge of a highly valued knowledge, not bound by ideology, or faith, but by knowledge, inspiration, brought about largely by science, that is peeling away, not only at legacies, which some hold

inviolable building blocks, but at the legacies of their own science's. They are reaching to a vision of scientific weirdness, possibly hard to swallow, yet possibly of fact, more than fiction. Clearly we may never know, as this journey is peering into the relationship of the infinite, the quantum, and our home foundations built upon the finite from the highest levels of sentiency. It is a co-existent venture, to examine the possible, with the so-called impossible, or the finite with the infinite, but that is where we are headed. And the results may reveal those bridges that I spoke of to mend past wrongs and improve our daily lives, not for just some, but for all. A lofty notion, but a result that lays in wait, as the knowledge of science and philosophy of this world improves.

In 1935 Erwin Schroedinger came up with a thought experiment, whereby the micro and macro worlds collide. His seemingly logical supposition was that a micro-world radioactive atom could both decay and not decay at the same time, and if linked to a bottle of cat poison, based on "Superposition's dual state proven in quantum physics." Therefore a macro-world "Cat" could either be dead or alive all dependent upon the mere observation of a human opening up a cage and looking at the cat.

Hence "Everything is Nothing and Nothing is Everything", if you will. However I have often found this premise of a micro-world (atom) and a macro-world (cat) superposition state, as not being accurate. To negate my own thesis. But it holds an interest, or novelty at any rate for me. But it is not the sacrosanct proof I find compelling.

Even though, Vlatko Vedral, a professional physicist has entertained the notion that the quantum world also works in union far more than we realize with the macro-world. Please read his very substantial and intriguing article in Scientific American. Ref: [1] I believe that Vlatko Vedral is glimpsing the true realm of physics as it will progress... He touches on the known and unknown as equals in my view. And this is where real physics of the future is headed.

But I also want to note another article from "New Science", by Anil Ananthaswamy, who points out other experiments and rationales regarding the distinctions between the Quantum and the Classical Physics worlds. Ref: [2]

The sum total of these articles rubs up against the very nature of existence, which is not definable by my believe system or by logic in my view, but they are grasping at the core of an open physics system that may open our philosophical gazes to new hopes and heights.

In Summary, we are living in a system which is for all practical purposes of our lives both local and non- local, but for Infinities sake, may debunk every known mathematical formula ever devised, as both bring a balance to the chaos of entropy, and allow for both to exist as disparate and as equals at the same time.

To answer the question what is reality. Co-existence of the Finite and Infinite, hence complete abstraction and Scientific proofs posits "Balance" as to be the only final answer. As to propose otherwise, would explode and dismantle the logic of an educated mind to extinction, as it grasps the impossible nature of no beginning and no end, and allows for life within a closed environment that sees no further than the logic of the self within bounds, we hold as true, even if they are not.

In a truth, what I mean for most of us, is that we will never have the misfortune to engage, endless infinities of reality within our own minds: Which, if our minds were caught in "endless infinite loops, as mathematical definitions of infinity are" the experience of that truth in such educated detail - would mentally cause a compulsive phobia, unrelenting. That truth is the experience of "Infinity" or the thought provoking notion of the essence of "Endlessness". Such an awareness would negate purpose and the necessity of a conclusion or ultimate answers to be sought. In poignant truth such an end conclusion will never be found. Therefore the mind may only dismay itself to pain and demise in that perfect view of nature's full experience. Therefore, the climb to knowledge, not final conclusions is of a noble and good purpose. It is the rainbow's trail that is the gold, not so the end destination!

Today in 2011, we only experience for most of us, the notions of black and white, of yes and no, of a wrong and a right. But the truth of life is that these notions are found more truly in the gray areas of life, in the mix of realities, the truth that entropy is part of some realities, such as the finite, but not the infinite, that quantum physics within the areas of "entanglement" and "superposition's", defy common sense and finite definitions. Coupled with other intuitive queries into subject's, such as: 1) Time may have other dimensions, 2) along with multi-verses. All of these queries into the plausible are not beyond the intuitive nature of thought, but many well be beyond the mathematical proofs or enormous energies required to prove. Ref: [3] (Simply for food for thought: (Thermodynamic violation of the 2nd law))

In other words existence/life is in balance, even as entropy wildly abounds via its finite roots, coupled by way of its non-existence - through the "Infinite" nature of existence. For which no one can explain. NOTE: Here is a riddle for the ages: Do all things, through the ebb and flow of existence, exist and not- exist?)

Actually put: "Everything is Nothing and Nothing is Everything" gives us Logic and Life/Existence via "Balance." In other words there is "Time" and there is "No Time", there is "Space" and there is "No Space", everything is connected, and yet is separate: certainly given Entanglement, Superposition's, and the Infinite which supersedes any hope for understanding. These conundrums reinforce a science, so fundamentally raw, and necessarily incomprehensible, which gives rise to the firm and balanced mechanics of existence in general. Make no mistake, it is a violent and turbulent Universe we are engaged in, at this point of our existences, but that is Nature in Symphonic rage and glory, yet, I believe exists, as a result of Perfect Balance out of a realm of nature without an Alpha or Omega. That premise is essential, and yet incompressible. But the virtue of that Irony is that it gives us nature, as it always has been and always we be. If we understood it - the balance would be gone and that I find impossible. NOTE: That "Balance" is no respecter of humanity [Ref: [ 5 ] A wise human biblical reference: "God is no respecter of persons.") or its often violent and harsh human torments, it is only a respecter of its own nature. We living within the finite, must take on the horror of natures and humankinds tragedies alone and together. Therefore is it fundamental to put away youthful visions, imaginations, superstition's, and mythologies, as such of the ancients, whose knowledge was of a child's knowledge based on our science of today. To quote a wise biblical human made phrase: "1 Corinthians 13, Verse 4: "When I was as child, I spoke as a Child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things." We should take heed...

The novel and interesting potential fallout of the relatively empty endless abyss we exist within has no logical answer, if you programmed computers that were as large as a solar system, they would literally burn themselves out into failure, as the circuit boards burnt out at the impossible task of understanding infinity. We too as humans and some of us have, have glimpsed the ultimate jail and inevitability of existence and it too can become a suffocating mental breakdown for some people, sometimes. At least for me on occasion. My point is that if we are truly honest and fully focused, our minds would breakdown if we ever fully looped onto the endlessness, and seemingly pointlessness of existence. My only relief is to imagine an ebb and flow of existence, which fully dies as we know it, and is reborn, again and again, then the hopelessness of no end, seems ironically less confining... "As without conclusion, what is the point of anything?" A riddle, I have been challenged with for a life time.

That is the only way it can be, if we are a part of "existence" in either a finite or impossible infinite form, as there is no twain, even via quantum mechanics illumination of its potential mysteries, which will never combine both finite knowledge and the Infinite as a sentient or otherwise type of conscious thought or equation.

But the sentient search is essential to improve on life, and inevitable... Forever, as I logically believe sentiency will come and go... As Time however multi-dimensional or not, also will come and go in a relative manner, if you choose to believe so... Still for us as sentient beings, and objects of matter, we are finite, and for me: If a tree falls and no one hears it. It still makes a sound. Time and Space are immutable to the conscious mind, even if Time and Space are of a bizarre nature that really does not exist... in some form of "Entanglement", and so forth. As I believe Infinity connects us all. Quite the Story, this existence we are engaged end.

The big picture or grand reality, beyond our mere selves - is and will be a riddle, an enigma, a paradox, and a conundrum, undisposed forever.

Simply said, with the only means available through a poetic depth: "We are in Balance", by being both local and non-local, by existing via the only describable manner capable: We are and we are not. Everything is Nothing and Nothing is Everything. [ Period ] The Perfection of Balance, which will never find any other description..., save illusion.

However the Pursuit of Knowledge from our roots (the quantum, intuition and science per se') is a humble and humane effort. This exciting, noble and extraordinary pursuit of knowledge must trump all obstacles. In doing so it will, if we follow the Golden Rule, find our commonality as a species and all species, and as a result better our health, lives and understanding, through the diminution of torment and harm that a world of a misguided historic diversity has only seemed to continue with its useless ego's and destruction.

Knowledge is power, and power is curative... So goes the Balance I look for in life and the understanding that we are all one, from dust to dust in the end... We are different in our randomness and the same in such...

References:

[1] Author: Vlatko Vedral, Article: Living in a Quantum World, Magazine: Scientific American, June 2011, Page: 38, 43

[2] Author: Anil Ananthaswamy, Article: Quantum reality is what you make it, Magazine: New Scientist, June 2011, Page: 13

[3] Author: J. Miguel Rubin, Article: The Long Arm of the Second Law", Magazine: Scientific American, October 2008, Pages: 63-67

[*] My Own Personal Reference: Author: Russ Otter, Article: Is Reality Analog or Digital, Website: FQXi Community, February 2011. http://fqxi.org/data/essay-contest-files/Otter_Our_Universe_Digital_1.pdf Additionally posted @ http://otterwrite.blogspot.com/2010/10/our-universe-science-and-potentials- in.html

[5] Author: Biblical Reference in several places: Gen: 4:4,5 ; Acts 10:34, 35 Rom. 2:9-11, among many others within the Judeo-Christian Bible

[A] Author: Exodus 33:20 (Referring to God) "For no one may see me and live." [ This illustrates some ancient and wise individuals, who understood the divide between the Infinite (Omniscient/God, if you will) and the Finite.)

Does counting the atomic transitions of cesium or quartz or a pendulum constitute measurement of time or are we just counting something that is moving? Has anyone actually measured time? It appears it does not exist......

I have posted 16 april , an attachment. Who has the patience to read it , will discover a foundamental , a new one! "Mz=m2v2-m1v1" . This foundamental it is connected to spin or vortice' properties and not to mass... I apologize for this.

I still studing it too. Also let me remarque : when I remove time by E=mc^2 , it is easy to see E=LL, energy as a surface! But for almost zero masses! So energy is inside geometry of reality? It is look like!!

And LL, wich kind of wave are they ?

Answer : easily gamma rays.

The gamma rays involved into sub-atomic reactions!

So if energy live into geometry and is made of gamma rays...

Geometry is made of gamma rays' orientation!!.

Now when geometry change with gravity also the alignment of those gamma rays change or not?!!

Into my Mz=m2v2-m1v1 it is possible to see : two gamma rays m2v2 and m1v1 , giving Mz . Mz it is a torsion. It is useful to change the sign "=" with chemical" " double arrow. The sense of reaction is reversable ! Exactly, because it is a foundamental! It mean : "Mz" can be a source for m2v2-m1v1. That is why the Ranque effect is not yet explained! Until today!.( It is not possible explain the number "1" , because it is "1" ... it is a foundamental!

It is a "foundamental" explain other smaller arguments!!.

So only removing time, we can access sub-nuclear world! Because, there, "Chemical reaction" sense .., retuns to play and do the show!

In chemistry we can see reactions, with strong equilibrium, where time has no meaning ... The reaction in subnuclear world are "balanced" and time it is not useful...

May be Time will return, but under sub-nuclear reactions! Like into redundant system! So for me Time can be not real... but only for the moment!!

He can back !!

Thank You! And see you next!

It does not exist, literally. Time is a duration measuring system which enables you to quantify and compare disparate rates of change in reality. The base unit used is irrelevant/arbitrary, all one needs is one that is of high frequency and constant. So the oscillation in quartz is better than relating events to earth's revolution.

Paul

Time is not an illusion. Time is an interactive part of reality and is present as a vector quantity (forward and reverse). With forward vector time, Matter turns to Space. With reverse vector time, space turns back to matter and in its most condense form, it becomes a Black Hole. Time is Energy.

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