Azzam

I am not sure I understand your question as written. So I will make a few points in response and then you can come back, rather than just asking you to repeat the question.

Light is some form of physical effect. It results from a physical interaction. Sensory systems have evolved to utilise this. That is, the physical entity light, has acquired a functional role in the sensory process. But this does not alter its physically existent properties, and as such, it is just something that is moving, just like every other something. And as such we need to understand how it works. Whether you, or any other organism can 'see' something is irrelevant, it is still occurring. And what happens to any given physically existent light is also irrelevant, because light is not the reality (it is, of itself, a reality because it is existent). That light is, from the perspective of the sight sensory system, a representation of the reality.

Heisenberg's uncertainty can only apply to the sensing of reality, there is no form of uncertainty in reality. It occurred, and to do so involves certainty, whether we can define that is irrelevant. Whether what did occur was 'random' when compared to what occurred previously, is also irrelevant. Randomness is a certain form of relationship, it does not mean something strange has happened, or that the organism sensing the event had any input, which could not happen.

[Incidentally, time is not a clock, everything is a clock, because everything is changing. But I do not want to go down that road here]

Paul

Azzam

Ah, looking at the posts above, it might be worth me adding a supplementary to that post.

Light always starts at the same speed, because it is the result of an atomic interaction, not a collision. It will continue to travel at that speed unless impinged upon, just like anything else. As it is a physically existent entity in its own right (ie forget its function in sight), this speed is independent of other things, again, just like everything else. This is what constancy is about.

Now, when it comes to calibrating that speed, then some reference must be utilised. It can be any reference, but once chosen that reference must be maintained so that comparison can ensue. This applies to any such attribute, ie colour, texture, etc, etc. By definition, when we say something is X, that involves a reference. So, the calibrated speed of any given light will be a function of what reference was chosen. It is something travelling, just like a bird, the Andromeda Galaxy, St Pauls cathedral, whatever. The practicalities of doing this are another matter, our inabilities do not change reality as it occurs.

Paul

Paul

In my theory, I do not say that Einstein's theory of relativity is wrong, but it is needed some modification to match up with the quantum theory. In order to distinguish between reality and the knowledge of the reality, we must understand that within the concept of quantum theory and the modified relativity. There is an important question for Einstein, which is; how the world will be seen by me if I was riding a ray of light? According to the relativity theory of Einstein, if the light beam is transfromed from point A to Point B separated by distance, then for the light ray itself, the light will pass the two points A&B at the same time, also, if the distance between the two points is equal to infinity, and also if there are infinity number of points separated by distance, the light ray will pass all the points at the same time. That means for light beam itself, there is no past or future, it is existed only present. So if I'm a light ray, I'll find all the information of the history of my life (past and future) are existed with me at the same present, where, there is no past or future. Since the light is an energy has a rest mass equals to zero, and according to the relativity equation E=mc^2, mass and energy are equivalent. And Since according to relativity the information are received to me in my mass world by the speed of light in vacuum, that means, all the history of my life is existed as a present in the state in which the light is exited. This state I called it (infinity state), it is the state of pure energy. Mass is created from energy, and by mass it is created what are called space, time, past and future. The reality is exited in the infinity state, and the knowledge of the reality is transforming the information from the infinity state to be lived by me in my mass world. This process is describe by what is called in quantum the wavefunction. My future in my mass world is defined by the probability in quantum, and my past is defined by the collapse of the wavefunction. The light speed in vacuum which is equal to 3.0x10^8 m/s is not related to the light itself, but is related to transforming the information from the infinity state to my mass world through the space-time that is created by mass....why? because for the light itself, it is transformed from point to point at the same time (in a zero time separation), that is equivalent according to my calculation in my mass world, that the light beam for itself, is moving with speed equals to infinity. But what I'm seeing in my mass world, it is moving with speed 3.0x10^8 m/s which is related to the speed I measure to the information to be transformed from infinity state through the space-time that is created by my mass to be received in my mass world.

    Azzam

    "In my theory, I do not say that Einstein's theory of relativity is wrong"

    The point in my post above was that if people are discussing SR then it is best to discuss what it was, not what it has been interpreted as being. And who better to tell you what it fundamentally entailed, than the man himself, hence my set of quotes.

    "how the world will be seen by me if I was riding a ray of light?" Answer: logically, exactly the same as if you were riding a horse. The various lights (remember light is a specific physically existent entity) that you would receive in order to 'see' the world are just the same in both circumstances. But you just have a practical problem(!), because you are travelling at more or less the same speed as them. So, which lights you would actually receive, ie be in the line of travel with and be at the same spatial position at the same point in time, depends on environmental conditions within which each physically existent light travels, and the direction of travel. BUT the one possible variable to be thrown into this mix, according to Lorentz/Einstein, is that matter alters dimension when subjected to a differential force, which also causes changing momentum whilst it is occurring (ie it is accelerating or de-celerating).

    In 1905 Einstein stated that light is always the same speed irrespective of its source speed, and in vaccuo travelled at a constant speed. Both these statements are physically correct. His theory was about the electrodynamics of moving bodies, not the observation thereof. Frame of reference is about the reference used, and there must always be one, to effect a judgement, because everything is relative, movement, colour, texture, heat, noise level, etc, etc, etc. It was not about observation.

    I am not sure that what you say is "According to the relativity theory of Einstein". But what I can say is that any given physically existent light cannot "pass all the points at the same time". It is a physical entity (an effect in photons), so it travels (how and why is another issue) just like anything else. Its present will constitute its specific physically existent state at any chosen point in time, just like anything else. So you will not "find all the information of the history of my life ..." Indeed, in one example of light, you will discover very little. It takes vast numbers of light from any given source and then there are vast numbers of sources, for us to make even some sense of anything. And of course many examples of light never find an observer, they hit brick walls first, or they have still to get here.

    Paul

    Paul

    There is a difference between, If I'm a system of rest mass greater than zero less than infinity riding a ray of light or moving with speed very approach to the speed of light in vacuum. In this case, I'll see the events as I'm riding the horse. But if all of my rest mass is transformed to energy, according to Einstein's equation E=mc^2, in this case I'll find all of my life information existed for me at the same present, and thus there is no past or future. In relativity, for the light itself, the ray of light can exist in infinity number of points separated by distance at the same time, and that well known in SR. And if we develop this concept, that means, for the light itself, there is no past or future, there exists a present only. And since in relativity, any information that I receive, is transformed to me by the light speed, and since the light is energy, thus, if all of my rest mass transformed to energy I'll find all of my life history existed as a present, and there is no past or future. For the light itself the space-time length is equal to zero. What is drawn around me, space-time is drawn related to my mass which is greater than zero, and causing the space-time length greater than zero. Thus the speed of light 3x10^8m/s that I measured in my mass world depending on the space-time length that is drawn around my mass is related to my mass not to the light itself. It the speed of transforming the information through the space-time into my mass world. In my theory, I proof also as in SR, the light speed is locally constant for any frame of reference, also, the laws of physics are the same for all inertial frames of reference same as in SR. In my theory the light itself is an entity same as the neutrino, but, what is different, is the mass of the light is zero, and the neutrino has a rest mass greater than zero. If I want to get information related to light or the neutrino, I must get it by the light speed, not by the light itself. The mechanism that the information transforming into my mass world according to my theory and the laws of quantum theory is illustrating the meaning of the wave- particle duality.

    If you review carefully my theory in FQXI contest, you will find how my theory is unifying between quantum and relativity in concepts, principles and laws.

      Eckard

      Yes you are right! I'm a Palestinian-US citizenship. I'm graduated from Applied Science university in Amman-Jordan in 1997. In 2000-2003 I worked as a Director in the Scientific Committee in the PNA, and after that the director general for The Science Center for Studies and Research.I'm an independent physics researcher from 1996 till now.

      Azzam

      I do not want to get involved in notions of mass, etc, because I do not understand it. All I can say is what I have said. And in this context you are conflating 'seeing' with light. Light is just another physical entity. It just so happens that with the evolution of sensory systems it has acquired a functional role in the sensory process known as sight, that is, it gathers and conveys a representation of the reality to. Seeing only results if an eye is the point of interaction, ie the line of travel of light and eye coalesce. Many lights hit brick walls, etc, or ears, or travel in space, but the failure to realise them does not change their physical existence. What does or does not happen to mass/energy, is irrelevant. If you, as an entity that can utilise light (ie see), are travelling at the speed of light, then leaving aside other effects(!) all that happens is that many lights will not 'catch up' with you, or your lines of travel will not cross so often because you are going at such a speed. And any given light only has a specific piece of 'information'.

      Re SR, I have already commented on this, and would bring your attention to my response today in James' blog. Though this is something I have said many times, including to you. I would also stress that this is not James personally, this is an urban myth, that keeps being repeated. I mean, I am not sure how one argues against how Einstein defined his own theory!! Indeed, whilst you are at it, forget spacetime, because this is nonsense as a model of reality, there are not just 3 spatial dimensions, and there is no such thing as time.

      Paul

      Paul

      In my theory http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/1272 Light speed variable when passing through the gravitational field depending on the radius r from the center of mass. Schwarzschild geometry illustrating that. Same as when the light beam passing through a tube of length L full of water, the light speed will be decreased for the lab observer. That is because according to my theory vacuum energy of tube full of water will be greater than the vacuum of our laboratory. In my theory what is determining the speed of light is the space-time that is drawn by the field or the vacuum energy. In the case the light beam passing through the water, it is passing through a uniform field for the lab. observer. But in the case of the gravitational field, it not uniform, it is depending on the radius r from the center of mass. Relative to a train moving with constant speed, in this case when the light beam passing through moving train, in this case for the stationary earth observe, the light speed is passing through higher vacuum energy than the earth and thus the speed of light will decreased inside the train and measured to be c'=(c^2-v^2)^0.5 for the earth observer depending on L/t, where L is the length of the train, and t is the time measured by the earth observer by his clock for the light to pass the length of the train. c' here doesn't depend on the direction of transmitting the light beam comparing to the direction of the velocity, and the length of the train during the motion for the earth observer is L same as if it is stationary. Now if the earth observer has an empty tube of length L and he cooled the tube to temperature -237C degree. In this case and according to my equivalence principle, the vacuum energy of the tube is less than the vacuum energy of the lab observer. That is equivalent to as the lab observer is moving with uniform speed v relative to the tube. Remember, in my theory, the light speed is locally constant and equals to c, the speed of light in vacuum. In my modified relativity theory we have got the lost key to unify between quantum and relativity, and by that I could interpret quantum tunneling and entanglement and what is the meaning of faster than light and my interpretation is agreed with the latest experimental results in quantum. Also my interpretation is applied on faster than light relative to the wormholes in general relativity, which is the same interpretation as in quantum.

      in my theory as measuring light speed in a higher vacuum energy to less than the speed of light in vacuum, that lead to refractive index greater than 1. but in the case of measuring the light speed in a less vacuum energy to be greater than light speed in vacuum, the lead to refractive index to be less than 1. I agree with that principle, But in my theory in the case of measuring the refractive index less than one. there is no violation for the Lorentz transformation or causality.

        Paul

        According to quantum theory the information is transformed to us by the wave function. and the collapse of the wave function meaning receiving the information in real. How can we coincide this concept with the concept of relativity that the information is transformed to us by light? the wave function is not a material wave. it is not moving through the space-time with the speed of light. In physics the wave-function is meaningless, but the square of the wave-function represent the probability.

          Paul,

          Leave me and my name out of your incorrect messages:

          Paul: "I would also stress that this is not James personally, this is an urban myth, that keeps being repeated. I mean, I am not sure how one argues against how Einstein defined his own theory!!"

          Special relativity includes and depends inescapably upon length contraction and time dilation.

          You do not understand the meanings of the words in the quotes that you use. You are misrepresenting the meaning of Einstein's words. You are not understanding Lorentz's words. Either return with the correct meaning of 'normal' in your Lorentz quote or stop using my name or offering your incorrect teachings to me. Please learn for a change.

          James

          James

          I was not using your name, I was referring Azzam across to a post in your blog. Indeed, I also added, as you point out, that this is a commonly held view, ie that SR involves length contraction and time dilation; that is it is not yours personally.

          Obviously, if I "do not understand the meaning of the words in the quotes", this implies you do, and are therefore able to countermand what Einstein actually said SR involved. That would be a useful response in your blog, rather than keep asserting I do not know what I am talking about.

          Paul

          Azzam

          I find I am unable to respond with anything different to the post above this. In respect of this one, the point here, in very simple language, is that both are based on faulty logic, ie they are philosophically rather than physically based when it comes to defining how physical reality occurs.

          We are aware (ie see) because an entity known as light is created as a result of interaction with the reality. That ceases to exist, if and when it interacts with an eye. Alternatively, it may of course have hit a brick wall en route, or gone in another direction. That is what physically happens, in respect of sight, then there is hearing, etc, etc, all of which have the same functional logic. Other elementary particles, etc also 'hit' us during their travel. But so what? All that has happened is that certain sensory systems have developed which can utilise certain physical phenomena. The reality does not alter as a result of being sensed, indeed it is not the reality that is sensed, and anyway, that reality has ceased to exist by the time it is sensed. Which brings into question certain statements which only work on the basis of a presumption to the contrary

          Paul.

          James

          In March 2010 researchers at UC Santa Barbara have provided the first clear demonstration that the theory of quantum mechanics applies to the mechanical motion of an object large enough to be seen by the naked eye. In a related experiment, they placed the mechanical resonator in a quantum superposition, a state in which it simultaneously had zero and one quantum of excitation. This is the energetic equivalent of an object being in two places at the same time. The researchers showed that the resonator again behaved as expected by quantum theory. From this experiment we can conclude that the theory that governs the micro and macro world must be same.

          [Ref: Nature, doi:10.1038/news.2010.130]

          If we try to interpret this experiment according to Einstein's SR, we found it impossible existing a particle in two states at the same time for example (a particle can be moving and stationary at the same time). I think this experiment is agreed exactly with what I proposed in my MSRT. In my MSRT equivalence principle (in the case of the particle located in a negative vacuum energy relative to an observer located in a higher vacuum energy , it is possible for the same particle to be doing two contradictory things simultaneously. Through a phenomenon known as 'superposition' a particle can be moving and stationary at the same time -- at least until an outside force acts on it. Then it instantly chooses one of the two contradictory positions. This force which is applied on the particle is produced by transforming the particle from the less vacuum energy to the higher vacuum energy of the observer existed in, as I explained in my theory.

          If you review this experiment, you will find this experiment was done in a very low temperature, that produced a less vacuum energy compared to the lab vacuum energy.

          Dear Azam Almosalami,

          First of all, I would like to congratulate you on your new paper which do agree with the reality and consistence with the present time. On the other hand, luckily your paper contradicts with few old papers, this thing helps me as interested in understanding the fact of physics science. Mr Azam i wish u all the best and go a head towards sustainability and innovation.

          Yours,

          Tony Salem

          Malaysia

          Azzam

          The concepts of Zero Point Energy, and mass-space-time dilation are described in detailed mathematical descriptions in my paper -"From Absurd to Elegant Universe" posted today in this forum. Many of the discussions in this thread are addressed in the paper.

          Thanks

          Avtar Singh

          Dear Avtar,

          Your paper is very interesting, I agree with you with many points. Specially Eq(4) in your paper. Please review my paper http://gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Research%20Papers-Relativity%20Theory/Download/2310

          In my previous paper I used the same equation in order to express about the quantized inertial force and thus expressing about the relativistic quantized gravitational force. in my paper when a particle existed in a gravitational field, apart of the mass of the particle will be changed into energy, this energy is let the particle to be fallen down. The relativistic mass during the particle is falling down is always equal to the rest mass of the particle. This amount of energy is equal to the escape velocity.