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Jim;

Read with interest your speculations regarding the issue of whether the effects of gravity can be canceled.

The new finding of the Higgs Boson, that is associated with the Higgs Field and their interaction with gravitons may turn those and other speculations regarding the cancellation of gravity into a reality. Due to its very basic nature in the cosmos, the Higgs boson may indeed prove to be the God particle because it and its associated Higgs Field are reputed to be the basis for the existence of all mass in the universe. Since mass interacts with gravity, it is difficult to deny that gravity has no interactions with the Higgs Boson and Higgs Field. What and how these interactions occur and take place are a part of these speculations.

Further speculations are that there will be a multitude of theories that will be explored in search of the illusive relationships and interactions of gravitons with the Higgs Field and Boson.

At some point in time our civilization may be sufficiently advanced to manipulate the conditions that convert gravitons into antigravitons. Perhaps now that the Higgs Boson has been found, some enterprising scientist(s) may find a way to convert gravitons into antigravitons.

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James

After your kind comments on my essay I'm very pleased to say I'm able to return the compliment. I find some send me to sleep, but certainly not yours. There is doubtless some way of 'countering' gravity so perhaps we should seriously be looking.

In fact there are a few I know. How useful they are is debatable but all evidence helps if only for elimination.

1. Levitating frogs. An EM effect (Google and U tube will find it if you're not familiar with them).

2. Lagrangian points. Gravity itself can cancel out the effects of gravity. As I just posted elsewhere, there are 5 such points we know of in space in the Earth/Sun?Moon system, where objects float at rest. (ESA are just about to send Gaia to one). Which inply more at the centre of the bodies themselves, not 'crushing' singularities. Centrepetal acceleration works just as well.

3. Jumping. i.e. Reducing inertial reduces gravitational potential, so accelerate towards the potential, i.e. by jumping off a cliff, and the effect of course reduces.

4. The Roswell ship from 'Independence Day'. They carelessly left it's anti-grav drive laying in the wreckage in the desert! Or was that just the movies?! Tricky to tell these days.

Now perhaps we just need to learn from those and package one up in a box. I quite like Frank's soliton as a start point for an em solution. I haven't read Jason's yet.

Best of luck.

Peter

    Hi again Jim,

    Thank you for an excellent essay which deals with the 'gravity problem' as much as mine does. I never did like the expression "gravity is a weak force" incidentally. I prefer to think of the overall effect of baryonic to baryonic gravity being weak, but only because of the configuration of the anisotropic basic matter giving an isotropic larger and longer lasting structural form of matter which we are familiar with.

    I'm also a keen amateur UFO re-engineering enthusiast. I assume you are talking about the metallic saucer type of craft from another world though? My analysis is probably different to yours. I've concluded that most are caused by a living creature native to earth which is adept at remaining undetected. My final thoughts are of an bioluminescent 8-ribbed flying lizard-bird which can also walk bipedally, hence the chupacabra/swamp-creature encounters!

    Cheers!

    Alan

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      James,

      Do you have a citation for this "Contemporary science does tend to scoff at efforts to counteract gravitation, even dampens efforts to discover gravity's force. First of all, the Standard Model has no place for gravity; reputedly, the gravitational force is too weak (10-43compared to 1 for the strong force) for the Planck scale; therefore, the graviton as a carrier force is not included in the Standard Model, not relevant beside the strong, the weak and the electromagnetic force."?

      I ask because I was not aware that the strength of gravity had anything to do with inclusion into the standard model. I didn't think there was a "spot" for it, even if it was stronger.

      Please see my essay for a different take on assumptions within General Relativity.

      Regards,

      Jeff Baugher

        Good point, Jeff. I would suspect that scientists speak of gravity's relevance in not being measurable relative to the other forces, more than anything else in its being so weak, so they ignore it. The discovery of Higgs may throw more light on gravity.

        Jim

        Thanks for your comments, Alan. I've been on vacation. You introduce some heavy stuff that I toil over. I would assume that you speak of quantum gravity models that are based on "anisotropic scaling" of space and time dimensions. And are you speaking of the effects of dark matter? Anisotropy violates one of the cosmological principles, doesn't it?

        As for metallic saucer type crafts, observations have involved many shapes: mother-ship (blimp shape) sauce, triangular, etc). They all have anti-mass buoyancy, impossible maneuvering and speed in common. For example, the Phoenix lights case involved thousands seeing a boomerang-shaped craft as large as a shopping center.

        Jim

        Thanks for your interesting comments, Peter. Sorry for the delay in answering. I have been vacationing. I have used the Lagrangian points in a futuristic novel I have written but my concept of cancelling gravity involves rendering anything with mass mass-less. If you have done analysis of UFO reports and observations, there have been tens of thousands of UFO reports which describe giant craft, weighing hundreds of tons, as having the buoyancy of balloons, the maneuverability of errant boomerangs and speeds not thought possible in our atmosphere. Such observations are so discredited by the media, the FAA, and science that it encourages a giggle-factor. Americans especially are creatures of conformity too easily led by popular opinion. Our political world proves that.

        Jim

        Further thoughts, Russ: "Death again is a question, no one knows about. I am agnostic, as I have to be to be honest with myself. But for me, when I die, I will become part of the Infinite, and depart the finite."

        On a cosmic time scale, we are recycled and return to star dust.

        Jim

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        Hi James,

        I personally do not believe that an anti-gravity or a negative mass particle can be created. 聽You rest you idea on on the apparent ongoing expansion of the universe, but who has proven that it expands? 聽Nobody is the answer, we only observe a redshift in the spectra which we interpret as movement. There may be other explanations.

        Regards

        Anton @ 聽( 聽/topic/1458 聽)

          Thanks for you comments, Anton. Unlike the apparent consensus about the expansion of the universe, I only pose the question, suggesting there is evidence that could point in that direction. I think you are right in cautioning against drawing conclusions until the evidence is overpowering.

          Jim

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          Dear James Lee Hoover!

          I am sorry. I apologize for my poor English.

          Very interesting read your article.

          In my article, I show that negative mass(energy) provides an explanation for dark matter and dark energy.

          Article : Negative mass and negative energy

          Computer simulation on negative mass

          If you read my essay, I will be very happy^^*

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          ~

          For the observation or evidence of negative mass(energy)

          In 1998, an observation by both the HSS team and SCP team obtained a negative mass density from inspected field equations over 70years.(field eq. has a Lamda=0)

          SCP(Supernova Cosmology Project) team : If Lamda=0, Omega_M= - 0.4(±0.1)

          http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/9805201 refer to 7P

          HSS(The High-z Supernova Search) team : If Lamda=0, Omega_M = - 0.38(±0.22)

          http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/9805201 refer to 14P

          However, the two teams which judged that negative mass and negative energy level could not exist in our universe based on "the problem of the transition of the energy level of minus infinity" and they instead revised the field equation by inserting the cosmological constant.

          We must to know that not the equation has disposed the value, but our thought disposed the value.

          Moreover, we considered vacuum energy as the source of cosmological constant Lamda, but the current result of calculation shows 10120, which is unprecedented even in the history of Physics.

          However, if "the problem of the transition of the energy level of minus infinity" does not occur, and thus negative and positive mass can coexist, what would happen?

          It is well known that a cosmological constant can respond to the negative mass density.

          peff = -Lamda/4piG

          Lamda is positive, so peff is negative.

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          Have a Nice day!

          --- Hyoyoung Choi

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            James Lee Hoover

            The Effects of Gravity canceled at moment Big Crunch of the history of the Universe.

            Big Bang; Present; Big Crunch

            c=10^30; c=10^10; c=10^-10

            G=10^12; G=10^-8; G=10^-28

            h=10^-28; h=10^-28; h=10^-28

            alfa =10^-3; 1/ 137; 1

            e=0,1 ; e=e ; e=12

            For details see my essay

            http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/1413

            10 days later

            Dear James,

            You're quite right in pointing out that the gravitational interaction of antimatter with matter has not been established. Of course, if it were repulsive, this would violate Einstein's equivalence principle, but that's what experiments are for! I understand that there is an experiment set to run in 2015 that may resolve this. Take care,

            Ben dribus

              Thanks, Ben. Any more information on this experiment so that I can look it up.

              Jim

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              Dear Jim,

              I read through your essay and here is the promised honest feedback.

              First, a quick summary: as I understand, you propose that given a particle physics type formulation of gravity, it may be possible to give a theoretical underpinning for the possibility that the effects of gravity may be canceled, and furthermore that the recently discovered phenomenon dubbed 'dark energy' may be an indication that this is indeed happening at the largest scale. In the final parts of your paper you mention the possibility that some of the unexplained UFO sightings may already demonstrate that this can be exploited technologically.

              The comments I am about to make and the criticism is meant to be in the spirit of helping you make it more likely to attain what I presume you want, namely that people in your target audience, the physics community, will listen to what you have to say and consider your views seriously.

              1) You should be very careful in phrasing certain sentences that are common knowledge among physicists, so as not to make obviously inaccurate statements. For example, you said:" For Einstein, gravity was not a force at all, but a curvature in space-time, otherwise known as "the fourth dimension."

              This sentence contains two inaccuracies, one minor, the other major. The minor one is that the curvature of spacetime is expressed via the Riemann Tensor, yet it is not the case that gravity *is* the Riemann Tensor. Rather, gravity is expressed in terms of another tensor which can derived from the Riemann Tensor as well as the metric tensor, sometimes called the Einstein Tensor. The major inaccuracy in your sentence is that spacetime is not the fourth dimension, time is.

              Now, I know exactly what you meant, but a less sympathetic reader will use this to dismiss the rest of your paper, which I'm sure is not what you want.

              2) You relied in your exposition of some physics popularizers such as Krauss and Kaku, most likely in part to gain more credibility for your views.

              One of my professors told me an anecdote which shows that (unfortunately) those who spend a lot of time explaining physics to the public do not enjoy a high credibility among many influential scientists because they are thought not to spent enough time doing research. He said that when he organized a certain function and invited a certain physicist of high repute, that person nearly cancelled his appearance when he found out that Carl Sagan was also invited. The only way to get him to come was to arrange it so that there would be no picture in which both would appear together.

              My point is, if not even Carl Sagan had a high credibility in certain circles (which bespeaks of unbelievable arrogance to me), then mentioning Krauss and especially Kaku is not going to help with the credibility of your argument. In fact, citing them gives more of an impression that you don't really know what you are talking about, since otherwise you could have just cited the original scientists who came up with these theories.

              Again, this is not my view, but I am just trying to help you see your work more from the perspective of the community you are evidently trying to reach.

              3) Your mentioning of UFO's is an absolute faux pas, and it seems to me that you already know this, as you stated:" Because our science says this is impossible and such reports

              tend to invite ridicule, serious investigation is left to mostly non-scientific organizations which

              investigate and monitor"

              The only kind of person who can state something like this and still has a chance at being taken seriously is someone who has earned the respect of the scientific community, and even such a person would risk serious damage to his reputation. Certainly if a novice to the field says something like this, it is only taken as an indication that that person suffers from a certain type of delusions

              Ok, I hope you found my criticism helpful, again it was not meant as an offense but rather as a way to help you see your paper through the lens of the people you presumably are trying to reach.

              All the best,

              Armin

                Thank you Hải.Caohoàng for taking the time to read my essay. I never thought I would be in contention for the prize. I write for the challenge, my great interest in cosmology and physics, and the sharing of ideas.Any specific thoughts on the concepts in my essay?

                Jim

                Armin,

                Thank you very much for taking the time to read my essay and providing a sincere effort of constructive criticism. I do note some truth in your comments and what seems to be a concern for "good" authorities and "unblessed" authorities in the field of physics. Frankly, I did not enter this contest with thoughts of winning and did not search for a "safe" topic. I provided a topic that sparked my interest, which as a fundamentally unschooled scientist, I didn't expect to defend well enough, although I did my research. I thought that perhaps scientists more scientifically educated than I might provide their own views without being embarrassed by a derided phenomena, UFOs, considering we are dealing with things that violate the fundamentals. I am aware of my own scientific deficiencies. However, I do hope that UFOs are not a taboo subject and those who consider their existence are not ostracized in this forum. I'm sure that is not the case, considering comments I have received so far.

                Sincerely,

                Jim

                Dear James Lee Hoover,

                As promised in my forum, I am adding more info to my response. In my essay, I explain how general relativity can be derived from a more general theory of gravity when we neglect the interaction and gravitational components of the stress-energy tensor in this latter. The resulting approximated tensor is then the tensor for matter alone T_ab and this is the tensor which you can find in Einstein equations G_ab = (8piG/c^4) T_ab. When we consider the neglected components the Einstein equations are substituted by equations (27) in the reference [9] in my essay. You can see two new terms at the right-hand side of the equation, one explains phenomena associated to dark matter [11], the other explains phenomena associated to dark energy. In fact computing the value of T_ab^{DE}, from first principles, we obtain an excellent agreement with the observed value, solving the cosmological constant problem!

                You ask for attractive gravity in your essay. Well, when the generalized graviton equation is solved we obtain both attractive (spin-2) and repulsive (spin-0) components. Under ordinary Newtonian conditions the repulsive component is small and thus we obtain

                F = F_{2} F_{0} = -3/2 m \grad \Phi 1/2 m \grad \Phi = - m \grad \Phi

                i.e., the ordinary attractive Newtonian force.

                However, for strong gravity the physics is both qualitative and quantitatively different. The repulsive component is much larger and compensates the purely attractive force impeding, for instance, the formation of a singularity during the collapse of a massive star. General relativity misses the correction terms and predicts non-physical singularities.

                Regards.

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                James,

                I had read through your essay, and will again before the end of the contest. After I realized that mine wouldn't make it into the top 35 I decided to approach it from what is currently known about unimodular theory and so have been busy with that (not to mention school). I look forward to posing more questions.

                Regards,

                Jeff