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Paul,

You say "Entanglement gives you a basis for getting it wrong?" Wow, that's a pretty doomed outlook from someone attempting to gain knowledge. The Feynman-inan would now have to say that you should give much thanks to the basis that shares - for without it - we have NO molecular states and everything would be confined to atomic form ... a very local place to hang out rather that molecularily expanding! You may be discarding holistic (George's top/down) by discounting entanglement, and, when life is eventually recognized as that what is "entangled," you place yourself in an un-shared world when I assure you that you physically share it with ~ 7 Billion folks living rather locally.

Anyway - this is George's forum and not mine - I'll end my responses here.

Best regards,

Tony

a month later
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The problem with this approach is that dreams fundamentally, ultimately, naturally, and theoretically unify gravity, inertia, and electromagnetism consistent with our experience as it is seen, felt, and touched.

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I demand and expect honesty and truth from FQXi.org in physics.

10 days later
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I am fascinated by causality and have long wondered why modern science gives it such little attention. Ellis's ideas may or may not prove compelling, but I love the fact that someone is finally talking about it.

a month later
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Our being conscious/alive in conjunction with the FUNDAMENTAL (and ultimate) experience of our growth and becoming other than we are would naturally, theoretically, generally, and fundamentally unify physics and physical experience (seen, felt, AND touched). Dreams do this.

3 months later

The sun makes everything happen. It makes molecules jiggle, assemble, membranes grow etc. When the sun sets, everything dies, and the story starts again the next morning. The first challenge for life to be was to make it through the night, to still be there the next morning. Stick to a hot place and pack up some supplies for the night. Then, life becomes this extended reaction through time, days.

The second challenge of life is to continue beyond the lifetime/expiry date of its components. Transfer the recipe into a new structure, with new components. These structures are still created at random. (micelles)

The third challenge of life is to include into the recipe the making of the required structure; no waiting for chance to create the structure.

That's how I see it. The short story of life.

Marcel,

2 months later
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The [linked and separate] fundamental experience of our growth and becoming other than we are fundamentally, naturally, AND theoretically unifies physics. I already proved this.

George F. R. Ellis and FQXi.org must admit to this foundational, extremely important, and fundamental fact.

2 years later

Answering George Ellis about Einstein's General Relativity

GENERAL RELATIVITY: A CELEBRATION OF THE 100th ANNIVERSARY - Paris, November 16 to 20, 2015. George Ellis (Cape Town): "Einstein's General Theory: What Makes It Different From The Rest Of Physics? Why Does This Make It Difficult To Deal With?"

Unlike the rest of physics which is deductive (based on mechanistic models in the sense described below), Einstein's general relativity is just an empirical model:

"The objective of curve fitting is to theoretically describe experimental data with a model (function or equation) and to find the parameters associated with this model. Models of primary importance to us are mechanistic models. Mechanistic models are specifically formulated to provide insight into a chemical, biological, or physical process that is thought to govern the phenomenon under study. Parameters derived from mechanistic models are quantitative estimates of real system properties (rate constants, dissociation constants, catalytic velocities etc.). It is important to distinguish mechanistic models from empirical models that are mathematical functions formulated to fit a particular curve but whose parameters do not necessarily correspond to a biological, chemical or physical property."

The making of Einstein's general relativity was analogous to "curve fitting". As the following two texts clearly show, Einstein and his mathematical friends had to change and fudge the equations countless times until "excellent agreement" with known in advance results and pet assumptions was reached (that is, their model was empirical, not mechanistic):

Michel Janssen: "But - as we know from a letter to his friend Conrad Habicht of December 24, 1907 - one of the goals that Einstein set himself early on, was to use his new theory of gravity, whatever it might turn out to be, to explain the discrepancy between the observed motion of the perihelion of the planet Mercury and the motion predicted on the basis of Newtonian gravitational theory. (...) The Einstein-Grossmann theory - also known as the "Entwurf" ("outline") theory after the title of Einstein and Grossmann's paper - is, in fact, already very close to the version of general relativity published in November 1915 and constitutes an enormous advance over Einstein's first attempt at a generalized theory of relativity and theory of gravitation published in 1912. The crucial breakthrough had been that Einstein had recognized that the gravitational field - or, as we would now say, the inertio-gravitational field - should not be described by a variable speed of light as he had attempted in 1912, but by the so-called metric tensor field. The metric tensor is a mathematical object of 16 components, 10 of which independent, that characterizes the geometry of space and time. In this way, gravity is no longer a force in space and time, but part of the fabric of space and time itself: gravity is part of the inertio-gravitational field. Einstein had turned to Grossmann for help with the difficult and unfamiliar mathematics needed to formulate a theory along these lines. (...) Einstein did not give up the Einstein-Grossmann theory once he had established that it could not fully explain the Mercury anomaly. He continued to work on the theory and never even mentioned the disappointing result of his work with Besso in print. So Einstein did not do what the influential philosopher Sir Karl Popper claimed all good scientists do: once they have found an empirical refutation of their theory, they abandon that theory and go back to the drawing board. (...) On November 4, 1915, he presented a paper to the Berlin Academy officially retracting the Einstein-Grossmann équations and replacing them with new ones. On November 11, a short addendum to this paper followed, once again changing his field equations. A week later, on November 18, Einstein presented the paper containing his celebrated explanation of the perihelion motion of Mercury on the basis of this new theory. Another week later he changed the field equations once more. These are the equations still used today. This last change did not affect the result for the perihelion of Mercury. Besso is not acknowledged in Einstein's paper on the perihelion problem. Apparently, Besso's help with this technical problem had not been as valuable to Einstein as his role as sounding board that had earned Besso the famous acknowledgment in the special relativity paper of 1905. Still, an acknowledgment would have been appropriate. After all, what Einstein had done that week in November, was simply to redo the calculation he had done with Besso in June 1913, using his new field equations instead of the Einstein-Grossmann equations. It is not hard to imagine Einstein's excitement when he inserted the numbers for Mercury into the new expression he found and the result was 43", in excellent agreement with observation."

"C'est à ce moment de l'histoire que commence celle, méconnue, du manuscrit Einstein-Besso. Le physicien convoque son ami et confident suisse pour l'aider à mener les calculs et tester son ébauche de relativité générale sur un problème bien connu des astronomes : l'anomalie de l'orbite de Mercure. "Depuis la fin du XIXe siècle, on sait de manière de plus en plus précise que le périhélie de cette planète (le point de son orbite le plus proche du Soleil) avance un peu plus que le prévoient les équations de Newton : l'excédent est de 43 secondes d'arc par siècle, c'est-à-dire l'angle sous lequel on voit un cheveu à une distance d'un mètre... Einstein se dit simplement que sa théorie sera validée si elle prédit correctement cette "anomalie" de l'avance du périhélie de Mercure." Une part du manuscrit Einstein-Besso est consacrée à ce test crucial. Aux pages d'Einstein, des lignes d'équations, sans ratures, presque vierges de tout texte, succèdent celles de Besso, un peu plus hésitantes et annotées de nombreuses explications. Le résultat est calamiteux. Au lieu d'expliquer le petit décalage de 43 secondes d'arc par siècle, la nouvelle théorie propose une avance de plus de 1 800 secondes d'arc par siècle. Très loin de la réalité des observations astronomiques ! "Mais, un peu plus loin dans le manuscrit, les deux hommes se rendent compte qu'ils se sont trompés sur la masse du Soleil"... Une erreur d'un facteur 10, qu'ils corrigent finalement, pour parvenir à un résultat moins absurde, mais toujours décevant : 18 secondes d'arc par siècle... Echec complet ? Un peu plus loin, en conclusion d'un tout autre calcul, Einstein écrit : "Stimmt" ("Correct"). "En dépit de l'échec de sa théorie à expliquer l'avance du périhélie de Mercure, Einstein croit avoir démontré autre chose, au détour d'une équation... En mai 1907, il avait eu l'intuition qu'une chute libre peut "annuler" un champ de gravitation. Ici, il pense avoir démontré qu'un mouvement de rotation peut, lui aussi, être considéré comme équivalent à un champ de gravitation. Il croit avoir généralisé son principe d'équivalence." Mais, plus de deux ans plus tard, Einstein comprend que son calcul était faux : il n'a rien généralisé du tout. C'est alors qu'il accepte d'utiliser dans sa théorie le premier tenseur, jugé trop complexe, que lui avait proposé Grossmann. Et en 1915, il teste ce nouveau tenseur sur l'avance du périhélie de Mercure. Cette fois, le résultat est le bon !"

In terms of Einstein's text below, unlike special relativity, general relativity was "a purely empirical enterprise" - Einstein's mathematical friends helped him to compile "a classified catalogue" where known in advance results and pet assumptions (e.g. that of gravitational time dilation) coexisted in an apparently consistent manner:

Albert Einstein : "From a systematic theoretical point of view, we may imagine the process of evolution of an empirical science to be a continuous process of induction. Theories are evolved and are expressed in short compass as statements of a large number of individual observations in the form of empirical laws, from which the general laws can be ascertained by comparison. Regarded in this way, the development of a science bears some resemblance to the compilation of a classified catalogue. It is, as it were, a purely empirical enterprise. But this point of view by no means embraces the whole of the actual process ; for it slurs over the important part played by intuition and deductive thought in the development of an exact science. As soon as a science has emerged from its initial stages, theoretical advances are no longer achieved merely by a process of arrangement. Guided by empirical data, the investigator rather develops a system of thought which, in general, is built up logically from a small number of fundamental assumptions, the so-called axioms."

Pentcho Valev

    7 months later

    Theoretical Physics' Method: Deduction (Nothing Else)

    http://cdn.preterhuman.net/texts/thought_and_writing/philosophy/rationality%20of%20science.pdf

    W. H. Newton-Smith, THE RATIONALITY OF SCIENCE, Routledge, London, 1981, p. 199: "By a theory I shall mean the deductive closure of a set of theoretical postulates together with an appropriate set of auxiliary hypotheses; that is, everything that can be deduced from this set."

    If the theory is not deductive, then it is an "empirical enterprise", that is, no physical theory at all:

    https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/einstein/works/1910s/relative/ap03.htm

    Albert Einstein: "From a systematic theoretical point of view, we may imagine the process of evolution of an empirical science to be a continuous process of induction. Theories are evolved and are expressed in short compass as statements of a large number of individual observations in the form of empirical laws, from which the general laws can be ascertained by comparison. Regarded in this way, the development of a science bears some resemblance to the compilation of a classified catalogue. It is, as it were, a purely empirical enterprise. But this point of view by no means embraces the whole of the actual process ; for it slurs over the important part played by intuition and deductive thought in the development of an exact science. As soon as a science has emerged from its initial stages, theoretical advances are no longer achieved merely by a process of arrangement. Guided by empirical data, the investigator rather develops a system of thought which, in general, is built up logically from a small number of fundamental assumptions, the so-called axioms."

    Einstein's special relativity was deductive (although using a false axiom and invalid arguments) but his general relativity was an "empirical enterprise".

    Pentcho Valev

    Einstein's Empirical "Theory":

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVGAKbRdKcY

    Steven Weinberg: "People suspect that if you have a known fact, the theorist will be able to jiggle his theory to get it into agreement. If you know anything about the way Einstein developed General Relativity, that's not true. He did not design his theory to explain that extra little motion of Mercury."

    On the contrary, Einstein and his mathematical friends had to change and fudge the equations countless times until agreement with known in advance results and pet assumptions was reached (a typical empirical approach):

    http://www.weylmann.com/besso.pdf

    Michel Janssen, "The Einstein-Besso Manuscript: A Glimpse Behind the Curtain of the Wizard"

    http://www.lemonde.fr/planete/article/2010/04/23/einstein-besso-duo-pour-un-eureka_1341703_3244.html

    Stéphane Foucart, "Einstein-Besso, duo pour un eurêka !"

    http://alasource.blogs.nouvelobs.com/archive/2009/01/index.html

    "L'erreur d'Einstein (la deuxieme)"

    Pentcho Valev

    Hello Mr Valev,

    In fact it is an interesting point of vue.Here is my opinion.The special relativity is correct and in the same time not correct considering the gravitation.Here is why.Let's assume our standard model like correct about fermions and bosons.So we have the different forces.There is a problem indeed about gravitation.It implies a necedssity to insert this quantum gravitation.If my reasoning is correct of course, sothe special relativity for bosons photons is correct but this logic is not for gravity.If now we consider that it exists particles of gravitations produced by our cosmological sphères, the spherons in my model produced by BH.They are not bosons.So they are not Under the special relativity.So a boson cannot pass c but a particleof gravitation yes in logic.The relevance is thzt dark matter is probably cmsposed by these spherons implying a sphere of spherons superimposed on the sphere of photons.The other relevance is the linear velocity of theseparticles before encoding.So my seecond equation can help E=mc²+ml² ,we have so a road towards entire entropy and it explains also the incredible velocity of spherons produced by the central BH of the universal sphere.The general relativity is relevant with sphères and rotations,the mass curves the space time and the spherisation is natural linked with the gravitation.More the mass increases respecting the entropical Arrow of time and its irreversibility in its generality,more the spherisation increases naturally.We are connected with the central sphere ,quant and cosmol.So Einstein was right and false simply just due to this standard model needing to be completed with this weak gravitation.Timeafter all is just a duration, we can see our past, we live in our present and we can extrapolate with imagination the future.We can decrease also our internalclocks but is it relevant considering that we cannot return at ourpast.That implies a simple logic of future simply.But the special relativity permits us to class our evolution.

    Regards

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