It From Bit or Bit From It? by Kimmo Rouvari

Hello, Kimmo,

Yes, you're absolutely right: Drawn conclusions are just totally wrong.

You have a very interesting, non-trivial view of reality, its structure and the nature of the information. I wish you success, Vladimir

Kimmo,

See also my essay. You see, maybe something in common. I am sure that the new information age requires new concepts and new constructs to build a unified picture of an essentially sound worlds for physicists and lyrics. Vladimir

Kimmo,

Fascinating essay, original and very 'real'. I also think I may have actually employed something like the Rouvari effect to great effect in my own essay!

I particularly agree; "interaction is stored in form of rotation frequency and rotation axis orientation changes, into the interacting objects."

I certainly also derive and apply the rotational axis, and, adding translation on the axis, also discuss the 'helix' described. This proves important in resolving the EPR paradox. I think your;

"In case of two, same spin, particles meet in appropriate conditions they process that information by precessing until they have reached parallel rotation axis orientation. End state of this process is a stored information in form of new spinning rates and spin axis orientations of particles involved."

Is a very good description. I also extract some implicit subtleties of 'charge density'. Then I was really impressed with your phrase consistent with my 'information channel' from 'detector' to 'processor' (brain);

"when receptors in an eye process photon information with certain energy, it releases a small current into a ones brains. Brains receive the information in form of electric current but how the brains store that information? Only option is to change brains structure and that's really happening when brains store information."

But of course brains also "process", so analyse and derive conclusions. Which is where I suggest it all goes wrong!!

Long live reality! Good bit of ripping down nonsense curtains. I think it deserves to be higher up the list and have you marked down for a much better score. Have you given a definitive concise definition of your 'effect'? I hope I've helped rip down more of the curtain some areas so hope you can read my essay. I'm pretty sure is resolves the EPR paradox! But reality doesn't seem yet entirely in fashion.

Well done and best of luck

Peter

Hi Kimmo,

I like the use of the word curtain and the fact you talk about observation. You may (or may not be) interested in my essay which also looks at observation at and beyond event horizons. We may have some common ground?

I think you have paid good attention to the essay guidelines in your different sections - making it very relevant.

Best wishes,

Antony

Kimmo,

If information and particles are the same, what is the role of consciousness. That would mean that humans are information and atoms.

Jim

Dear Kimmo

Your image of a ripped curtain behind which the truth of a new physics is revealed is wonderful (even Hitchcock used it in his movie "Torn Curtain" also involving pohysics!). In my fqxi essay I used the image of a Cloud to show how we make mistakes in observing reality and making theories about it.

Your essay is based on your interesting ToEbi which I also looked at in vixra. Your theory has some interesting similarities to my own 2005 Beautiful Universe Theory also found here where the basis is the exchange of angular momentum in an ether lattice. There are differences too, because there is no 'collision' in my model. In either case I know how difficult it is to convince mainline physicists to start thinking along new lines. I wish you the best of luck

Vladimir

Kimmo,

If given the time and the wits to evaluate over 120 more entries, I have a month to try. My seemingly whimsical title, "It's good to be the king," is serious about our subject.

Jim

Dear Kimmo. Hello Apologies if this does not apply to you. I have read and rated your essay and about 50 others. If you have not read, or did not rate my essay The Cloud of Unknowing please consider doing so. With best wishes.

Vladimir

Dear Kimmo Rouvari ,

Thanks for your nice essay, well done

I enjoy reading it and rate it accordingly

In order to really know the answer we have to take a look at behind the curtain. What curtain? And what should we see? The curtain is current understanding and knowledge in particle physics and behind the curtain lays bare naked truth of the nature. We are ready to rip off the curtain.

what is the main idea to rip off the curtain? to understand information?

and from a different point view, my essay may interest you

Bit: from Breaking symmetry of it

Hope you enjoy it

Regards,

Xiong

Kimmo,

I truly enjoyed your insight and analogies. I most certainly agree, it is time to rip off the curtains and dig deeper. Although you have a different approach than I do, I found your essay inspiring and most worthy of merit.

I wish you the best of luck.

Regards,

Manuel

Kimmo,

I suspect and hope you may just find a hint from the processes discussed in my essay. I hope you get to read and like it as it needs all the points it can get! I've just added yours, which you can rest assured were far more than the very mean score below. Experimentation is important and your finding may be very important.

I don't think co-incident views should be an important factor in scoring, and also think most scoring is far too low to reflect the quality and value of essays. Do please let me know if you think my findings may help reveal any insights.

Very best wishes

Peter

Dear Kimmo,

I have down loaded your essay and soon post my comments on it. Meanwhile, please, go through my essay and post your comments.

Regards and good luck in the contest,

Sreenath BN.

http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/1827

Dear Kimmo Rouvari,

In your brief article you have clearly stated what you want to say regarding the current topic of the essay, that is, It from Bit or Bit from It. You have, through your rigorous logical argument established the relationship between It and Bit by saying ultimately that "It is Bit and Bit is It". This is also the conclusion reached by me by different arguments when I say "Bit comes from It but mind can know of It only through Bit". This is also what is told by you when you say "increase in information correspondingly increases the complexity of reality.

Thanks for your elegantly argued article and hence I would like to rate it with maximum score. Please also go through my essay (http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/1827) and express your comments on it in my thread.

Best wishes,

Sreenath