Hey Antoine!

I think that the essay addresses the fundamental question of how o progress in physics with the concept of information quite well. The expressions for Planck's constant and the formal reduction to Newton's law of force seemed to fit well! I especially liked the mathematical treatment of the concepts with the basic figure-drawn math. It reminded me vaguely of the popular explanatory examples of Special Relativity in that sense. I do think that it is is a mistake to cancel out the gravity field when considering the force between two moving particles. This is such because I can not see the motion of one particle vanishing in its entirety. Because of its spherical shape, if it was extended, it seems to me that no reference point could be taken that doe not have some part of the information circle curved or surrounded by the particle. Particularly, the statement leading to the assumption directly before section 5 that

"Accelerating this way has the effect that the extern(al?) gravitational field is cancelled in the origin of the reference frame anchored to m2"

is not the right way to do business. Besides this, I found the essay to go over more of the grit and grunt work of dealing with information than others, perhaps. Please clear this up or defend your position.

    Hello William,

    Thanks for your comments on my essay.

    In §4 it is shown how the composite gravitational field intermediates in the interaction between particles that are moving relative to an inertial reference frame. For practical reasons ("the body of the essay may not exceed 9 pages") the discussion is limited to the case of particles whose speeds can be neglected compared to the speed of light. In §5.2 of the article "GRAVITATION EXPLAINED BY THE THEORY OF INFORMATONS" (reference 6 - direct link) the interaction between moving masses is treated in a more general context. It turns out that the force between two moving masses according to the theory of informatons perfectly agrees with that based on S.R.T. (§5.2.4.2).

    The statement

    "Accelerating this way has the effect that the external gravitational field is cancelled in the origin of the reference frame anchored to m2"

    is based on the principle of equivalence. From that principle it follows that if a body is in a uniform gravitational field and is at the same time accelerating in the direction of that field with an acceleration whose magnitude equals that due to the field, particles in such a body will behave as though they are in an inertial reference frame with no gravitational field.

    According to the principle of equivalence, a uniform gravitational field in an inertial reference frame {O} is cancelled if it is observed in a reference frame {O'} that is accelerating in the direction of the field with an acceleration whose magnitude equals that due to the field.

    Because the g-field in a point of a gravitational field in the essay is identified as the density of the flow of g-information in that point, there can be no transport of g-information in the accelerated reference system {O'}. This implies that the g-index of the informatons should be cancelled in {O'}.

    In the attachment#1 "INFLUENCE OF THE ACCELERATION OF THE REFERENCE SYSTEM ON THE GRAVITATIONAL FIELD" we show that this is indeed the case.Attachment #1: FXQi__attachment_1.pdf

    17 days later

    Dear Uncle Acke

    So,we can be defined for information is :The absorption and transmission the impact of material,or not ?

    http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/1802

      Hallo Dear Mister Hoang cao Hai,

      Can you, please, formulate your question more clearly?

      16 days later

      Antoine,

      If given the time and the wits to evaluate over 120 more entries, I have a month to try. My seemingly whimsical title, "It's good to be the king," is serious about our subject.

      Jim

      15 days later

      Dear Antoine,

      I truly enjoyed your insight and 'theory of informatons' hypothesis as stated in your essay. Although you have a different approach than I do, I find your analytical approach inspiring and most worthy of merit and so have rated it accordingly.

      Best wishes to you and your work and I hope you do well in the competition.

      Regards,

      Manuel

      Dear Manuel,

      I thank you very much for your kind comment and wishes.

      Regards,

      Antoine.

      5 days later

      Dear Professor Acke

      Thank you for your message. I have read your essay and see that you have developed the mathematics of your interesting magnetogravitation quite thorougly. In 'my' phyics I always try to imagine a model visually and mechanically, so I tried to imagine what the Electric density and The Magnetic density and the Information field in your theory can look like.

      In principle I completely agree with you that gravity and electromagnetism are one and the same phenomena. In my 2005 Beautiful Universe Theory also found here I described heuristically how the same lattice of rotating universal building blocks or nodes can describe e/m, electrostatics and gravity. In your theory you assume virtual 'informatons' that implement the gravitational force. In my theory node-to-node transfer of angular velocity is the only energy needed. Perhaps in a deep sense our theories can be found to be similar. One difference is that the transfer occurs at a maximum speed of light but slows down as in an optical field, when gravity is strong, while your informatons always travel at 'c'.

      My BU theory is based on a United Dipole Field theory where electromagnetic, gravitational and quantum fields are essentially the same. It can be found on my website as well as on ArXiv.

      You mention a 'corkscrew' effect in your field - is it responsible for the e/m right-hand rule? And if so how is it physically implemented?

      I wish I had your mathematical skill to describe my ideas - and I am also envious of your being in Ghent - a city I visited and loved in the early 1960's. When I found the youth hostel closed and I had to spend the night walking around and admiring the colorfully lit medieval architecture. Also the unforgettable sorrowful face of Mary in the Man Van Smarten painting.

      With best wishes

      Vladimir

        Dear prof. Antoine,

        I have down loaded your essay and soon post my comments on it. Meanwhile, please, go through my essay and post your comments.

        Regards and good luck in the contest,

        Sreenath BN.

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          Dear Vladimir,

          Thanks for your comments on my essay and for your remarks about my "Theory of Informatons" that is developed thouroughly in ref 6 and in ref 7. In the frame of that theory, the concept "information" has a specific meaning.

          1. When we say that it is the substance of gravitational and electromagnetic fields, we mean that "information carried by informatons" makes these fields what they are: not just mathematical constructions but elements of the natural world.

          2. The constituent element of that substance is called an "informaton". The theory starts from the hypothesis that any material object manifests itself in space by emitting informatons at a rate that is proportional to its rest mass: the rest mass is the only factor that determines the rate at which an object emits informatons. Informatons run through space with the speed of light.

          3. The fundamental attribute of an informaton is called its "g-index". The g-index of an informaton refers to information about the position of its emitter. It is the only attribute of an informaton emitted by an electrically neutral object at rest. It is represented by a vectorial quantity {s-g} that points to the emitter and whose magnitude is the "elementary quantity of g-information". Macroscopically, the density of the flow of g-information in a point is identified as the "g-field" {E-g}.

          4. Informatons emitted by an electrically charged object at rest have moreover an attribute that refers to information about the electrical status of their emitter. This attribute is called the "e-index". The e-index of an informaton refers to information about the sign of the charge, about the position and about the ratio of the quantity of charge Q to the mass m of its emitter. The e-index is represented by a vectorial quantity {s-e} that is on the line connecting the informaton with its source, the magnitude of {s-e} is proportional to Q/m. Macroscopically, the density of the flow of e-information in a point is identified as the "e-field" {E}.

          5. An object at rest emits informatons whose g-index (and whose e-index) has the same direction as their velocity {c}. This is no longer the case when the emitter is moving. How greater the speed of the emitter, how greater the deviation of {s-g} (and of {s-e}) relative to {c}: this deviation is characteristic for the speed of the emitter. The additional attribute of an informaton referring to g-information about the status of motion of its emitter is called its "beta-index" ("b-index" in relation to e-information). The beta-index is represented by a vectorial quantity {s-beta} that is perpendicular to the plain ({s-e},{c}) ("corkscrew effect"), the magnitude of {s-beta} is proportional to the component of the velocity of the emitter that is perpendicular to the velocity of the informaton. The analogue attribute in relation to e-information is called the "b-index" {s-b}. Macroscopically,the density of the cloud of beta-information in a point is identified as the g-induction {B-g}, and the density of the cloud of b-information as the magnetic induction {B}.

          6. The theory of informatons explains gravitational and electromagnetic forces as the reaction of a material object on the disturbance of the characteristic symmetry of its "own" cloud of g/e-information by the flux of g/e-information emitted by other objects. There is no mechanical interaction between informatons and matter: informatons are mass and energy less entities.

          7. The theory of informatons explains why gravitational and electromagnetic fields are isomorphic. From its starting points it follows that its scope is limited to the spacetime of the SRT and that its results are in line with this theory.

          From 5 and 6 it follows that the interaction between moving masses/charges is governed by the "right-hand rule".

          I wish I had your talent to describe my ideas in a less mathematical way and with more imagination. My style is the result of my studies in the applied sciences at the University of Ghent in the period when you visited our historic city with its numerous monuments and works of art.

          With the best wishes,

          Antoine

          Dear Sreenath,

          I will do that.

          Regards and reciprocal wishes,

          Antoine

          Anton

          Fascinating essay and ideas, original and obviously well developed. The heavy lacing of maths didn't help the flow but I can see like me that you're a practical man who values evidence.

          I did find a slightly analogous link with my Huygens spherelets expanding at c so I think I could follow your conceptions, but never easy with something so original.

          Very well done for all the thought and work, and worth a good score from me for sure. I shall keep my eye open for more on informatons. I wonder what you may make of mine which is slightly similarly 'outlying' and original, at once outside the box but more empirically based ..and very ambitious! Do give me your views.

          Very best of luck.

          Peter

            Peter,

            Thanks for your positive comments on my essay.

            As stated in the abstract, the intention of "the theory of informatons" is to explain the GEM-description of gravitation. GEM identifies the gravitational field as a composite vector field that mediates in the gravitational interactions between (whether or not moving) particles. That field - a purely mathematical construction - is defined by four relations (the GEM equations) that are analogue to Maxwell's equations for the electromagnetic field.

            To justify the hypothesis that g-information (information carried by informatons) is the substance of gravitational fields - that a gravitational field is a cloud of g-information - it is necessary that we can deduce the GEM equations from the dynamics of the informatons and that we can show that the gravitational force is an effect of the interactions between the masses and the cloud of g-information in which these are "immersed". It is obvious that this is impossible to realize without a lot of mathematics. In the essay you find an introduction, the details are elaborated in ref 6.

            I will go through your essay and give you my views.

            Very best luck,

            Antoine

            Dear Antoine,

            Thanks for your comments on my essay and shortly I am going to post my comments on your essay in your thread and rate your essay accordingly.

            Best wishes,

            Sreenath

            Dear eaAntoine Acke,

            In your thought provoking essay you have demonstrated in simple terms the sort of relationship existing between the gravitational field and the electro-magnetic field. For this you have invented the concept of "informaton". Informatons carry the information of the gravitational field. It is interesting to note that you have made informatons more basic to "gravitons" and that gravitons are just an aspect of informatons emitted by an oscillating point mass which transport a packet of energy: they appear as gravitons. The concept of a cloud carrying informatons is quite imaginative. You have based your theory not only on simple original concepts but also have used simple mathematics to derive the sort of relationship existing between both gravitational and the electro-magnetic fields. The notion of a point charge carrying an electro-magnetic field and also at the same time emitting gravitational field or vice versa is simply amazing. If you have time, please, go through my previous year's fqxi essay contest (2012) paper, in which I have tried to connect both fields on the basis of QG theory but on entirely different concepts and I want to have your reaction to that. I am also currently working on the mathematical aspects of that theory and if you are interested, please, inform me to give a consistent mathematical formulation to that.

            For your innovative essay I have given an excellent rate.

            Best of luck,

            Sreenath

              Dear Sreenath,

              Thanks for your positive comments.

              The "theory of informatons" allows to explain the gravitational (ref 6) and the electromagnetic field (ref 7) as the macroscopic manifestation of what I call "informatons", and to understand the gravitational and the electromagnetic interactions as the reaction of an object on the disturbance of its own cloud of informatons (its field) by the flux of informatons emitted by other objects. One can say that the relation of the "theory of informatons" to "the theory of fields" is similar to that of the "kinetic theory of gases" to the "ideal-gas law": the informatons play the role that is played by the molecules.

              The identification of a photon (and a graviton) with an informaton carrying a quantum of energy is developed in §6 of ref 7 and allows us to understand the strange behaviour of light as described by QED.

              I will with pleasure go through your essay of 2012 and I am interested in your further work.

              Best of luck,

              Antoine.

              Hi Antoine,

              Thank you for attention to my work and for offering your essay. I LIKE IT and I have download it. Soon I will tell you some more certainly. By the way we are colleagues!

              Best wishes,

              George

              Dear Antione,

              Apologies - I thought I'd already commented. I've been having problems on my device with comments not posting at first try (or sometimes posting twice).

              I like you essay very much, as anything that seeks to unify the forces of nature is a noble quest, which I find very interesting.

              I too have a theory which partly unifies the four forces and resolves the three paradoxes of cosmogony, but in my case based on geometry; yet it too states that information must always travel at c.

              I like the concept of informatons too - great name!

              If you get chance please take a look at my essay, although very different from yours, you may find it of some interest, perhaps it might offer application to your work or vice-versa.

              Best wishes,

              Antony