Thanks Angel,

Wow! There certainly does seem to be a nice relationship. Even better, because you've predicted the mass of Higg's and if it matches refined data over time, you're onto a winner!

I wish I could handle mathematics as fluently as you. The links you've shown are strong, certainly don't seem coincidence.

I used the Koide formula along with the simplex geometries to relate the mass of the proton, neutron and electron from an expected 1/2 value to a result of 0.49999994.

I like this sort of way numbers relate to the real world!

Nice work!

Antony

Hi Anthony -

Thanks for stopping by my page and reading my essay. Your kind comments were most appreciated.

I only wish we could permit ourselves a more detailed analysis of each other's work - but there are so many works to read, and to rate, in order to make the contest as valid as possible for everyone.

Thanks again, Anthony - and best of luck in the contest!

John

Dear Antony I am very interesting in forms of koide formulas, for stong connections to electric chargue, the mass, and the square root of ratios of masses ( implications of existence of imaginary masses non observables)

Do you like let me read yours papers for this question?

I put here my paper for the masses of quarks obtained in koide form and solely with the sin and cos of Cabibbo angle. The formulas are very simple and very accurate

Thanks!!!

Simple Formulas that Generates the Quarks Masses

Authors: A. Garcés Doz

In this paper we present a very simple formulas that generate the quark masses as a very direct functions sine and cosine of the Cabibbo angle. The accuracy of the results are very big in relation to the latest experimental values.

http://vixra.org/abs/1301.0015

Dear Angel,

I'll take a look, and yes I'll post a link too, as soon as I can.

Best wishes,

Antony

Hi Anthony,

If nothing can escape from behind the event horizon of a black hole, no photons nor gravitons so an outside observer cannot interact with what's inside, then to him all positions within the horizon would be physically identical. Though such a thing is possible in a mathematical space where all points are defined to be identical but for their coordinate numbers, this is impossible in a physical space where different points by definition are different physically, so the diameter of the event horizon cannot be non-zero so a black hole doesn't have an event horizon. I'm afraid that there's something wrong with general relativity, that part of it describes the physics of a fictitious universe (see my post at this thread).

I do, however, agree with your statement that ''It and Bit appear equally fundamental - a sort of ''chicken and egg'' relationship.''

The information as embodied in particle properties (which can be thought of as internalized rules of behavior, the expression of laws of physics) in a self-creating universe must be the product of a trial-and-error evolution. If 'its', particles, particle properties must be as much the cause as the effect of their interactions, of a continuous energy/information exchange, then information only can evolve, become information when molded into material particles and tested in actual particle interactions: only such information survives which enables its embodiments to survive, to manifest themselves as real particles. So you cannot have one without the other indeed.

Best, Anton

    Hi Anton,

    Thanks for reading and your comments. I'm not sure event horizons don't exist. Certainly observation horizons are very real, and indirect evidence does indeed point to black hole existence too..

    However, this type of relationship ought to apply to particles too, so should become evident from particle collisions as you correctly state.

    Also computer simulations using simple parameters from my more comprehensive theory should produce a Universe where Fibonacci sequence is produced and Black Holes occur.

    Thanks again for being so kind as to read and comment. I'll take a look at the link you've left.

    Nice to "meet" you and best wishes,

    Antony

    Also, some matter does escape as Hawking radiation. But nice to see somebody else conclude Bit and It are equally fundamental.

    Best wishes,

    Antony

    One quick question. Why can't a black hole have a non zero diameter? A singularity is zero in size, but the black hole as a whole does have size.

    Interesting point though.

    Agreed - no problem John.

    Best wishes to you too!

    Antony

    Hi Antony,

    I like your essay connecting the Fibonacci sequence with information storage in black holes.

    The concept of black holes and their link to singularities seems to be shifting these days. My own viewpoint is that there is no singularity and that the entity that is a black hole can be viewed equivalently as a mass with a radius or as a ball of energy with a wavelength. I do not know if this would be of benefit to your thesis, if you think it may check out:

    http://www.digitalwavetheory.com/DWT/39_The_Schwarzschild_Radius.html

    Thanks for your essay,

    Don Limuti

      Hi Dom,

      Thanks for the kind comments and link. I'll take a look. The singularity can be skipped in this model while still being mathematically allowed. The model suggests information can't be there, but instead remains in flux, whether there is a physical black hole, mass with a radius or just a ball of energy expressed by wavelength. So hopefully the sequence fits well with many other schemes.

      Thanks again and best wishes for the contest! Really liked your essay.

      Antony

      A black hole have not singularity

      Singularity = infinite wawe lengths with limit zero= energy infinite

      This problem is equal to renormalization metod of quantum

      The fusion GR-Quantum will be for quantization of space-time with a minimun length, time and mass

      The power evaporation of a black hole and de fibonacci serie

      P= (h x c^6)/15360 x Pi x Gn^2 x m^2

      15360 = 240 ( K(8d) ) x 8^2

      Fibonacci divisors of 240

      1+1+2+3+5+8=20

      Golden number = Phi

      233 = 13th fibonacci number

      15360 = (Phi)^20 + (Phi)^-20 + 233

      {DiM[SO(7)] + cos(13.04 degree)} x 233= 5120

      5120 = integer factor time evaporation equation blackhole

      13.04= Cabibbo angle ( quarks)

      Regards

      Hi Angel,

      Indeed this is a problem around singularities and Planck scale. I think that's why 0 dimensionality is a problem for any information including mass to exist at. So skipping over this such as my Fibonacci theory suggests resolved it.

      No information sits there but it does exist as a driving force to recycle information back into Hawking Radiation.

      Best wishes,

      Antony

      Hello Antony,

      Your essay is quite intriguing in so far as it attempts to take number relations which are seen to have an actual correspondence in nature, into the more abstract areas of "conservation of information" and the make up of a black-hole. A challenging exercise which should pay off in a discrete universe. I feel I should not comment further without your permission because the Fibonacci sequence can be easily overlaid on Hierarchical Space-Time without resort to "fewer then three dimensions" or "negative dimensions"; I suspect you see this possibility. I also note some interesting comments posted on your essay. Dr. Klingman's position that "transfer of energy" is fundamental to the nature of information is beyond question, but I would say "exchange of energy" allows us to define the relationship between "observer", "observation" and that which is "observed", but then exchange of energy isn't always apparent. John Merryman's insistence that "time is an effect of action" is also fundamental, but I would say that time is observed, and that makes time an effect driven by the exchange of energy, i.e. an exchange of measurements. These factors may help your thinking with respect to entropy and the second law of thermodynamics as they apply to your conception.

      One way or the other, well done!

      Regards.

      Zoran.

        I enjoyed your essay Anthony.

        It was fun to read and engaging. I think you were a bit imprecise in some of your Physics, or lack a fuller understanding for a more detailed description, but it was a nice job overall. The journey down the Black Hole was great up to a point, but what goes on once the event horizon is crossed could be a little different from what you describe. However; I'm not going to jump in and check. Besides; if I did (and somehow survived!) I could never tell you what I found.

        But then again; Fibonacci continues... So maybe my tale would too.

        All the Best,

        Jonathan

        Hello Zoran,

        Thanks for your comments.

        Best wishes for the contest,

        Antony

        Thanks for your comments Jonathan,

        Glad you enjoyed it. I'd opt for my description needing to be more detailed rather than imprecise. Obviously we can't say what happens inside a Black Hole. However, we can extrapolate these types of observation/being observed pathways. Good point though.

        I realise the mention of spaghettification past the event horizon isn't always the case - sometimes this happens outside the black hole. The point isn't this effect, but the way all pathways eventually tend towards 1-dimensionality - or at least hinted at by extrapolation as said.

        I make this point, because for example, the Big Bang is an extrapolation too. We can never measure, but we have other data which tells us.

        If I have indeed been imprecise, please let me know where, so I can either clarify things, or re-assess the theory.

        Best wishes,

        Antony

        Dear Antony,

        Thanks for posting comments in I to the bit to the it to the bit to the I.. I have ready your essay and liked the way you have interpreted Fibonacci series application on the "relative" reality.

        I would like to convey a simple truth that singularity is not only a relative infinity or zero, but absolute equality of everything. Absolute truth is that there is only singularity everywhere and all the relativity is an illusion. This is the absolute mathematical truth of zero = I = infinity. There is only I or singularity in the universe. I creates (Generates), sustains (Orders) and Destroys (Dismantles) everything. I is GOD.

        Love,

        Sridattadev.

          Dear Sridattadev,

          I have also found that 0 can display infinite characteristics. I agree that zero/singularity such as that we envisage at the start of time, is still mathematically conserved.

          Good points and thanks for reading and commenting too.

          Best wishes,

          Antony

          Hi Zoran,

          A singularity surely has fewer than 3-dimensions doesn't it? Also, the 2 and 1 dimensionality I spoke of, was with regard to information process and pathways tending away from 3 towards zero. I found that there are definite separate points where information should only exchange at Fibonacci numbers of dimensions.

          The negative dimensionality explains (-1) negative energy, hence particles being ejected via Hawking Radiation.

          -3 dimensionality explains what happens to the Universe as the Black Hole grows - it loses some curved space-time or shrinks - it gains some space. I.e. it balances perfectly. Dimensionality is conserved.

          Best wishes,

          Antony