Dear Unnikrshnan,

You are certainly correct to state that, if I am highly critical of current theories of physics, I should expect equally critical examination of my own theory. You are also correct that page 3 does not constitute a theory. With a 9 page limit it is difficult to furnish a complete example of a theory, and also discuss the nature of the reality of information, in support of the main theme. But that is what page 12 is intended to support, and what my references 10, 11, 14, 22, 24, 25, 26,and 28 contain. So yes, I think it is a theory, with predictions, and suggestions for tests, and explanations for current anomalies that other theories cannot explain. And as I mention with respect to my newly worked out n-GEM technique of 'non-linearizing' the weak field equation(s), I hope to provide much more quantitative predictions in the reasonable near future.

Thank you for reading and commenting on my essay.

Best regards,

Edwin Eugene Klingman

Hello Edwin from Margriet O'Regan from DownUnder - I just finished a very long commentary on your fine essay & thanking you for your encouragement & I pushed the wrong button & lost it - I think !! I'm so cross with myself, I enjoyed your essay very much - I might try again later today (actually its 3.30 am here !!!)

Regards

Margriet

    Hi Margriet from DownUnder,

    Sorry to hear the dog ate your homework. That has happened to me so many times that I now prepare long comments offline in WordPad or equivalent, then copy the comment over. Then if it eats it, I still have it.

    Anyway, thanks for reading and commenting. As I remarked on your page, we have largely arrived at a similar general model of consciousness and information, although the specifics of the 'interstitial fluid' differ in details.

    Again, welcome to FQXi and thanks for submitting your essay. Most of your feedback was good, which should make you happy as this was your first effort at a paper or essay.

    Best wishes,

    Edwin Eugene Klingman

    Edwin,

    In my usual distracted fashion, it has taken me several tries to read through your essay. It pulls a lot together and the wires in my brain get crossed.

    The result is that I have to look at things very simplistically and other ways of thinking keep popping up.

    Rather than the gravity field as the source of consciousness, why not light?

    Consciousness is not structured, but simply the element of awareness. It is only as it condenses down into denser forms of mass that structure and complexity emerge, so it would be that knowledge is the increasingly complex concentration of awareness and gravity is this process of concentration.

    Then gravity is simply the vacuum effect of light coalescing into mass, rather than a property of mass. Much as mass releasing light creates pressure. Both pressure and vacuum can be modeled geometrically, without needing their own particles and waves. So light and radiation is the gravity wave; What escapes as mass keeps getting ever more concentrated.

    Of course, black holes are the center of much larger gravity fields and seem more likely to be the vortices/eye of the storm, at the center, rather then some object or other worldly dimension. Then whatever actually falls in, is spun back out the poles as cosmic rays, being shot across the universe.

    So if gravity is a contraction of light, this would mean free photons/light quanta, are not dimensionless points, but more diffuse fields and it is this expanding effect which creates redshift proportional to distance, as well as why gravity and expansion are inversely proportional, since they would be opposite sides of a cosmic convection cycle. If convection pretty much defines the atmospheric and geologic activity on this planet, as well as all others and their stars, why wouldn't it be the basis for galactic activity as well?

    Then we wouldn't need inflation, or dark energy and dark matter either, since it is all "glued" together and those outer rings of the galaxies are being pulled along. Those outer stars are first generation anyway and lack heavy elements.

    Regards,

    JM

      I like the approach you took with your essay. The historical stuff, the illustrations, and the examples you gave make for a much more interesting read. I think your prose is also clear cut and makes otherwise hard to grasp philosophical things--like the essay prompt--easier to understand, which is good for making your essay more accessible. There is a bit of esoteric maths, not too much, but more than I would prefer in a essay entry for this contest. Alas, I think the conclusion in my essay corroborates your intuitions about forces (e.g., gravity) being more real than bits.

      Please see my essay: All Your Base Are Belong To Math.

      - Kyle Miller

      P.s. I attached an updated version of my entry for last year's contest, I thought you might enjoy it.Attachment #1: The_Quantum_Supremacy2.pdf

        Dear Edwin,

        We are at the end of this essay contest.

        In conclusion, at the question to know if Information is more fundamental than Matter, there is a good reason to answer that Matter is made of an amazing mixture of eInfo and eEnergy, at the same time.

        Matter is thus eInfo made with eEnergy rather than answer it is made with eEnergy and eInfo ; because eInfo is eEnergy, and the one does not go without the other one.

        eEnergy and eInfo are the two basic Principles of the eUniverse. Nothing can exist if it is not eEnergy, and any object is eInfo, and therefore eEnergy.

        And consequently our eReality is eInfo made with eEnergy. And the final verdict is : eReality is virtual, and virtuality is our fundamental eReality.

        Good luck to the winners,

        And see you soon, with good news on this topic, and the Theory of Everything.

        Amazigh H.

        I rated your essay.

        Please visit My essay.

          Yep !!!!! I finally figured out how to write it up off line & then copy it in, thanx !!!! So now even though it's all so last minute-ly I'm rattling off my enthusiastic comments to other essayists every 15min or so - as, of course I kinda wrote up a 'blanket statement' . .... with personalized comments added at the last second - & not faked ones I can assure you as this intellectual adventure has been one of if not the best I've ever had - reading AND COMMUNICATING with other 'searchers' !!!!! wow ....

          So here is my 'one-size-fits-all' as it does emphasize at least one aspect of my findings which I didn't stress in my essay . . ..

          My own investigations have led me to conclude that 'information' is NOT digits - no kind, variety or amount of them (including any that can be extracted from quantum phenomena!), nor how algorithmically-well they may be massaged & shunted through any device that uses them.

          Unequivocally they - digits - make for wonderful COUNTING & CALCULATING assistants, witness our own now many & various, most excellent, counting, calculating devices BUT according to my investigations real thinking is an entirely different phenomenon from mere counting, calculating & computing.

          For which phenomenon - real thinking - real information is required.

          My own investigations led me to discover what I have come to believe real information is & as it so transpires it turns out to be an especially innocuous - not to omit almost entirely overlooked & massively understudied - phenomenon, none other than the sum total of geometrical objects otherwise quite really & quite properly present here in our universe. Not digits. It's ALL ANALOGUE.

          One grade (the secondary one) of geometrical-cum-informational objects lavishly present here in our cosmos, is comprised of all the countless trillions & trillions of left-over bump-marks still remaining on all previously impacted solid objects here in our universe - that is to say, all of the left-over dents, scratches, scars, vibrations & residues (just the shapes of residues - not their content!) (really) existing here in the universe.

          Examples of some real geometrical objects of this secondary class in their native state are all of the craters on the Moon. Note that these craters are - in & of themselves - just shapes - just geometrical objects. And the reason they are, also one & at the same time, informational objects too, can be seen by the fact that each 'tells a story' - each advertises (literally) some items of information on its back - each relates a tale of not only what created it but when, where & how fast & from what angle the impacting object descended onto the Moon's surface. Again, each literally carries some information on its back.

          (Note : Not a digit in sight !!)

          How we actually think - rather than just count, calculate & compute - with these strictly non-digital entities, specifically these geometrical-cum-informational objects, in precisely the way we do, please see my essay.

          I did not make the distinction between computing with digits & real thinking with real information, sufficiently strongly in my essay.

          This contest is such a wonderful 'sharing' - Wow - & open to amateurs like myself - Wow. How great is that !!! Thank you Foundational Questions Institute!!! What a great pleasure it has been to participate. What a joy to read, share & discuss with other entrants !!!

          Margriet O'Regan

          Late-in-the-Day Thoughts about the Essays I've Read

          I am sending to you the following thoughts because I found your essay particularly well stated, insightful, and helpful, even though in certain respects we may significantly diverge in our viewpoints. Thank you! Lumping and sorting is a dangerous adventure; let me apologize in advance if I have significantly misread or misrepresented your essay in what follows.

          Of the nearly two hundred essays submitted to the competition, there seems to be a preponderance of sentiment for the 'Bit-from-It" standpoint, though many excellent essays argue against this stance or advocate for a wider perspective on the whole issue. Joseph Brenner provided an excellent analysis of the various positions that might be taken with the topic, which he subsumes under the categories of 'It-from-Bit', 'Bit-from-It', and 'It-and-Bit'.

          Brenner himself supports the 'Bit-from-It' position of Julian Barbour as stated in his 2011 essay that gave impetus to the present competition. Others such as James Beichler, Sundance Bilson-Thompson, Agung Budiyono, and Olaf Dreyer have presented well-stated arguments that generally align with a 'Bit-from-It' position.

          Various renderings of the contrary position, 'It-from-Bit', have received well-reasoned support from Stephen Anastasi, Paul Borrill, Luigi Foschini, Akinbo Ojo, and Jochen Szangolies. An allied category that was not included in Brenner's analysis is 'It-from-Qubit', and valuable explorations of this general position were undertaken by Giacomo D'Ariano, Philip Gibbs, Michel Planat and Armin Shirazi.

          The category of 'It-and-Bit' displays a great diversity of approaches which can be seen in the works of Mikalai Birukou, Kevin Knuth, Willard Mittelman, Georgina Parry, and Cristinel Stoica,.

          It seems useful to discriminate among the various approaches to 'It-and-Bit' a subcategory that perhaps could be identified as 'meaning circuits', in a sense loosely associated with the phrase by J.A. Wheeler. Essays that reveal aspects of 'meaning circuits' are those of Howard Barnum, Hugh Matlock, Georgina Parry, Armin Shirazi, and in especially that of Alexei Grinbaum.

          Proceeding from a phenomenological stance as developed by Husserl, Grinbaum asserts that the choice to be made of either 'It from Bit' or 'Bit from It' can be supplemented by considering 'It from Bit' and 'Bit from It'. To do this, he presents an 'epistemic loop' by which physics and information are cyclically connected, essentially the same 'loop' as that which Wheeler represented with his 'meaning circuit'. Depending on where one 'cuts' the loop, antecedent and precedent conditions are obtained which support an 'It from Bit' interpretation, or a 'Bit from It' interpretation, or, though not mentioned by Grinbaum, even an 'It from Qubit' interpretation. I'll also point out that depending on where the cut is made, it can be seen as a 'Cartesian cut' between res extensa and res cogitans or as a 'Heisenberg cut' between the quantum system and the observer. The implications of this perspective are enormous for the present It/Bit debate! To quote Grinbaum: "The key to understanding the opposition between IT and BIT is in choosing a vantage point from which OR looks as good as AND. Then this opposition becomes unnecessary: the loop view simply dissolves it." Grinbaum then goes on to point out that this epistemologically circular structure "...is not a logical disaster, rather it is a well-documented property of all foundational studies."

          However, Grinbaum maintains that it is mandatory to cut the loop; he claims that it is "...a logical necessity: it is logically impossible to describe the loop as a whole within one theory." I will argue that in fact it is vital to preserve the loop as a whole and to revise our expectations of what we wish to accomplish by making the cut. In fact, the ongoing It/Bit debate has been sustained for decades by our inability to recognize the consequences that result from making such a cut. As a result, we have been unable to take up the task of studying the properties inherent in the circularity of the loop. Helpful in this regard would be an examination of the role of relations between various elements and aspects of the loop. To a certain extent the importance of the role of relations has already been well stated in the essays of Kevin Knuth, Carlo Rovelli, Cristinel Stoica, and Jochen Szangolies although without application to aspects that clearly arise from 'circularity'. Gary Miller's discussion of the role of patterns, drawn from various historical precedents in mathematics, philosophy, and psychology, provides the clearest hints of all competition submissions on how the holistic analysis of this essential circular structure might be able to proceed.

          In my paper, I outlined Susan Carey's assertion that a 'conceptual leap' is often required in the construction of a new scientific theory. Perhaps moving from a 'linearized' perspective of the structure of a scientific theory to one that is 'circularized' is just one further example of this kind of conceptual change.

            Dear Edwin Eugene,

            May I draw your attention to my reply to your post of jul 30 where I have given further clarification concerning certain points that are treated in my essay: the accelaration of an object as an effect of the disturbance of the symmetry of its own gravitational field, the encoding of information about the velocity of the emitter, and the relation between the "theory of informatons" and the observation of gravitational phenomena.

            May I ask you to take these clarifications into account when you rate my essay?

            Best,

            Antoine.

              Dear Edwin,

              We had many good comments in our corresponding threads few weeks ago and mutually agreed in some of our ideas, but probably forgot to rate both of our essays.

              I impressed by some of your's ideas there. So I rate you maximum. What is yours assessment on me?

              Best wishes

              Dipak

              http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/1855

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                Dear Edwin,

                I made two more responses to your thoughts in my own blog, and continue here on the connection between science and religion, which is touched on both above and below in your blog. It seems that we are ultimately driven to religious issues when we try to sort out the meaning of life.

                [Note that my concerns that one of my responses to you had "disappeared" prove to be false, (or, at least, it reappeared) so ignore my comment in the second article about the previous one disappearing .]

                As I have already said, I am hindered from fully understanding your essay because I do not understand the meaning of your equations, etc. But hopefully I can sense the direction you are working and raise meaningful issues and comments.

                There are three major religious or metaphysical options, I think: the biblical, the secular, and the pagan views. Our natural tendency seems to be toward the latter two (which have a similar general pattern), not the biblical. And indeed, the Hebrew community, and then the Christian, have tended to slip continually back into a secular or pagan mode of believing. Yahweh is quite pointedly described as a "jealous" God, chastising us for wandering away from faithfulness to Himself. That would make sense only if the biblical view were true and the others false.

                I remember being surprised when Carl Sagan indicated that he leaned toward Hinduism for his cosmic inspiration. Others in this contest have shown similar proclivities. My assumption up to the 1960's that paganism was dead proved to be quite in error. Secularism, I think, has proven to be the least stable of the three - being too impersonal and thus depersonalizing. The original Buddhism was atheist, in a way "secular", no personal gods, but people yearned for personality, and so ended up inventing thousands of them.

                The question I want to address is whether one of the three cosmological options (pagan, secular, or biblical) has a better chance at making sense of life, with a reasonable cosmos in which science would make sense and flourish. It seems to me that the biblical worldview has the best chance at winning that cup.

                Five reasons: (1) Pagan philosophy never produced a flourishing science of the empirical world because it inherently favored the intellectual world of abstract reason - Platonism, neo-Platonism, etc.

                (2) Although the Greeks produced the science of epistemology (thinking about how to think), it tended to shun using that to understand the world of time and space, which they wanted to transcend - because it seemed to them too chaotic and unfriendly to invest time and energy to understand.

                (3) Also Eastern religions, with their drive to transcend the violent and sad world of time and space never produced anything like empirical science.

                (4) The empirical sciences took off only under the biblical worldview during the late Middle Ages.

                (5) The cosmological argument for God provides a way to integrate the major issues of metaphysics, such as: possibility, existence, causality, epistemology, truth, personhood, community, the meaning of life, etc. I suspect that those things cannot be integrated outside the biblical worldview.

                Your intent has been expressed as making no claims about original beginnings, though your comments tend to be Eastern-religion-friendly. I think that will happen whenever philosophy of science tries to find its own stability from within the circle of phenomenal existence. So, I do not think one can separate metaphysics (first beginnings) from physics - if metaphysics is the undergirding and explanation of physics, as I understand it to be. Your notion of gravity having awareness would itself raise metaphysical issues and have metaphysical implications, would it not?

                So, my essay is a very foreshortened version of my explanation for that aspect of the biblical view of things, providing a metaphysical explanation for the rise of science, and thus whether its or bits are more fundamental. My answer is that neither are really fundamental, they both presuppose the biblical creator ex-nihilo, and that there is no way to reasonably explain either the cosmos or science (which requires the reasonableness of the cosmos) apart from the biblical cosmos.

                One can restrict the field of inquiry to the secular view, as you do, for the sake of convenience, but the wider issues will assert themselves nevertheless.

                I hope to get more into the discussion (before things close up) on whether things like gravity can be "aware". I am absolutely delighted at the spirit of the essays and authors generally, an attempt to find the truth of a serious matter before us, all with a good spirit and willingness to learn from each other.

                BTW, I have mentioned a few times another website, "Common Sense Science", at www.commonsensescience.org. They believe themselves to be doing (with all the math included) a fundamental adjustment of relativity and quantum mechanics to fit a more traditional view of physics. I heartily recommend folks like yourself who understand the math taking a look at it. I would like to get responses as to whether they are doing a credible job or not. Their stuff would impact on the issue of this contest very directly, I would think. Philosophically, at least, I think they are doing well, addressing concerns I have had for a long time about the direction of physics (as indicated by the question of this contest).

                Blessings, Earle

                Greetings Ed,

                I enjoyed being able to push your rating up a bit. Well done. Your high standing is well-deserved. I wish you the best of luck in the finals.

                Have Fun,

                Jonathan

                  I am late in commenting your article because I come back to it several times. I rate you 9. Just look formulas in my essay and comment it. That would be enough. Regards,

                  Branko

                    Dear Edwin Eugene,

                    As I promised in my Essay page, I have read your beautiful Essay. Here are my comments/questions.

                    1) As I told in my Essay page, I worked and still work on gravito-magnetism. Thus, I have a personal interest in your Essay.

                    2) You extend General Relativity by adding your C field. This theory reproduces GR equations, but it represents a Yang-Mills gauge theory of mass. I think that similar results could be, in principle, re-obtained in some extended theories of gravity like scalar-tensor gravity and f(R) theory. You could be interested to extend your non-linear approach in those cases too.

                    3) Recently, Fromholz, Poisson and Will reformulated the MTW's statement that "any physical theory originally written in a special coordinates system can be recast in geometric, coordinate free language" as "The principle of general covariance, upon which general relativity is built, implies that coordinates are simply labels of spacetime events that can be assigned completely arbitrarily (subject to some conditions of smoothness and differentiability). The only quantities that have physical meaning - the measurables - are those that are invariant under coordinate transformations. One such invariant is the number of ticks on an atomic clock giving the proper time between two events", see http://arxiv.org/abs/1308.0394.

                    4) I agree with your statement that all energy gravitates, but the problem is that, based on Einstein Equivalence Principle, the gravitational energy cannot be localized! This is in perfect agreement with Yau's statement and is also connected to Kauffmann's work recently noted by FQXi.

                    5) I think that solar system tests of gravity should put some constrains to the C-filed. In general, deviations from standard GR must be weak for a theory to be viable. Thus, I suggest you to extend your work in this direction too.

                    6) Concerning the linearization process, do you think that the C-field should enable more gravity-waves polarizations than the two standard polarizations of GR?

                    In any case, I found your Essay a bite provocative and also interesting. As I appreciate people who "think outside the box", I will give you a high rate.

                    Cheers,

                    Ch.

                      Hi Edwin,

                      I think yours is a terrific essay in so many ways, and so learned.

                      Your section entitled "Why do physicists 'believe' current theories?" was a bit of an eye-opener. But I must say I was amazed at the many similarities of viewpoint between your essay and my essay. But there are other similarities too. E.g. I was pleased that you mentioned "the concept of 'false' information", which I've often thought must be accounted for in a picture of reality. Also the idea that "only one real field existed initially...[that] could evolve only through self-interaction" - very interesting that there now seems to be evidence that gravity really does interact with itself, which seems to back up the idea behind your master equation.

                      I'm not sure what your "Number Generating System" numbers are. I wondered if they were in any way similar to the non-Platonic physically real numbers I tried to make a case for in my essay.

                      Another interesting point you make is: the fact that the universe naturally self organizes "is an anti-entropic characteristic that only gravity seems to exhibit-and living beings!"

                      I think your essay deserves to win a prize. Best wishes,

                      Lorraine

                        Dear Christian,

                        Thank you for reading and commenting, and particularly for the information you convey in your comments. I've already read your paper on gravito-magnetism (with Iorio) and found it the most concise and complete history of gravito-magnetism, and development of GW calculations.

                        I've not had an opportunity to look it scalar-tensor and f(R) extended theories yet.

                        Thank you for the reference to Fromholz, Poisson, and Will's work.

                        Yes, the idea that all energy gravitates is relatively new to me (or at least its significance) and very exciting.

                        I agree that solar system tests put relevant constraints on the C-field, but I'm not yet sure that these apply at the higher density one encounters it particle levels. Investigation of this is my immediate goal. I have not yet applied the n-GEM technique to gravity waves.

                        Thank you again for the comments and the rating, and congratulations on your unquestioned and deserved lead in this contest.

                        My best regards,

                        Edwin Eugene Klingman

                        Dear Lorraine,

                        Thanks for the above comment. As you know from my long comment on your page, it's mutual. I found your essay to be one of the closest to mine in concept and in detail. We very much see the key issues in a similar light.

                        As for "number generating system", I address Wigner's issue of why mathematics is so incredibly effective in describing scientific reality. I start with the logic of physical thresholds, which convert analog reality to approximate binary models, and the fact that counters are easy to build from such connected gates. Then I ask how the resulting numbers can be applied to reality. This is beyond a comment, but is covered briefly in my essay and thoroughly in my expanded dissertation "The Automatic Theory of Physics".

                        Congratulations again on your wonderful essay and thanks for your remarks. I look forward to reading your next essay!

                        Best regards,

                        Edwin Eugene Klingman

                        Dear Branko,

                        Thank you for reading and commenting on my essay. I have looked at your essay and find some points of agreement. For example, you say "Overwhelmed by information overload, sometimes contradictory, we have to decide in advance which information we would pay attention to." For example, although general relativity applies to almost everything, I am primarily focused on the application of GR to particle physics.

                        I also agree that the Cycle is a fundamental concept on which to focus, and believe that gravito-magnetism introduced the fundamental cycle into existence when the primordial symmetry broke.

                        I have also been playing with James Putnam's idea of dimensionless force, and find that this leads to some insights that might otherwise be missed. I certainly agree with you that the fine structure constant is a key dimensionless parameter, but I do not find the proton-electron mass ration to be significant in my theory. I have not had time to study the values in your table.

                        Thanks again for reading my essay and coming back to it.

                        Best,

                        Edwin Eugene Klingman

                        Thanks Jonathan,

                        The rocky ride begins in a few hours. It's been another very worthwhile contest, despite a number of irregularities, and I've benefited via insights from many different essays, including yours. I look forward to your next essay, and to the Kauffmann-like blogs you will probably bring to our attention in the coming year.

                        Best,

                        Edwin Eugene Klingman

                        Dear Dipak, I did not forget to rate you about the time we read each other's essays. Thank you for coming back to my essay before the close, and best of luck in the contest.

                        Edwin Eugene Klingman