Late-in-the-Day Thoughts about the Essays I've Read

I am sending to you the following thoughts because I found your essay particularly well stated, insightful, and helpful, even though in certain respects we may significantly diverge in our viewpoints. Thank you! Lumping and sorting is a dangerous adventure; let me apologize in advance if I have significantly misread or misrepresented your essay in what follows.

Of the nearly two hundred essays submitted to the competition, there seems to be a preponderance of sentiment for the 'Bit-from-It" standpoint, though many excellent essays argue against this stance or advocate for a wider perspective on the whole issue. Joseph Brenner provided an excellent analysis of the various positions that might be taken with the topic, which he subsumes under the categories of 'It-from-Bit', 'Bit-from-It', and 'It-and-Bit'.

Brenner himself supports the 'Bit-from-It' position of Julian Barbour as stated in his 2011 essay that gave impetus to the present competition. Others such as James Beichler, Sundance Bilson-Thompson, Agung Budiyono, and Olaf Dreyer have presented well-stated arguments that generally align with a 'Bit-from-It' position.

Various renderings of the contrary position, 'It-from-Bit', have received well-reasoned support from Stephen Anastasi, Paul Borrill, Luigi Foschini, Akinbo Ojo, and Jochen Szangolies. An allied category that was not included in Brenner's analysis is 'It-from-Qubit', and valuable explorations of this general position were undertaken by Giacomo D'Ariano, Philip Gibbs, Michel Planat and Armin Shirazi.

The category of 'It-and-Bit' displays a great diversity of approaches which can be seen in the works of Mikalai Birukou, Kevin Knuth, Willard Mittelman, Georgina Parry, and Cristinel Stoica,.

It seems useful to discriminate among the various approaches to 'It-and-Bit' a subcategory that perhaps could be identified as 'meaning circuits', in a sense loosely associated with the phrase by J.A. Wheeler. Essays that reveal aspects of 'meaning circuits' are those of Howard Barnum, Hugh Matlock, Georgina Parry, Armin Shirazi, and in especially that of Alexei Grinbaum.

Proceeding from a phenomenological stance as developed by Husserl, Grinbaum asserts that the choice to be made of either 'It from Bit' or 'Bit from It' can be supplemented by considering 'It from Bit' and 'Bit from It'. To do this, he presents an 'epistemic loop' by which physics and information are cyclically connected, essentially the same 'loop' as that which Wheeler represented with his 'meaning circuit'. Depending on where one 'cuts' the loop, antecedent and precedent conditions are obtained which support an 'It from Bit' interpretation, or a 'Bit from It' interpretation, or, though not mentioned by Grinbaum, even an 'It from Qubit' interpretation. I'll also point out that depending on where the cut is made, it can be seen as a 'Cartesian cut' between res extensa and res cogitans or as a 'Heisenberg cut' between the quantum system and the observer. The implications of this perspective are enormous for the present It/Bit debate! To quote Grinbaum: "The key to understanding the opposition between IT and BIT is in choosing a vantage point from which OR looks as good as AND. Then this opposition becomes unnecessary: the loop view simply dissolves it." Grinbaum then goes on to point out that this epistemologically circular structure "...is not a logical disaster, rather it is a well-documented property of all foundational studies."

However, Grinbaum maintains that it is mandatory to cut the loop; he claims that it is "...a logical necessity: it is logically impossible to describe the loop as a whole within one theory." I will argue that in fact it is vital to preserve the loop as a whole and to revise our expectations of what we wish to accomplish by making the cut. In fact, the ongoing It/Bit debate has been sustained for decades by our inability to recognize the consequences that result from making such a cut. As a result, we have been unable to take up the task of studying the properties inherent in the circularity of the loop. Helpful in this regard would be an examination of the role of relations between various elements and aspects of the loop. To a certain extent the importance of the role of relations has already been well stated in the essays of Kevin Knuth, Carlo Rovelli, Cristinel Stoica, and Jochen Szangolies although without application to aspects that clearly arise from 'circularity'. Gary Miller's discussion of the role of patterns, drawn from various historical precedents in mathematics, philosophy, and psychology, provides the clearest hints of all competition submissions on how the holistic analysis of this essential circular structure might be able to proceed.

In my paper, I outlined Susan Carey's assertion that a 'conceptual leap' is often required in the construction of a new scientific theory. Perhaps moving from a 'linearized' perspective of the structure of a scientific theory to one that is 'circularized' is just one further example of this kind of conceptual change.

    Dear Edwin Eugene,

    May I draw your attention to my reply to your post of jul 30 where I have given further clarification concerning certain points that are treated in my essay: the accelaration of an object as an effect of the disturbance of the symmetry of its own gravitational field, the encoding of information about the velocity of the emitter, and the relation between the "theory of informatons" and the observation of gravitational phenomena.

    May I ask you to take these clarifications into account when you rate my essay?

    Best,

    Antoine.

      Dear Edwin,

      We had many good comments in our corresponding threads few weeks ago and mutually agreed in some of our ideas, but probably forgot to rate both of our essays.

      I impressed by some of your's ideas there. So I rate you maximum. What is yours assessment on me?

      Best wishes

      Dipak

      http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/1855

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        Dear Edwin,

        I made two more responses to your thoughts in my own blog, and continue here on the connection between science and religion, which is touched on both above and below in your blog. It seems that we are ultimately driven to religious issues when we try to sort out the meaning of life.

        [Note that my concerns that one of my responses to you had "disappeared" prove to be false, (or, at least, it reappeared) so ignore my comment in the second article about the previous one disappearing .]

        As I have already said, I am hindered from fully understanding your essay because I do not understand the meaning of your equations, etc. But hopefully I can sense the direction you are working and raise meaningful issues and comments.

        There are three major religious or metaphysical options, I think: the biblical, the secular, and the pagan views. Our natural tendency seems to be toward the latter two (which have a similar general pattern), not the biblical. And indeed, the Hebrew community, and then the Christian, have tended to slip continually back into a secular or pagan mode of believing. Yahweh is quite pointedly described as a "jealous" God, chastising us for wandering away from faithfulness to Himself. That would make sense only if the biblical view were true and the others false.

        I remember being surprised when Carl Sagan indicated that he leaned toward Hinduism for his cosmic inspiration. Others in this contest have shown similar proclivities. My assumption up to the 1960's that paganism was dead proved to be quite in error. Secularism, I think, has proven to be the least stable of the three - being too impersonal and thus depersonalizing. The original Buddhism was atheist, in a way "secular", no personal gods, but people yearned for personality, and so ended up inventing thousands of them.

        The question I want to address is whether one of the three cosmological options (pagan, secular, or biblical) has a better chance at making sense of life, with a reasonable cosmos in which science would make sense and flourish. It seems to me that the biblical worldview has the best chance at winning that cup.

        Five reasons: (1) Pagan philosophy never produced a flourishing science of the empirical world because it inherently favored the intellectual world of abstract reason - Platonism, neo-Platonism, etc.

        (2) Although the Greeks produced the science of epistemology (thinking about how to think), it tended to shun using that to understand the world of time and space, which they wanted to transcend - because it seemed to them too chaotic and unfriendly to invest time and energy to understand.

        (3) Also Eastern religions, with their drive to transcend the violent and sad world of time and space never produced anything like empirical science.

        (4) The empirical sciences took off only under the biblical worldview during the late Middle Ages.

        (5) The cosmological argument for God provides a way to integrate the major issues of metaphysics, such as: possibility, existence, causality, epistemology, truth, personhood, community, the meaning of life, etc. I suspect that those things cannot be integrated outside the biblical worldview.

        Your intent has been expressed as making no claims about original beginnings, though your comments tend to be Eastern-religion-friendly. I think that will happen whenever philosophy of science tries to find its own stability from within the circle of phenomenal existence. So, I do not think one can separate metaphysics (first beginnings) from physics - if metaphysics is the undergirding and explanation of physics, as I understand it to be. Your notion of gravity having awareness would itself raise metaphysical issues and have metaphysical implications, would it not?

        So, my essay is a very foreshortened version of my explanation for that aspect of the biblical view of things, providing a metaphysical explanation for the rise of science, and thus whether its or bits are more fundamental. My answer is that neither are really fundamental, they both presuppose the biblical creator ex-nihilo, and that there is no way to reasonably explain either the cosmos or science (which requires the reasonableness of the cosmos) apart from the biblical cosmos.

        One can restrict the field of inquiry to the secular view, as you do, for the sake of convenience, but the wider issues will assert themselves nevertheless.

        I hope to get more into the discussion (before things close up) on whether things like gravity can be "aware". I am absolutely delighted at the spirit of the essays and authors generally, an attempt to find the truth of a serious matter before us, all with a good spirit and willingness to learn from each other.

        BTW, I have mentioned a few times another website, "Common Sense Science", at www.commonsensescience.org. They believe themselves to be doing (with all the math included) a fundamental adjustment of relativity and quantum mechanics to fit a more traditional view of physics. I heartily recommend folks like yourself who understand the math taking a look at it. I would like to get responses as to whether they are doing a credible job or not. Their stuff would impact on the issue of this contest very directly, I would think. Philosophically, at least, I think they are doing well, addressing concerns I have had for a long time about the direction of physics (as indicated by the question of this contest).

        Blessings, Earle

        Greetings Ed,

        I enjoyed being able to push your rating up a bit. Well done. Your high standing is well-deserved. I wish you the best of luck in the finals.

        Have Fun,

        Jonathan

          I am late in commenting your article because I come back to it several times. I rate you 9. Just look formulas in my essay and comment it. That would be enough. Regards,

          Branko

            Dear Edwin Eugene,

            As I promised in my Essay page, I have read your beautiful Essay. Here are my comments/questions.

            1) As I told in my Essay page, I worked and still work on gravito-magnetism. Thus, I have a personal interest in your Essay.

            2) You extend General Relativity by adding your C field. This theory reproduces GR equations, but it represents a Yang-Mills gauge theory of mass. I think that similar results could be, in principle, re-obtained in some extended theories of gravity like scalar-tensor gravity and f(R) theory. You could be interested to extend your non-linear approach in those cases too.

            3) Recently, Fromholz, Poisson and Will reformulated the MTW's statement that "any physical theory originally written in a special coordinates system can be recast in geometric, coordinate free language" as "The principle of general covariance, upon which general relativity is built, implies that coordinates are simply labels of spacetime events that can be assigned completely arbitrarily (subject to some conditions of smoothness and differentiability). The only quantities that have physical meaning - the measurables - are those that are invariant under coordinate transformations. One such invariant is the number of ticks on an atomic clock giving the proper time between two events", see http://arxiv.org/abs/1308.0394.

            4) I agree with your statement that all energy gravitates, but the problem is that, based on Einstein Equivalence Principle, the gravitational energy cannot be localized! This is in perfect agreement with Yau's statement and is also connected to Kauffmann's work recently noted by FQXi.

            5) I think that solar system tests of gravity should put some constrains to the C-filed. In general, deviations from standard GR must be weak for a theory to be viable. Thus, I suggest you to extend your work in this direction too.

            6) Concerning the linearization process, do you think that the C-field should enable more gravity-waves polarizations than the two standard polarizations of GR?

            In any case, I found your Essay a bite provocative and also interesting. As I appreciate people who "think outside the box", I will give you a high rate.

            Cheers,

            Ch.

              Hi Edwin,

              I think yours is a terrific essay in so many ways, and so learned.

              Your section entitled "Why do physicists 'believe' current theories?" was a bit of an eye-opener. But I must say I was amazed at the many similarities of viewpoint between your essay and my essay. But there are other similarities too. E.g. I was pleased that you mentioned "the concept of 'false' information", which I've often thought must be accounted for in a picture of reality. Also the idea that "only one real field existed initially...[that] could evolve only through self-interaction" - very interesting that there now seems to be evidence that gravity really does interact with itself, which seems to back up the idea behind your master equation.

              I'm not sure what your "Number Generating System" numbers are. I wondered if they were in any way similar to the non-Platonic physically real numbers I tried to make a case for in my essay.

              Another interesting point you make is: the fact that the universe naturally self organizes "is an anti-entropic characteristic that only gravity seems to exhibit-and living beings!"

              I think your essay deserves to win a prize. Best wishes,

              Lorraine

                Dear Christian,

                Thank you for reading and commenting, and particularly for the information you convey in your comments. I've already read your paper on gravito-magnetism (with Iorio) and found it the most concise and complete history of gravito-magnetism, and development of GW calculations.

                I've not had an opportunity to look it scalar-tensor and f(R) extended theories yet.

                Thank you for the reference to Fromholz, Poisson, and Will's work.

                Yes, the idea that all energy gravitates is relatively new to me (or at least its significance) and very exciting.

                I agree that solar system tests put relevant constraints on the C-field, but I'm not yet sure that these apply at the higher density one encounters it particle levels. Investigation of this is my immediate goal. I have not yet applied the n-GEM technique to gravity waves.

                Thank you again for the comments and the rating, and congratulations on your unquestioned and deserved lead in this contest.

                My best regards,

                Edwin Eugene Klingman

                Dear Lorraine,

                Thanks for the above comment. As you know from my long comment on your page, it's mutual. I found your essay to be one of the closest to mine in concept and in detail. We very much see the key issues in a similar light.

                As for "number generating system", I address Wigner's issue of why mathematics is so incredibly effective in describing scientific reality. I start with the logic of physical thresholds, which convert analog reality to approximate binary models, and the fact that counters are easy to build from such connected gates. Then I ask how the resulting numbers can be applied to reality. This is beyond a comment, but is covered briefly in my essay and thoroughly in my expanded dissertation "The Automatic Theory of Physics".

                Congratulations again on your wonderful essay and thanks for your remarks. I look forward to reading your next essay!

                Best regards,

                Edwin Eugene Klingman

                Dear Branko,

                Thank you for reading and commenting on my essay. I have looked at your essay and find some points of agreement. For example, you say "Overwhelmed by information overload, sometimes contradictory, we have to decide in advance which information we would pay attention to." For example, although general relativity applies to almost everything, I am primarily focused on the application of GR to particle physics.

                I also agree that the Cycle is a fundamental concept on which to focus, and believe that gravito-magnetism introduced the fundamental cycle into existence when the primordial symmetry broke.

                I have also been playing with James Putnam's idea of dimensionless force, and find that this leads to some insights that might otherwise be missed. I certainly agree with you that the fine structure constant is a key dimensionless parameter, but I do not find the proton-electron mass ration to be significant in my theory. I have not had time to study the values in your table.

                Thanks again for reading my essay and coming back to it.

                Best,

                Edwin Eugene Klingman

                Thanks Jonathan,

                The rocky ride begins in a few hours. It's been another very worthwhile contest, despite a number of irregularities, and I've benefited via insights from many different essays, including yours. I look forward to your next essay, and to the Kauffmann-like blogs you will probably bring to our attention in the coming year.

                Best,

                Edwin Eugene Klingman

                Dear Dipak, I did not forget to rate you about the time we read each other's essays. Thank you for coming back to my essay before the close, and best of luck in the contest.

                Edwin Eugene Klingman

                Dear Antoine,

                Thank you for the reminder that you did answer several of my questions, including the explanation about "the accelaration of an object as an effect of the disturbance of the symmetry of its own gravitational field," which seems to be an original idea. I did take this into account when I rated your essay.

                Thanks for the extended discussion trying to relate our interest in gravitomagnetism.

                Best,

                Edwin Eugene Klingman

                Dear Charles Raldo Card,

                I enjoyed your extended comment above, attempting to integrate and summarize the ideas from various essays. I agree with you that Alex Grinbaum's loop is an important contribution, as I noted in several comments on his page and on my page above.

                I find comments such as yours very worth reading and appreciate your placing it on my page. I hope you find time to read and study my essay. Thanks again,

                Edwin Eugene Klingman

                Dear Amazigh,

                Thank you for returning and rating my essay. As I discussed in my above reply to you, we do agree that duality is a key principle, and I gave an example in my current essay. Thanks again for rating my essay, and good luck with your theory. FQXi is an excellent place to offer such theories.

                Best,

                Edwin Eugene Klingman

                Dear Kyle,

                I always enjoy your essays, the current and the last. For example, only you seem to realize: "Electricity is well understood within Newtonian mechanics too; it's only a theoretical physicist who would prefer understanding electricity using a relativistic quantum field theory (i.e., quantum electrodynamics or QED)"

                I also enjoyed your take in the last essay: "Teleology can offer an account of the universe where LSD, the "ultimate forbidden fruit," is the final cause..." You may recall a discussion I had last year with you and Georgina (on your page). Your essays are unique and you make valuable contributions to FQXi in my opinion.

                I hope you continue to submit such essays, year after year.

                Thank you for reading mine and commenting. I'm glad you enjoyed it.

                Edwin Eugene Klingman

                Hi John,

                I think we discussed some of this above. I don't think your ideas about light as the basis of consciousness or gravity hold together. You ask, "Rather than the gravity field as the source of consciousness, why not light?" My essay is the short version, but I have written two books (on Amazon) that give you the long answer. None of these fit into a comment.

                Your ideas are more poetic than physical, and do not offer explanations of how it all fits together, or equations to calculate the results of measurements, or predictions of what to look for, or any other of the requirements of a theory of physics. As I've told you before, I like the analogical ideas and metaphorical connections to social, political, and economic reality that you throw out regularly, and I agree with you that physics is very much in need of a swift kick in the pants, but whatever the final outcome, the 'final theory' will almost certainly come from someone who understands the current theories.

                You would be surprised how many ideas can be cobbled together using words that very loosely relate to each other. But physics has to eventually produce numbers that match measurements as well as seamlessly tieing it all together.

                Thanks for reading and commenting. My suggestion, take it or leave it, would be to try to understand what I am saying rather than to immediately propose your ideas as a way of dismissing mine.

                Have fun,

                Edwin Eugene Klingman

                Dear Edwin Eugene Klingman,

                And if the eUniverse was a work of art ?

                The eUniverse conceiving the woman and the man, the flowers and the smiley faces, is a recognized Artist.

                The evidence is there and will remain forever. The motion was obvious for Aristotle, also for Galileo, Newton and Einstein. What has changed is the understanding and interpretation.

                For the eDuality the same thing : wave-particle, space-time, matter-antimatter, and so on ..

                Everybody recognize that duality is everywhere. But without generalization, some do not agree that our eReality is binary. They refuse to believe, to recognize in the eReality of the eDuality, and that eDuality is our eReality.

                The question is how to see, to understand and to interpret this eDuality, this blatant evidence, this shrill obvious fact.

                Our eReality is made of evidence that we must know how to read.

                The eUniverse is such as It is. We cannot fundamentally change It. It is our approach, our conception that must change.

                Here comes a One Theory of eDuality, which is the most modern, and which concerns the whole eUniverse in its entirety, and in its smallest details, and that applies to all domains of human knowledge.

                The Theory that is going to revolutionize the world of ideas. A new Science, quantitative and qualitative is going to emerge.

                Such a statement has something shocking for the one who discovers or who hears for the first time about it. For me it is a eReality that I live since I discovered it, for years now, and I will publish soon.

                The contest ends and I did not come to occupy the top rank. In all cases not with three pages of poetry as you say. In addition there was inside only remarks and not scientific declarations.

                But what I assert results from my current work concerning this famous Theory of Everything.

                But I took the opportunity for testing the ground and seeing of what the scientific community thinks on this subject.

                Now that it's done I have yet to publish and prove.

                So good luck to the rest of the program.

                And sorry if something is badly translated by Google.

                Good luck and best wishes,

                Amazigh H.

                Wonderful to see you finish in the top 10!

                Good luck in the finals, Ed. May the expert panel find as much to like about your essay as I did. You deserve to win a prize this year. Very well done.

                Have Fun!

                Jonathan