Vladimir and Leo,
We are exchanging information, but we are not exchanging reality.
Vladimir and Leo,
We are exchanging information, but we are not exchanging reality.
Joe,
You make such a conclusion because the rip, chop reality. Take a look at it as a whole. Regards, Vladimir
Dear Vladimir
I agree with your hopes that physics will become a more intuitively acceptable science. Unfortunately I think Einstein took it into a too-imaginative direction. His results are correct but his assumptions about constant speed of light and flexible spacetime are fairy tales. Also his photon idea did much harm in physics. Eric Reiter in Eric Reiter's website proved the photon particle wrong.
I regret that I do not speak Russian nor am I a Russian.and used Google Translate to understand your comment..long story told on my website. It is a pity because I know a lot of Russian physics has taken a different path than in the West and I wish I could understand some of these directions.
I wish you all success
Vladimir
Hello Vladimir,
Again welcome to the contest!
I want to mention one point raised in your essay in a soft form and not properly understood even by the scientific community.
In the first half of your essay you discuss the present crisis facing science today. I believe that the situation with this crisis is quite different from that with all the previous crises. It appears that, in science, we have never faced the crisis of such magnitude and of such consequences. In particular, I believe that we are faced with the radical change of scientific language, which has never happened before. Unfortunately, not many scientists realize this, which in turn contributes to the prolongation of the crisis. As I suggest in my essay, the essence of the crisis is the integration of the 'mental' into a scientific view.
My best wishes to you!
Hello, Lev!
I am glad to read your comment. I agree with you completely about the depth of the crisis. And that line of work you spend, I think. - Is a sure way out of the crisis "interpretation and representation."
My best wishes to you!
Vladimir,
One can never see a "whole" not even by looking through a telescope, a periscope or a microscope.
Joe.
But still the best microscope - it is the mind, armed with dialectics. It provides an opportunity to "dig" to the farthest depths of meaning. What's there? The first entity - a form. And the "vector-ray of consciousness" comprehends "the first form" (the absolute form of existence of matter) and "paints" the image of the world as a whole with the ontological justification. Best regards. Vladimir
Hi Vladimir,
I actually read your essay couple of times. It was so fine language and so abstract from time to time. We do have a some common ground indeed but you are looking at it from very much higher perspective than me. Anyway, I liked it.
Vladimir,
Hi. I'm not sure if I understood everything, but I think I agree that you and I are kind of thinking along the same lines. If I understand it, you're also suggesting that there is some fundamental building block, the delta-Logit, which is capable of change (the delta part). And from delta-Logit all of reality, its and bits, is built? If that's what you're getting at, I totally agree. Several of the essays in the contest are about this idea, and I think it's right on. Most of them also are talking about the way physicists and philosophers of science are so enthralled with mathematics and Platonic realms that they're forgetting the real world may not behave the same as the mathematical world in their minds.
Anyways, good essay! Thanks!
Roger
Hi, Kimmo,
Many thanks for a good estimate of the essay. My first task was to find a fundamental structure that Umberto Eco described as "missing." Structure on the one hand - a generating, on the other - the limit for thought. I con-struct-ed it from the very nature of phenomena that we observe in life itself, as well as the development and achievements of science, philosophy and traditional knowledge. The result of search and ontological construction - Absolute (unconditional) generating structure. The concept of "FORM" very updated. Absolute generating structure at the same time is the "house" of information- phenomenon of the ontological (structural) memory. Ontological (structural) memory - conceptual core of a new picture of the world of the information age, knowledge base and understanding of the unity and diversity of the world. Ontological (structural) memory is that. all breeds, the matter is that from which everything is born. Any ab- straktion has its source in the base structure. Maybe someone will find a different structure generating - for this hosts international competitions. Thank FQXi! I Wish you success, Vladimir
Hello, Roger,
Thank you very much for your kind comment! Indeed. Many researchers are searching for the fundamental structure (or " fundamental building block,") that Umberto Eco calls "missing." This structure ("block") must be knowledge base including physical and mathematical. It is also called a "framework structure." That is, it should be: the "basis", "frame" and "frame" of the whole system of knowledge, including traditional knowledge. Of course it should be based on the real-world phenomena. In its construction should proceed from the ancient principle: "that top. so below. "A "Delta-Logit» is the original dialectical representant of this structure, a single mathematical symbol of absolute generating structure. Thanks! Vladimir
Vladimir R.,
Here it looks like you have made an interesting conceptual groundwork-involving plan for further understanding info. It offers a view that attempts to get rid of the unnecessary subdivisions of physics that lie between matter and field, and also dynamics of motion.
There is a point by your look-back number 23 that corresponds to a view enabling human intellects or minds to comprehend reality. That is, there is the actual occurrence of phenomenon (though representational) in the physical state of the human brain - understanding is a process.
One barely needs to reinforce what appears to be self sufficient in the historic support of the philosophic-style used here, than what your end quotations of what two greats themselves say.
But there is a question. While the idea of "Coincidence of opposites" has some meaning in context, as a read, it isn't explicitly stated till the conclusion.
Best as well,
W. Amos
Hello, William,
Thank you very much for a very deep comment. It touches the deepest foundations of physics and nature of the information.
Yes, you're absolutely right that it is necessary «understanding is a process» and understanding of nature «dynamics of motion». What is the initial construction of the first (absolute, unconditional) process? Where hidden "information" and what is its nature? It is necessary to introduce the of polyvalent concept "ontological (structural) memory" - "the soul of matter," which "holds" the whole structure of matter, "the process of generating" on all levels of being and is manifested in the "laws of nature." The concept of "ontological (structural) memory gives the opportunity to move to an understanding, and then the modeling of consciousness, and ultimately to the model of" self-aware Universe.
With regard to the interpretation of the fundamental dialectic "coincidence of opposites" (Nicholas of Cusa) - the rest of matter and its motion, then it is disclosed in my previous essay contest FQXi 2012: «Paradigm of the Part Vs. Paradigm of the Whole ... The Absolute Generative Structure »http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/1362
If you can explain your phrase: «There is a point by your look-back number 23 that corresponds to a view enabling human intellects or minds to comprehend reality»?
Best as well,
Vladimir
Dear Sir,
Your essay was a pleasure to read and echoes concepts close to our essay published on May 31 and our comments on various threads.
You are absolutely correct about the crisis of mathematics, which is a result of perpetuating one's greatness through incomprehensibility that hampers understanding each other. Secondly, engineers have taken over the designation of experimental scientists and theoretical scientists have become almost extinct. With their mathematical background, the engineers have given primacy to manipulative mathematics in physics. Because of the economic success of technology, mathematicians are also influenced by them leading to a lack of understanding of fundamental mathematical principles. Thus, we have landed in problems such as the singularities, which are really not an issue. An 8th century Indian mathematician named Mahavir has shown that division by zero leaves the number unchanged. In various threads here we have given proof for the same. Two 11th century mathematical works in India hold that even though the result of multiplication of any number by zero is zero, the result of first division by zero and then multiplication by it leaves the number unchanged.
Mathematics explains only "how much" one quantity accumulates or reduces in an interaction involving similar or partly similar quantities and not "what", "why", "when", "where", or "with whom" about the objects involved in such interactions. These are the subject matters of physics. Mathematics is an expression of Nature, not its sole language. Though observer has a central role in Quantum theories, its true nature and mechanism has eluded the scientists. There cannot be an equation to describe the observer, the glory of the rising sun, the grandeur of the towering mountain, the numbing expanse of the night sky, the enchanting fragrance of the wild flower or the endearing smile on the lips of the beloved. It is not the same as any physical or chemical reaction or curvature of lips.
Long before Pythagoras, the ancient Indians defined the number concept as follows: Number is a characteristic of all objects by which we differentiate between similars. If there are no similars, it is one. If there are similars, it is many. Many can be 2,3,....n depending the step-by-step perception. The nomenclature "eka" for one, "dwi" for two, "tri" for three, "chatwaara" for four, "pancha" for five, etc, define their characteristics. While "eka" signifies uniqueness of perception, "dwi" and "tri" signify quick realization of perception in different modes. Hence even children, birds and animals can learn up to three easily. From "chatwaara" onwards, which literally means mobile perception, it becomes difficult to perceive. The other numbers have been named accordingly.
Zero is the temporal absence at "here-now". We must have prior knowledge of the object labeled as zero to perceive its absence. Hence neither positive nor negative signs could be assigned to zero. Infinity is like 1 - without similars. But while the dimensions of one are fully perceptible, the dimensions of infinity are not perceptible. Hence it is not a number. There is nothing like from minus infinity through zero to plus infinity. If it passes through zero, then we can perceive at least one end of it. But zero is absence at "here-now". Thus, it produces a contradiction. Infinity cannot pass through zero. Space and time are examples of infinity that co-exist, but do not interact with anything. Complex numbers are not physical. They vanish with correct transformation back into the domain of reality, i.e., positive real values.
Mass and energy are fundamental properties of all substances their ratio defines volume, which is also a fundamental property. Volume depends on radius. Thus, the effect of internal change on a body; i.e., the ratio of mass and energy, can be noted easily by noting changes in the radius. Alternatively by scaling up and down the radius, we can anticipate the ratio of mass and energy of the body. Since energy moves in quanta - the minimum mass-energy that can be displaced for the minimum distance, this gave the concept of increment symbolized by delta. But it has been thoroughly manipulated in undesirable ways.
Mathematics is related also to the measurement of area or curves on a graph - the so-called mathematical structures, which are two dimensional structures. Thus, the basic assumptions of all topologies, including symplectic topology, linear and vector algebra and the tensor calculus, all representations of vector spaces, whether they are abstract or physical, real or complex, composed of whatever combination of scalars, vectors, quaternions, or tensors, and the current definition of the point, line, and derivative are necessarily at least one dimension less from physical space.
The graph may represent space, but it is not space itself. The drawings of a circle, a square, a vector or any other physical representation, are similar abstractions. The circle represents only a two dimensional cross section of a three dimensional sphere. The square represents a surface of a cube. Without the cube or similar structure (including the paper), it has no physical existence. An ellipse may represent an orbit, but it is not the dynamical orbit itself. The vector is a fixed representation of velocity; it is not the dynamical velocity itself, and so on. The so-called simplification or scaling up or down of the drawing does not make it abstract. The basic abstraction is due to the fact that the mathematics that is applied to solve physical problems actually applies to the two dimensional diagram, and not to the three dimensional space. Yet, there is an unreasonable over-dependence on mathematics by physicists - often wrongly.
For example, the equality sign in the mass energy equation only shows that both mass and energy are inseparable conjugates (if one becomes zero, the other becomes zero) and their proportion in the totality vary in a fixed proportion like the two sides of the scale - if more is added to one side, it goes down (becomes dense) and vice versa. Yet, this has been interpreted as both mass and energy are exchangeable.
Measurement is a process of comparison between similars, one of which is called the unit. The result of measurement is always related to a time t, and is frozen for use at later times t1, t2, etc, when the object has evolved further. All other unknown states are combined together and are called superposition of states. Thus, perception, a characteristic of the observer, is time invariant. This differentiates the observer from the observed, which is subject to time evolution. In this view, the human body is not the observer, but only an observable or instrument of observation.
If multiple runs of experiments on strictly identical systems or different measurements over space and time of the same system return the same result, the underlying commonality is real. This commonality has three characteristics: it is measurable, it exists over time and space to be repeatedly measurable and the result of its measurement communicable to other observers. The first and the last are different aspects of perception: the first restricted to the mechanism of observation and the last universal to all observers. Thus, this definition is free from any bias.
Regarding your other ideas, you are welcome to read our essay dated May 31 and comment on it.
Regards,
basudeba
Hello, Basudeba!
Thank you for your thorough and detailed commentary, especially in terms of the essential foundations of mathematics. As to the nature of mathematical ab-stract-ion, that I had a task to find the first fundamental structure, "generating" («mother» by Bourbaki), which Umberto Eco described as "missing." Ludwig Wittgenstein is well said that "the structure of the language is the structure of the world", as the ancients said: "As above, so below." These philosophical principles also form the foundations of physics, which should be more reliable, ontologically grounded. I appreciated your essay, happy nine. I wish you success, Vladimir
Dear Sir,
The communication part of our essay is based on an ancient treatise on Sanskrit grammar called Maha Bhashya. One King Bhartruhari wrote a commentary on this called Vakyapadiya. After this book was translated into German, the Europeans came to know about this and linguistics was developed based on these theories. We have read the originals. But you may get English translations of these. These books are written based on an ancient treatise called Ashtadhyayi. This book with English translation is available in USA.
Regards,
basudeba
Dear Sir,
We have written a book on number theory. In case you are interested, you can send your postal address to mbasudeba@gmail.com. It is free of cost.
Regards,
basudeba
Hello, Vladimir!
I'm totally agreed with you. Stored knowledge of mankind must be completely rewritten and compressed in the union key of understanding in order to overcome the crisis of interpretation and presentation of basic science. And we need to begin from the basics of physics and mathematics.
I wish you success.
Sincerely M.A. Gaisin
Hello, Basudeba!
Thank you very much for your comments! I am sending you my email: ideabank@yandex.ru
Regards, Vladimir
Hello, Murat!
Thank you very much for your comments and conclusions! Also, I wish you success!
Regards, Vladimir