Dear Michel

The links you provided are invaluable, and I hope to study them ASAP!

So far, out of necessity and personal limitations, I'm staying close to the ground with commonsense as my theory of everything. If I remember it correctly, you are the second person to suggest that I can firm up my results and/or thesis with disciplines that are more grounded in rational and mathematical bases.

I thought analogy and rationality are orthogonal to each other. Like quantum and classical. No?

I wonder if we try to "rationalize" the analogical mode of thoughts, are we not going through the same route as A.I. people who have been doing it for sometime, and without noticeable results. The question also is: Are we not be throwing the baby with the bath water?

The issue, I believe, is tied up in the larger issue of ultimate UNIFICATION in physics, and on that topic, I dare not make any pronoucement other than state my belief, which is:

'We have two fundamental laws of physics, the QUANTUM and the CLASSICAL. The quantum deals in chance and probability, in uncertainty and in freedom, while the classical revels in the power of its Laplacian determinism, demonically fixing the destinations of planets and the destinies of people from now to eternity, leaving nothing to chance or willfulness. There is no place for our humanity in this Laplacian cosmos of classical physics! But we know we are willful creatures, and the sense of freedom and the flexibility we obviously needed and enjoyed do conflict with the deterministic claims of classical physics.

What is more, the determinism defined within classical physics is also not - I believe - compatible with automaticity characteristic of the analogical, mainly because the determinism of classical physics is parasitic on the precision of the input variables for it to work, while the strength of analogy is that it works from small hints and vague inputs.

How does Nature deals with this dichotomous competing worldviews?

The jury is still out.'

For a more, you can check out my reply to the Anonymous on this site.

All the Best,

Than Tin

Vasilyeva,

Thanks for paying attention: I appreciate it more than I can say.

The issues of: wave-particle, unification-nonunification, connection-noconnection, gene-protein, variation-selection, spooky or not, information escape or does not escape, etc-etc are being debated and analyzed for so long that we can begin to wonder whether these states of "inconclusions" (Professor Mermin's word, not mine) are in fact the natural states of beings.

However, from the single-minded pursuit of unification all through these years, I am confident that we will be rewarded with fresh crops of new and interesting dualities.

With best regards,

Than Tin

Dear Than,

Thanks for comments on my blog. Pardon my starting another thread as this matter is unrelated to your essay:

Is it being implied by the relational view of space and as suggested by Mach's principle that what decides whether a centrifugal force would act between two bodies in *constant relation*, would not be the bodies themselves, since they are at fixed distance to each other, nor the space in which they are located since it is a nothing, but by a distant sub-atomic particle light-years away in one of the fixed stars in whose reference frame the *constantly related* bodies are in circular motion?

NOTE THAT in no other frame can circular motion between the bodies be described in this circumstance except in the 'observing' sub-atomic particle.

Regards,

Akinbo

*I will come back here for answer.

    Dear Than,

    You gave me some valuable insights, and conforted my thoughts.

    On first reading I thought to myself, this is someone who thinks like me, hear eDuality. But just after I discover that you fall into contradiction and you say that the eUniverse is analog.

    Your essay is excellent, you defend your point of view. But I still wanted to show your contradiction that takes you away from the eDuality that I defend.

    Why do you not agree with me that this eDuality is the universal principle, the first principle, the foundation and fundamental of all that exist.

    It is wrong to think that Nature is hiding something, Nature defend any secret and when It shows us motion, obviously for everyone, that we followed to arrive at the modern physical.

    The problem is, if there is one, in the interpretation.

    How do you deny all you see discrete and attach to your idea of an analog world ?

    First you admit that the eUniverse is made of opposites (eDuality), and at the first opportunity you refute everything.

    If after deepen your study, because you are on the right path, you will come to the same conclusion, that all opposites you see, these are the essential elements of information, which we call the 0 and 1.

    By following my intuition, I discovered the greatest theory, one of these theories that has never existed, one that summarize the whole universe, as many scientists have desired in their lifetime, including Wheeler.

    In any case, I tinkered a consistent eUniverse, that works, and all the laws and principles that we know have been applied with consistency.

    I will rate highly your essay, after that.

    Thank you and good luck.

    Please visit My essay.

      Dear Sir,

      We do not understand why scientists should use terms that are unscientific. Something weird means it is strange, odd, unusual, uncanny, eerie, creepy, bizarre, etc. It implies that the theory is unclear. Then how can it be called great? Is it not a contradiction? Is it not superstition? And when such statements are followed by comic/fantasy characters and their achievements, does it not denigrate science to fiction level?

      There are a large number of different approaches or formulations to the foundations of Quantum Mechanics. There is the Heisenberg's Matrix Formulation, Schrödinger's Wave-function Formulation, Feynman's Path Integral Formulation, Second Quantization Formulation, Wigner's Phase Space Formulation, Density Matrix Formulation, Schwinger's Variational Formulation, de Broglie-Bohm's Pilot Wave Formulation, Hamilton-Jacobi Formulation etc. There are several Quantum Mechanical pictures based on placement of time-dependence. There is the Schrödinger Picture: time-dependent Wave-functions, the Heisenberg Picture: time-dependent operators and the Interaction Picture: time-dependence split. The different approaches are in fact, modifications of the theory. Each one introduces some prominent new theoretical aspect with new equations, which needs to be interpreted or explained. Thus, there are many different interpretations of Quantum Mechanics, which are very difficult to characterize. Prominent among them are; the Realistic Interpretation: wave-function describes reality, the Positivistic Interpretation: wave-function contains only the information about reality, the famous Copenhagen Interpretation: which is the orthodox Interpretation. Then there is Bohm's Causal Interpretation, Everett's Many World's Interpretation, Mermin's Ithaca Interpretation, Brukner-Zeilinger interpretation, etc. With so many contradictory views, quantum physics is not a coherent theory, but is truly weird.

      String theory, which was developed with a view to harmonize General Relativity with Quantum theory, is said to be a high order theory where other models, such as supergravity and quantum gravity appear as approximations. Unlike super-gravity, string theory is said to be a consistent and well-defined theory of quantum gravity, and therefore calculating the value of the cosmological constant from it should, at least in principle, be possible. On the other hand, the number of vacuum states associated with it seems to be quite large, and none of these features three large spatial dimensions, broken super-symmetry, and a small cosmological constant. The features of string theory which are at least potentially testable - such as the existence of super-symmetry and cosmic strings - are not specific to string theory. In addition, the features that are specific to string theory - the existence of strings - either do not lead to precise predictions or lead to predictions that are impossible to test with current levels of technology.

      There are many unexplained questions relating to the strings. For example, given the measurement problem of quantum mechanics, what happens when a string is measured? Does the uncertainty principle apply to the whole string? Or does it apply only to some section of the string being measured? Does string theory modify the uncertainty principle? If we measure its position, do we get only the average position of the string? If the position of a string is measured with arbitrarily high accuracy, what happens to the momentum of the string? Does the momentum become undefined as opposed to simply unknown? What about the location of an end-point? If the measurement returns an end-point, then which end-point? Does the measurement return the position of some point along the string? (The string is said to be a Two dimensional object extended in space. Hence its position cannot be described by a finite set of numbers and thus, cannot be described by a finite set of measurements.) How do the Bell's inequalities apply to string theory? We must get answers to these questions first before we probe more and spend (waste!) more money in such research. These questions should not be put under the carpet as inconvenient or on the ground that some day we will find the answers. That someday has been a very long period indeed!

      Then how can it be a great theory? Is it so described to suppress the inferiority complex that has arisen because of lack of real progress? The technologists are doing an excellent job, but the theoretical scientists, who should be leading them, have taken to the back benches! They can only 'imagine' as a possibility - not envision a quantum theory - without weirdness.

      EPR is fiction, as the entanglement does not extend infinitely or "over distances that light can not even reach", but is over after a limited distance. Wave being continuous and ever moving and particle being discrete and stationary (when a particle moves, unlike waves, its mass moves in space), they cannot be the same. In our essay, we have explained it.

      The concept of length contraction suggested by Einstein in his SR paper is wrong. Two possibilities suggested by Einstein were either to move with the rod and measure its length or take a photograph of the two ends of the moving rod and measure the length in the scale at rest frame. However, the second method, advocated by Einstein, is faulty because if the length of the rod is small or velocity is small, then length contraction will not be perceptible according to his formula. If the length of the rod is big or velocity is comparable to that of light, then light from different points of the rod will take different times to reach the recording device and the picture we get will be distorted due to different Doppler shift. As a result, gamma is wrong. Hence SR is wrong. The inertial mass increase is wrong.

      Similarly, we have proved that the definition of simultaneity by Einstein in his SR paper violates the principle of relativity as his clock at A is a privileged frame of reference, with which, he synchronizes the clocks at B and C. We have also shown that the equivalence principle is a wrong description of facts, as it leads to the Russell's paradox in set theory.

      God is not Devil, who plays dirty tricks. Don't blame God for your lack of understanding.

      Those who criticize God often worship Devil. So no wonder, after discussing their ideas at length, you have landed up with a toy model.

      Regards,

      basudeba

        Dear Anton:

        I really believe that Nature is simple, "extremely simple" as you said, and may I add it is also on "autopilot." Sometimes, it says "Yes" and at other times, it says "No," and if we were to continue down this road of similarities, we might find that "action-reaction" is a Newtonian way of saying "Yes" and "No." Since our life experiences are different, we embody this verities differently, but if given enough time or diligence, we can begin to understand each other through these veils of differences.

        Thanks too for replying to my note, and I'm glad that we are on the same wavelength.

        Regards,

        Than Tin

        Dear Akinbo

        You ask deep and penetrating questions, and after the deadline of the contest, I am going to collect them, studied them, and if I can, I will try to answer some of them.

        For now, I am stumped to give any kind of direct answer to your question. (I like the phrase "It's above my pay grade" being used in this forum to avoid answering the question directly, but right now I cannot even find the reference to it!)

        However, I can give you this indirect answer, and you decide whether it is even relevant to your question.

        In Stephen Hawking's "A Briefer History of Time", page 32, para 2, I found the following statement: "Einstein's fundamental postulate of the theory of relativity, as it was called, stated that the laws of science should be the same for all freely moving observers, no matter what their speed." In other popular expositions, it has been also said that light travels at constant velocity in all inertial frames.

        Based on my empirical findings of dualities in our discourses, I have said (for the the umpteenth times too many!) that "Planck constant is the Mother of All Dualities" (including of course Wheeler's "Bit-It" title of the Contest), would you not say that my catechism: wave-particle ~ quantum-classical ~ Bit-It ~ gene-protein ~ analogy-reason ~ linear-nonlinear ~ ... can be interpreted as inertial or freely moving frames of references?

        I would love to hear your answer from the point of view of your essay "On The Road Not Taken". I am intrigued by your learned dissertation on "the cues" from great philosopher-thinkers from the past. We will need to return to it again and again.

        Best and Cheers!

        Than Tin

        Dear Amazigh

        Quantum physics says "Yes" and "No" are indistinguishable at the start, when everything is small, like atoms. Maybe that's what Schrodinger meant when he talked about live and dead cat in a box.

        Other expositors of QM have used different words to describe the states of: "Up" and "Down" (J. Bell?); "Here" and "There" (S. Weinberg?) as being superposed in quantum theory. Measurement gives the classical results (Bohr) by cancelling the interference terms in the probabilities (as amplitudes) to give clear answer to the ambiguity and randomness inherent in superposed states. Think two-slit experiment.

        It's difficult to keep track of the terminologies, let alone able to resolve the contradictions and inconsistencies in our seemingly divergent approaches. (The director of FQXi organization Max Tegmark's recent polling survey of physicists' view of "quantum measurement problem" has found no unanimity at all!)

        However, there is one thing I am grateful about, and that is Nature is tolerant: it allows us to be the same and different at the same time, if we were to wear a quantum mask. In classical physics, it is "Here" or "There", not "Here-There" together!

        If I have time, I will return to you again: It is all very interesting!

        Best and thanks,

        Than Tin

        Than,

        I found your essay to be very clear and thoughtful.

        Thank you for reviewing my essay "A Complex Conjugate Bit and It". We are very much in accord regarding the Planck constant as the "Mother of All Dualities".

        Your concept that "quantum is analogical" resonants with the global iterative process which "selects" a particular path out of an ensemble (via path integrals). Locally, we participate in this self-reflexive process by splitting into "self" (the observer) and "non-self" (the observed). In this way, the ontic "analogical quantum" is also dual to epistemic "rational classical" reality.

        Best wishes,

        Richard

          Richard,

          People already may be tired of my "analogies", but I can't resist from introducing them wherever and whenever I can. Like Banquo, thoughts appear at the at the oddest moments, not when we try to summon them.

          With that no-apology apology, I like to say that your essay is a banquet of ideas that need days for us mortals to digest. But I do not worry because people like E. E. Klingman and the two Vladimirs (you know who they are!) have done a thorough job of analytically rigorous reviews, which clarify and enlighten us further.

          There is very little for us to say more, and yet I have a few things left to say. Bear with me if you heard it before.

          A major aim of my essay is to remind people that analogy and its bretheren automatic ( therefore unconscious) thought processes are as valuable as conscious rational thought processes, which often in this day and age usually come dressed with the armors of logic and math. As I said in my essay, analogy is the flag ship of rationality. As quantum is to classical or as wave is to particle, they are inseparable elements of thoughts. We may argue how they are paired, but the pairing itself cannot be doubted. As mind is to body.

          Analogy is our theory of everything (TOE), because fundamentally it is all about sameness, (about the wholeness), and rationality is fundamentally about differences (about the parts), and we must have been talking about it since the days we have the language for it. We now have the mathematical and physical languages to talk about it more precisely and accurately.

          I can't help noticing that the theme running through our essays and commentaries is of unity in diversity, and my heart is glad when I was recognized as part of the fraternity.

          Feynman might well be applauding at our mutual admiration society!

          All the Best,

          Than Tin

          Dear Dr. Basudeba

          "God is subtle, but He is not malicious" is a famous quote from Einstein, and Google found 132,000 instances of it in 0.31 seconds on my computer. (Bing gives me 2,050,000 results, but not the time!).

          Your "God is not Devil, who plays dirty tricks. Don't blame God for your lack of understanding" is a facsimile of the same sentiments. (I put it a little differently as "Quantum is Analogical." Or "Nature is Analogical." Or "Nature is Tolerant.").

          I think we all are on the same wavelength as far as the central ideas are concerned, but we are finding ourselves facing different directions as we climb this helical stair case, be it in life or in physics, or in any other realms of thought. When we try to reconcile the difference, we end up with a different kinds of differences! An example: wave-particle and boson-fermion of Bose-Einstein condensate.

          Yes, there are too many interpretations of QM, and Yes, there are logical holes in SR, but many of us are blissfully unaware of it for the longest time. Thanks for reminding us.

          Best Regards and Good Cheers,

          Than Tin

          Dear Than,

          I suppose that Physics as a science tries to establish truth but not poetics and political sense of argument.R.Feynman also suggested that physicists have a way of avoiding the politics and subjective tastes in science : if you have an apparatus which is capable of telling how many bits of information given thermal energy ( "termal information" )must contain in the terms of physical measurement, then you can say scientifically about entity information, indeed. Because there is no such thing as physical measurement of the bits of thermal information, then Hawking-like law of information conservation (' The information remains firmly in our universe. Thus, If you jump into a black hole, your mass energy will be returned to our universe but in a mangled form which contains the information about what you were like but in a state where it can not be easily recognized '( Hawking ,2005 )) and its consequences might be considered, unfortunately,as popular illusion.

          respectfully

          Michael

            Hi Than Tin,

            I still did not fully read in complete detail your essay but wanted to give some comments on the parts I did get to. Your split of approaching things/problems via analogy and via rational reason reminded me a bit of Robert Pirsig's discussion of the intuition/romantic approach to the world vs. the analytical/scientific approach to the world in "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" (a great book despite the somewhat funny title). Part of the book is trying to find or describe the balance between these two modes of thought. Anyway if you have not read this book you may find it interesting.

            The second comment -- you discuss some constant on the last page of the essay and from what I understand you do a thought experiment to vary this constant ("A value of zero is certain to produce a fantasy world, but we could go just as wrong by going too strongly away from zero."). Then at the end you associate this constant with Planck's constant. This is an interesting thought experiment -- how would the world look of hbar, Planck's constant, where different? Taking hbar to 0 is generally called the classical limit since the world would be classical at all levels. If on the other hand if hbar were very large, quantum effects would/might become noticeable on large scales e.g. one might be able to "see" quantum tunneling. There was a paper by Adler and Santiago where they considered a variable hbar but I'm not sure what become of this. The original paper is available in the arXiv "On a generalization in quantum theory: Is h Planck constant?", Ronald J. Adler and David I. Santiago e-Print: hep-th/9908073.

            Best of luck,

            Doug