A Crazy It From A Misleading Bit: How A Zero-Referenced Fundamental Theorem of Calculus Loses Information And May Be Misleading Mathematical Physics by J P Baugher

Thank you Jeff,

I answered to your post in my forum.

And give me time please. I need read your work one more time.

George

Dear Jeff

Thank you for posting on my thread. I did a reply there, please have a look there.

So you think we can produce matter from nothing but just by thinking or by the description of matter available some where like in a computer memory?

Regarding your essay, I am having questions too...

You may please know that Dark matter, and Dark energy are mathematical problems. If you solve mathematics properly, they don't appear!

I hope to have a good discussion with you about all these...........

Best

=snp

Dear Jeff,

In your essay you have made very valiant effort to revive Gunnar Nordstrom's gravitational theory on the basis of your newly invented Area Calculus (metric field theory) and you have succeeded in predicting at least gravitational redshift and you hope to predict gravitational lensing by developing this theory. Regarding accelerating expansion, you are saying that "in essence, the late appearance of an accelerating expansion would be due to the inherent quantization of energy levels, which are quantized reductions in vacuum energy density". I want to know what you precisely you mean by that. By information you mean matter and dimensions and it is stored as integrals and also that by the processing of information you mean derivatives and these derivatives are forces and energy; thereby you have given geometric meaning to matter, dimensions, forces and energy, like in general relativity. You have rightly said that our current models can only account for about 4% of our own kind of energy density in the universe and so everything is up for review including our most basic assumptions. Finally you have concluded that "Without a mathematical language that includes the information of area, we may not be able to describe our Universe". That is without information (Bit) it is not possible for us to describe the universe, that is, reality (It) through the language of mind, that is, mathematics. Thus the union of all three (It, Bit and mind) is essential for our knowledge to exist. This is also the conclusion I have come to in my essay. So, please, go through my essay and express your comments on my essay in my thread. http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/1827

The thoughts you have put up in your essay are logically consistent and you got to develop them further so as to engross all problems pertaining to current day cosmology. Figures in the essay make it easy to comprehend your ideas.

Wish you best of luck in your endeavor,

Sreenath

Dear Jeff,

Please have a look, and discuss on any point, you feel not satisfied. . . .

http://vaksdynamicuniversemodel.blogspot.in/2012/11/fundamental-questions-addressed-by.html

Fundamental questions addressed by Dynamic Universe Model

This Model is new Cosmological model fundamentally and mathematically different from Bigbang, Steady state model etc. I am giving below its Foundational points, Present Day unsolved problems, which can't be solved by other prominent models, New Satellite Mass reduction technology and publications (Four Books published).

Main foundational points of Dynamic Universe Model:

-No Isotropy

-No Homogeneity

-No Space-time continuum

-Non-uniform density of matter, universe is lumpy

-No singularities

-No collisions between bodies

-No blackholes

-No warm holes

-No Bigbang

-No repulsion between distant Galaxies

-Non-empty Universe

-No imaginary or negative time axis

-No imaginary X, Y, Z axes

-No differential and Integral Equations mathematically

-No General Relativity and Model does not reduce to GR on any condition

-No Creation of matter like Bigbang or steady-state models

-No many mini Bigbangs

-No Missing Mass / Dark matter

-No Dark energy

-No Bigbang generated CMB detected

-No Multi-verses

Best

=snp

Hi Dear Jeff,

I have read and good rated your work. From your answer (in my forum) I saw you are a little bit sad with my advice about your efforts on gravity problem. Sorry my friend, maybe I have say not like that which I want actually you perceive. Dealt is you are fully right when you says ,,need to change the paradigm of investigation,,. I want tell you only - it is really need change and very deeply - i.e. by forgetting the formal-mathematical reasons (temporarily!)and by trying to solve the problem using the LOGIC only. It looks now very strange what I am saying (because of our education!) But, it really works (just believe me!)

Best wishes,

George

Hello Jeff -

I was impressed by your very thorough revision of metric field theory - and I agree with you that it is stunning to find we are ignorant of 96% of the universe!

Yes, the math must be reconsidered - and indeed all of our assumptions too.

In my essay, I've taken a non-mathematical approach - though the math will have to be developed - and I've described in physical terms a paradigm that accounts for the Cosmos as a confluence of energy vortices.

This might seem a little irrelevant to what you are saying, but if we are to review everything, we need to consider that our key central assumption is that inorganic reality is fundamental - while life and cognition are merely chemical. There are many interesting insights to be gained from considering life and cognition as fundamental - not least of which is the manner in which they appear correlated with inorganic reality.

I'm particularly interested in the point of view of mathematicians, since my paradigm must be expressed in mathematical language one day.

I have read and rated your work, and I look forward to hearing from you soon.

Best of luck in the contest,

John

Thank you Jeff

Maxwell's Curl? Hmm I am afraid I think visually and mechanically, and the mathematical formulation only confuses me...but from the name 'curl' I would say it sounds like it has to do with angular momentum. In fact in Fig. 4 of my essay I showed Maxwell's aether drawing rotating 'gears' with arrows showing how the e/m energy is transmitted.

I will study Nordstoem's theory, and look forward to your reworking it using Area Calculus. Thank you for your well wishes for longevity to witness the necessary and inevitable end of physics as they know it!

BTW if you have not read, or did not rate my essay The Cloud of Unknowing please consider doing so. With best wishes. Good luck with your work.

Vladimir

Dear Jeff,

Thanks for your kind comments and appreciate rating my essay highly. I am too going to rate your essay much more favorably.

Regarding your query " Since technology has allowed us to view further into space, would you call this an enlargement of the Biosphere since we now can absorb Information from previously undetectable sources?"; it is not due to the enlargement of the biosphere but it is due to the enlargement of our vision (knowledge) of our 'mind'. Similarly, to your another query, "Would you state that the evolutionary process of gathering data becomes more fine tuned as Life attempts to reconcile discontinuous Bits in Information of It(GR and QM)?"; again it is due to 'the evolution of the knowledge of mind' rather than due to Life.

If you have further queries, please, inform me.

Best of luck in the essay contest

Sreenath

Hello Jeff

Richard Feynman in his Nobel Acceptance Speech (http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1965/feynman-lecture.html)

said: "It always seems odd to me that the fundamental laws of physics, when discovered, can appear in so many different forms that are not apparently identical at first, but with a little mathematical fiddling you can show the relationship. And example of this is the Schrodinger equation and the Heisenberg formulation of quantum mechanics. I don't know why that is - it remains a mystery, but it was something I learned from experience. There is always another way to say the same thing that doesn't look at all like the way you said it before. I don't know what the reason for this is. I think it is somehow a representation of the simplicity of nature."

I too believe in the simplicity of nature, and I am glad that Richard Feynman, a Nobel-winning famous physicist, also believe in the same thing I do, but I had come to my belief long before I knew about that particular statement.

The belief that "Nature is simple" is however being expressed differently in my essay "Analogical Engine" linked to http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/1865 .

Specifically though, I said "Planck constant is the Mother of All Dualities" and I put it schematically as: wave-particle ~ quantum-classical ~ gene-protein ~ analogy- reasoning ~ linear-nonlinear ~ connected-notconnected ~ computable-notcomputable ~ mind-body ~ Bit-It ~ variation-selection ~ freedom-determinism ... and so on.

Taken two at a time, it can be read as "what quantum is to classical" is similar to (~) "what wave is to particle." You can choose any two from among the multitudes that can be found in our discourses.

I could have put Schrodinger wave ontology-Heisenberg particle ontology duality in the list had it comes to my mind!

Since "Nature is Analogical", we are free to probe nature in so many different ways. And you have touched some corners of it.

Good Luck,

Than Tin

Mr. Baugher,

I thought your essay was extremely well written. I was a little apprehensive because it started with an impossible abstract perfect diamond, however, your theorizing about the consequence of information waves seemed sound enough to me.

I do hope that you do not think me impertinent. I am a crusty old realist and as I have carefully explained in my essay BITTERS, everything in the real Universe is unique, once.

As you know, each snowflake is unique, once, and that means that each real molecule of each real snowflake must be unique, once. The whole real Universe is unique, once.

Which brings me to the consideration of your essay's graphics. They are not unique. They are computer generated perfect squares and perfect circle and perfect columns of perfect number and alphabetic symbols, and while they are pretty to look at, they are unusual, unrealistic, and unnecessary for explaining reality.

I wish you well in the competition,

Joe

Dear Dr Baugher,

I found your essay very interesting. I like the use of area calculus and Figure 18, the graphical analogy of difference between "attraction" and "reduced repulsion" was excellent. It reminds me of my simplex based theory that partly unifies the four forces of nature and resolves the three paradoxes of cosmogony, with regard to my attraction/repulsion approach.

I think your essay oozes enthusiasm for our chances to find answers to what the remaining 96% of Universe.

If you get chance please take a look at my essay, which isn't my unification theory, but looks at information exchange.

Best wishes,

Antony

Dear Jeff,

You are correct,

I am sorry in the delay in replying you. I did not check the replies. FQXi should have issued a notification that you have replied....

I think we form a picture of anything in our mind, and keep them in our memories. We communicate about that picture to others, which we call information. When we die we loose all these pictures and memories.

Now in this context, can we create material from information...?

You can discuss with me later after this contest closes also.

Best

=snp

snp.gupta@gmail.com

Dear All

Let me go one more round with Richard Feynman.

In the Character of Physical Law, he talked about the two-slit experiment like this "I will summarize, then, by saying that electrons arrive in lumps, like particles, but the probability of arrival of these lumps is determined as the intensity of waves would be. It is this sense that the electron behaves sometimes like a particle and sometimes like a wave. It behaves in two different ways at the same time.

Further on, he advises the readers "Do not keep saying to yourself, if you can possibly avoid it. 'But how can it be like that?' because you will get 'down the drain', into a blind alley from which nobody has yet escaped. Nobody knows how it can be like that."

Did he says anything about Wheeler's "It from Bit" other than what he said above?

Than Tin

Dear Jeff,

Its really a good essay, and you have stated rightly that our present range of vision is comprise up to 4% only and 96% is remain unexplored: as per present astro-physical estimates.

That is why in my essay I use the term to express further broader aspect of nature "digital limitation of digitized observers like us".

Thanks for your your presentation.

Regards

Dipak

Dear Jeff,

Its really a good essay, and you have stated rightly that our present range of vision is comprise up to 4% only and 96% is remain unexplored: as per present astro-physical estimates.

That is why in my essay I use the term to express further broader aspect of nature "digital limitation of digitized observers like us".

Thanks for your presentation.

Regards

Dipak

. So you can produce matter from your thinking or from information description of that matter. . . . ?

I am requesting you to go through my essay also. And I take this opportunity to say, to come to reality and base your arguments on experimental results.

I failed mainly because I worked against the main stream. The main stream community people want magic from science instead of realty especially in the subject of cosmology. We all know well that cosmology is a subject where speculations rule.

Hope to get your comments even directly to my mail ID also. . . .

Best

=snp

snp.gupta@gmail.com

http://vaksdynamicuniversemodel.blogspot.com/

Pdf download:

http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/essay-download/1607/__details/Gupta_Vak_FQXi_TABLE_REF_Fi.pdf

Part of abstract:

- -Material objects are more fundamental- - is being proposed in this paper; It is well known that there is no mental experiment, which produced material. . . Similarly creation of matter from empty space as required in Steady State theory or in Bigbang is another such problem in the Cosmological counterpart. . . . In this paper we will see about CMB, how it is generated from stars and Galaxies around us. And here we show that NO Microwave background radiation was detected till now after excluding radiation from Stars and Galaxies. . . .

Some complements from FQXi community. . . . .

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Anton Lorenz Vrba wrote on May. 4, 2013 @ 13:43 GMT

....... I do love your last two sentences - that is why I am coming back.

Author Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta replied on May. 6, 2013 @ 09:24 GMT

. . . . We should use our minds to down to earth realistic thinking. There is no point in wasting our brains in total imagination which are never realities. It is something like showing, mixing of cartoon characters with normal people in movies or people entering into Game-space in virtual reality games or Firing antimatter into a black hole!!!. It is sheer a madness of such concepts going on in many fields like science, mathematics, computer IT etc. . . .

B.

Francis V wrote on May. 11, 2013 @ 02:05 GMT

Well-presented argument about the absence of any explosion for a relic frequency to occur and the detail on collection of temperature data......

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Robert Bennett wrote on May. 14, 2013 @ 18:26 GMT

"Material objects are more fundamental"..... in other words "IT from Bit" is true.

Author Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta replied on May. 14, 2013 @ 22:53 GMT

1. It is well known that there is no mental experiment, which produced material.

2. John Wheeler did not produce material from information.

3. Information describes material properties. But a mere description of material properties does not produce material.

4. There are Gods, Wizards, and Magicians, allegedly produced material from nowhere. But will that be a scientific experiment?

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Hoang cao Hai wrote on Jun. 16, 2013 @ 16:22 GMT

It from bit - where are bit come from?

Author Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta replied on Jun. 17, 2013 @ 06:10 GMT

....And your question is like asking, -- which is first? Egg or Hen?-- in other words Matter is first or Information is first? Is that so? In reality there is no way that Matter comes from information.

Matter is another form of Energy. Matter cannot be created from nothing. Any type of vacuum cannot produce matter. Matter is another form of energy. Energy is having many forms: Mechanical, Electrical, Heat, Magnetic and so on..

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Antony Ryan wrote on Jun. 23, 2013 @ 22:08 GMT

.....Either way your abstract argument based empirical evidence is strong given that "a mere description of material properties does not produce material". While of course materials do give information.

I think you deserve a place in the final based on this alone. Concise - simple - but undeniable.

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Please try Dynamic Universe Model with some numerical values, give initial values of velocities, take gravitation into consideration( because you can not experiment in ISOLATION). complete your numerical experiment.

later try changing values of masses and initial values of velocities....

Calculate with different setups and compare your results, if you have done a physical experiment.

I sincerely feel it is better to do experiment physically, or numerically instead of breaking your head on just logic. This way you will solve your problem faster.....

Best

=snp