An asteroid with rings and likely shepherd moon is only 250km across and the new dwarf planet 450km across is described as:

Trujllio and colleagues estimate that the new dwarf planet is relatively small -- about 450 kilometers (280 miles) in diameter, which less than the driving distance from Philadelphia to Boston. It's probably ball-shaped, he said.

So why is this not a major planet such as Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars? Trujillo explains that a bona fide planet is big enough that other objects in its orbit will be sucked into it gravitationally. A dwarf planet is not big enough to become gravitationally dominant; it's too small to pull in objects in the area of its path.

There's a discrepancy here.

Also, the similar inclinations of the two distant objects could be due to the exotic dark matter hypothesis rather than a 10x super-earth planet:

In the most speculative part of today's announcement the astronomers noted that 2012 VP113 shares a similar inclination in its orbit to the previously discovered Sedna,which Trujillo also had a hand in discovering, and which was originally termed 2003 VB12. They suggest that a much larger planet's gravity could be corralling both objects.

They suggest that this as yet unseen gravitational sheep dog would be huge: perhaps 10 times the mass of the Earth, and orbiting a few hundred times further from the sun than our planet. Such 'Super Earths' are now routinely found around other stars. To find one in our solar system would constitute as much of a shake up as the discovery of Uranus, Neptune or Pluto did back in 1781, 1846, 1930 respectively.

    Hi Georgina and thanks. I'm predicting that further discoveries in the outer solar system will reveal a problem with basic Newtonian gravitational mechanics. If a shepherd moon is confirmed for the 250km diameter double ring asteroid then this will be a blow to the basic assumptions of gravitational attraction. Additional self-interacting exotic dark matter at their cores will be needed to resolve the issue imo.

    It would also account for the similar inclinations of the two outer dwarf planets. If many more are discovered then I predict a greater distribution around the plane of angular momentum of the solar system.

    All the best,

    Alan

    4 days later

    Wow, there's a connection between gravitational resonances and organic matter:

    Dwarf Planet Discovery Could Help Show Life's Spread Through Solar System

    He found that those resonant objects that are embedded in the Kuiper Belt are full of this ultra-red material, indicating likely organics. On the edge of the belt, some of those objects also still have the material, showing that it is somehow leaking into the inner Solar System. Those that are quite far away, however, show none of the material.

    Sedna and 2012 VP133 are well beyond the boundaries of the Kuiper Belt. Sheppard's new paper argues that they are part of the edges of the Oort Cloud, a theorized icy collection of objects extending thousands of AUs away from Earth. (The Oort Cloud is perhaps best known for being the supposed source of many comets that fly into the inner solar system.)

    (Is the Oort Cloud a source of dark matter? The dark matter halo hypothesis fits with the idea of dark matter at the core of Oort Cloud objects)

    The ill fated MH370 passenger plane could have been affected by the 'cosmic rays' produced from annihilating dark matter at the Earth's core. These would have affected the electronics of the aircraft. These emissions would be responsible for equatorial terrestrial gamma ray flashes (TGFs) in general.

    6 months later

    My discussion with Peter earlier led me to predict annihilating dark matter at the galactic centers.

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    Azad,

    Certainly electron-positron (fermion) pairs annihilating, as wherever they're propagated. I've found no reason that, along with the significant free proton fraction, (=pure plasma n=1) this spectroscopically 'dark' medium now found can't perform all the functions of 'dark matter'.

    If anybody knows of any falsifiable reasons please advise.

    Many thanks

    Peter

    PS Azad; Your links' lead nowhere. Click on 'link help page' just above the dialogue box here and follow the instructions, (NOT repeating the http: in the brackets). But I also think the address is incomplete.

      Peter beware of grey aliens. Scroll down a bit to see Alan Lowey post April 3, 2014 and compare. You may ask Jason for help if you can't recognize grey aliens.

      Akinbo,

      I see them. Can you adjudicate? The deal was no big advances till 2020 to give us a chance to get our house in order. I see the need to 'feed' in' the new way of thinking gradually so by 2020 the paradigm change process is possible to start. These things do take cosmic time!

      I think their view is that in case we're NOT ready by 2020 it's be dangerous to start a ball rolling now that can't be stopped. I'm convinced it's more an uphill than downhill process. Or am I being a bit 'previous'?

      As one whose had at least an initial glimpse, what's the fair solution? What with ISIL, Ebola, the Chinese etc I do see they have a point. (I hope Ebola's nowhere near you).

      Do you think it may be them messing with your electricity? lol.

      Best wishes

      Peter

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