Dear John!

I feel calm, knowledge, wisdom and acceptance in your writings.

Anyhow there be a mentioning, apprehension about time and space, flowing back and forth, yes, things seem turning back to the origin-al 'knowledge' and wisdom. Perhaps, for that reason 'there be hacked the human history' :)

Thermodynamics means for me quite simply translating/narrating it, to be an order/disorder relation. Why the latter suggests a kind of negative attitude even so that may be a source of development, a new possible arrangement of things putting them into an order again.

As Joe Fisher says the 'Reality Once' (I call it, the original Reality as an undisturbed Natural order) is not complicated truly. However all possible information inherently involved, either one knows, apprehends it or not.

The Man has a capability (also inherently given) which propels him to understand, scrutinize his environment both inner/outer ones! The Man inherently wants to know! It also cannot be ignored! Surely there were and possibly there will be civilizations (natural organizations of universal arrangements or orders of beings) who never used hard technological inventions overtaking their own nature, used their knowledge wisely. (We should have heard about them as fairydom or ethereal kingdom). Also possibly there were civilizations and there will be who need to equilibrate between the incorporating dimensions. Some parts of the structure of dimensions should be meant material some parts anyhow named, termed interpreted by a kind of language. (involving mathematics, physics, esoteric, art, etc. Using those several kind of interpretation methods i.e. languages, I think, it really seems yet like a Tower of Babel.

I also think, the spiritual part of a complex Natural system at which apex can be the Universal Cosmic Man who is able to apprehend the whole structure and stratum of the existence basically inherent, immanent, encompassing, inseparable from the material parts, all involved, and integrated. The energy conveying information about the whole structure and stratum flows and circulates bottom up and top to bottom inside outside and vica versa. Neither the material existence nor spiritual one are more important.

What is interesting and thoughtful for me from your last advice. Yes, being wild also is a healthy part of the Nature, I can accept, even so I better prefer being balanced. We are able to keeping in balance our emotional turmoil arising from our inherent wild nature and the over controlled conscious decision making and steering ourselves supported by strong technological and artificial means.

We are presently on a way at an exceptional 'Moment in the NOW' when the sensing of time and space can vanish and we should be - WHO WE TRULY ARE, or want to be!

Thank you for our conversation.

Kind regards,

Valeria

Dear John,

Congratulation, wonderful essay! It contains many wisdoms. I enjoyed reading it.

Best regards,

Leo KoGuan

    Valeria,

    Each of us is a little bubble of awareness and knowledge and that is the basis of our knowledge. We describe the space as three dimensional, because it takes three coordinates to measure it and one of time, to describe the sequence of events we perceive. Now we think of progress as moving forward and constantly taking in new information and experiences, but what if we are to stop and let the world rush on by, so that even our own thoughts float out in front of us, like the spots, waves, sparkles and pulses in our vision when we just sit back and let our eyes stare off into the air? Then the interior dynamic of our thoughts start to pull on themselves and the third eye can see the thought before last, just floating out there, before it vanishes into a bird in the distance. Then we know that thin surface of the bubbles of our self is as much an illusion as anything else. It is its own sense of order and balance, but if it wants to see outside, it has to let go, just a little bit.

    Regards,

    John

    Dear Author John Brodix Merryman

    Do you believe that : all be must have limits?

    And it seems that mankind has approached the limit of the problems that you made ​​in this essay?

    Best wishes with the highest point - Hải.CaoHoàng

      Hai,

      Limits are an aspect of information and structure. The difference between what is and what is not. If it exists, it has limits and boundaries to make it what it is. Without those boundaries and limits, nothing exists. Now energy will always be testing and pushing on boundaries, structure and limits. If there was no movement and action, there would be no way to know there are limits and structure, because there nothing testing and acting on them. Essentially boundaries and limits are opposite forces pushing, or pulling on one another. So information is the definition, boundaries and thus limitations of energy.

      Regards,

      John M

      Dear John!

      Thank you for sharing with me your experiences.

      I only deem to understand what you are describing here. It seems me just like you are able to visually recall time-lines (albeit those experiences are deemed to be lived and gathered new information sequentially forward in time) of experiences of a self, but those are projected backwardly in front of you by your third eye (functioning as a focusing prism) to oversee them. Furthermore those selves are even individual bubbling universes for their own. Do you mean something like this?

      I'm not able to visually recall any else memory seeing backward to my present birth, only events happening in my present life. I'm also not able to imagine, visualize any kind of abstraction of energy patterns (such as waves, spots.. etc.) However, as I pointed out to you what is interesting and I'm sure - the void there may be present in a very complex form. - If I'm concentrating to recall any past life memories it is pretty same for me I've just releasing every thoughts emptying my mind - sometimes said one is contemplating the no think, no thing - I can see only an all encompassing light. Even so I'm doing this and experience it in a living complex physical body. Whether my physical body is an illusion or this kind of experience? I'm not sure yet. But I incline to think there is my physical body in a real reality unconditionally existing however my memory projected here is no thing. There may be probably 'a program' to create my holographically projected and materially arranged body illusion and one whom I'm presently experiencing just Me from a birthing point here, however the real I may be living in a reality which exists neither in time and and space .

      That is also tricky for me, as I mentioned to you I'd got an else capability. What I should liken to a computer terminology. It seems me functioning as a crawler gathering thoughts patterns on certain key nodes of a network which are factually not mine own thoughts, but thoughts of a same self living in severally projected bodies and even living yet in else time-space space-time frameworks, somehow all convolute and converge in a present point, or at least try to make a consensus with very own their/him selves. This kind of experience much rather likened to the String and M-theory described in theoretical physics.

      Are you riding a horse living outside or just that is also an illusion?

      Honestly said, I'm a bit confused yet, what is an illusion what is not in our life.

      Thank you again for our conversation.

      Kind regards,

      Valeria

      John,

      I chopped this up a bit and re-arranged it. I skipped your mundane attempt to define God. I don't agree with the rest of your essay either. However, I will ask for your response to this:

      Your view of monotheism:

      "Usually religion is the area in which society collects its communal vision of what is important, but that has become a bit of a fallback position for significant unanswered questions and it is seriously fragmented. The central thesis for many people, monotheism, the premise of an all-knowing absolute being, is about 3000 years old. While it fills and fulfills a variety of

      emotional needs and some convenient political ends, many do not find it coherently logical."

      Me: Before the above you presented your own monotheism:

      "At its most basic level, reality is the dichotomy of energy and information. Like two sides of a coin, one does not exist without the other. Energy manifests information and information defines energy. Among those for whom this is a professional concern, information tends to be paramount because it is what is descriptive, yet in the absence of any form of energy, there can be no information. The void has no form. Sorry Plato."

      Me: Changing God's name to Energy doesn't change theology to science. Is it your view that energy is the cause of intelligent life?

      James Putnam

        John,

        I enjoyed your essay very much especially quotes such as these:

        "We are fundamentally linear creatures. As singular organisms, we experience this kaleidoscopic reality as a sequence of events and being generally predatory, this sense is further focused. Nature, on the other hand, is cyclical and any action ultimately is balanced by other, non-linear activity."

        "We are fundamentally linear creatures. As singular organisms, we experience this kaleidoscopic reality as a sequence of events and being generally predatory, this sense is further focused. Nature, on the other hand, is cyclical and any action ultimately is balanced by other, non-linear activity."

        I think you are totally right in suggesting that our current financial system is out of whack. Not to pick on the much lambasted high frequency traders, but they are indicative of our problems. Talk about short term thinking! HFTs trade in micro-seconds not even perceivable by human beings dis-attaching us from the slower cyclic moves of the economy and the slow emergence of the future as the product of our investments. A re-conceptualizing of money is certainly in order.

        Like the Sabbath we need reminding that "money was made for us and not us for money". Your essay is a good move in that direction.

        Best of luck!

        Rick Searle

          Valeria,

          It has been a tendency I've had since childhood. Once when studying this ant, it stopped and I had this sense of a cone of awareness waving about with its antenna. When I drive down the road, I'll frequently get a visual sense of the drivers coming the other way. So much of our sense of sight is a matter of focusing on details, yet this is the opposite, to just objectively allow the vision to go in a zone. Remember the eyeball is a fluid sack being lensed by the muscles and much of what we think we see is really the brain patching together all the input into a semi-coherent narrative. As I'm someone who grew up as a younger child in a large farm family, with lots of large animals, I suppose I have the personality of a prey animal, so I know how to just melt into the circumstance, and just absorb my environment and physically function at a subconscious, muscle memory level. In some of those cave paintings in France, there are a various abstract symbols, alongside the drawings of the animals and they resemble the sorts of forms I see. For instance, one is the classic heart design. Now if you take one of those spot forms and have a line going through it and pulling on it, it creates that classic heart shape. As though that spot of awareness is being pulled by another. This line pulling on it would be the Cupid's arrow.

          Not to get all cosmic here, but people these days do live very emotionally and organically sterilized lives, with all food, information, environment and often relationships being highly processed. My experience is that much of the actual organic nature of life is being lost.

          Regards,

          John

          James,

          I can see getting that from my comment of thinking about the spirit as more energy than form, but that is within the context of my observations that the real mystery is this elemental sense of awareness which which life seems to be possessed of. So often with many things, we naturally relate the process with the form. For example, we tend to think of the present in terms of the specific situation, rather than that more vague presence of being. So when people think of God, they tend to associate it with some formless power, 'up in the heavens,' because that is what they are taught, rather than the source of their own sense of being. Logically then the source doesn't particularly know every detail of what will ever happen, only that it keeps pushing onward. Since many people want to be given some sense of direction and only really want freedom when their forward progress is blocked, especially those who feel the need for an all powerful deity, this notion of a bottom up spirituality probably isn't all that appealing, but I'm trying to figure out what is logical, not what people want. So for me, the question is trying to explain the sense of being, not the physical reality it manifests. That physical process seems to be a cycle of expanding energy and contracting mass, but that we have discussed previously.

          Planning on getting around to yours, but with my limited time, have mostly been reading those who don't converse in the forums.

          Regards,

          John

          Rick,

          Thank you.

          I do start with a broad view and try to narrow it down to some specific points, because that is how we need to distill any form of logical argument. In a sense, we put that predatory impulse to good use, with extracting the desired from the context. This then goes to my observation about the nature of utopia. It is a social idealization and ideals are all the good stuff distilled from the seeming extraneous, or simply undesirable parts. Yet often one person's ideal views another's nature as imperfect. We conflate our sense of perfection with a universal absolute, but as I point out, the absolute is basis, where all those details are lost. Given the nature of structure in general, it tends to be inherently self supporting and so like a gravitational vortex, draws everything inwards. When we then set up the ideal, it tends to become the center of this vortex, pulling everything inwards. While this is all very natural, when it happens with complex forms such as human societies, that simple, central thesis can be overwhelming to all the networks forming that society and you can end up with the various forms of centralized totalitarianism, drawing out the society into the black hole in the center.

          So while we do very much need the focus of our desires and ideals, we also need to keep some sense of the larger context and a balance between the two.

          Regards,

          John M

          John,

          Ok, I gather that you are not addressing how we are aware or as you put it that vague sense of being. When you speak of explaining the sense of being you are not explaining its original cause? I don't have any religious position on this. What I was thinking was that your point is that dumbness can provide for and produce intelligence. Your emphasis on energy is what prompted my question. I was wondering about the logic and empirical evidence for demonstrating that. Anyway, if your addressing our sense of being as a given, then my question is not relevant. Thank you for your reply.

          James Putnam

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          Dear John!

          Thanks again, and again for your answers.

          As far as, I can exert (and understand) written in my essay, I basically feel the 'natural original MAN' has a very structured genetic arrangement inwardly containing the stratum of the living species in the original undisturbed Nature (involving plants, animals) even chemically non-organic elements such as crystals. All information which are inside structured in an original 'hu'man genetic arrangement encompasses the MAN being projected outwardly we should call also outer environment. This unconditionally present both inner-outer environment information complexity may be anyhow conceptualized and narrated and labelled either with terms by a kind of complexity of languages, such as mathematics, physics, esoteric, what are worked out mostly based on abstractions what several kind of parts of the brain anyhow processes during experiences. Very Likely by that way, you are mentioning above. Every layer in the living Nature both inside and outside also separately experiences sensations which probably somehow can be also arranged severally some ones' genetic even yet depending on the closer environment in which one is actually living. This may be the cause your 'personality' as you feel and write is closer to animals, and supposedly your genetic works processing the information most closed to as how an animal can perceive and sense. Albeit every elements in the Nature has conciousness (it has been never said exactly either in philosophy, or psychology) however, I also suppose the man as a complex has some additional part in his brain for summing up the gathered information we should call - higher cognitive function - or conscious awareness.

          I suppose too, that the recognition process about our world and nature, and the man's claim to know, and making its environment comfortable for himself is a process which doesn't depend on time and space, much rather an everlasting cyclic one. However, during this recognition process he should be able to get information arising from and examining very himself and his environment, which allows him to change his environment even more encroach into his own genetic. Whether is it ethical or not and how far we should go on this matter? Probably our present framework in which we are just living and those ways we are perceiving and sensing things can be a kind of environment for testing (I supposed intentionally created one, you proposed let there be hacked).

          Very likely, there may be experiments running (either simulations or unfortunately not) for a kind of betterment or lowering of the original genetic capacity and inherent knowledge even those interspecies not created naturally during this experiments are incorporating in present.

          I think, you are right, in this regard unfortunately - much part of the organic nature of life is being lost. I do not disagree there may be achieved a possible symbioses between that big diversities (as far as our present Earth both biosphere and noosphere have been changing), based on mutual high standards (see my comments on George Gantz essay) - but I'm not so optimistic in that somehow experiencing my present life lived very in-between and in-balanced yet.

          Recalling the original higher memory here from which the original experiment (if there is such one)is yet too difficult,because the promotions of non-organic life forms in our present outer environment are stronger yet. So living in harmony and balanced with in a basically organic body, however encompassing it outwardly much more artificiality unfortunately should cause a collapsing. (Albeit I haven't any memory about it, I think, something similar might happen at Atlantis.)

          Kind regards,

          Valeria

          Valeria,

          I think that animals inherently think mostly in terms of energy. Hot/cold, attraction/repulsion, left/right, etc. In other words, information is simply descriptive of what is physically happening. Man, on the other hand, has gone much more into thinking as a function of arranging informational frames and concepts, even to the current point of dismissing energy as relevant, but then instinctively reacts to the subliminal forces, much like herd behaviors and other basic impulses still overwhelm the logical process. So to get back to my original point to you, that you need to focus that field of energy that is your awareness, in order to leverage the larger process. It is still that fundamental expansion, consolidation of gathering energy/information and then focusing it in the desired direction. Not to say it works, because most other people are going to be very wrapped up in their own framing process and rarely see anything which isn't already in their field of vision. For example, there are a lot of broad minded and or deep thinkers in this contest, yet I think that at this point in history, the gift our generation can really past onto future generations is after the next impending financial crisis occurs to re-evaluate the nature of money and start treating it as the broad social contract and economic medium that it is and not simply as another commodity that can be treated as personal property, because the further this debt bubble continues, the more resources get wasted supporting it and humanity doesn't have enough left to repeat the same process without learning this fundamental lesson! Yet few seem to understand.

          Such is life. Our complexity obscures as much as it illuminates.

          Regards,

          John

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          Dear John!

          You surely found out the 'Anonymous' reply was me. The system actually logged me off, when I had pushed the 'Submit new post' button. I do not want to draw a hard conclusion it may be a kind of caution - shutting me down to say more.

          I'd like saying to you yet, I can see from those conversations threads you are engaged on, you are working with them patiently and wisely inevitably with a huge background knowledge. I'd hope, I could help you as much as given information which could best fit into your insight too, without too much overloading.

          I deem to understand why your essay title is what is. Unfortunately, hacking the human history and all tremendous confusing behind information disseminated in the last 25 years, not so simple just re-writing a wrong code in a computer program. We are dealing with the human history as a complex more dimensional living database and who is entitled to decide whether which parts there be deleted how and why - that is a high responsibility for anyone.

          I can see you are on the right track figure out and promote an understanding and rewriting of the context of the nature of the money, but unfortunately I can see the greatest problem at the present moment is - How to substitute those wrong thought forms which drive ones into the extremity to own the nature and life which is unconditionally given for every being! I can't give an answer to this.

          So at best good luck for us truly.

          Kind regards,

          Valeria

          Valeria,

          The title was somewhat in jest, yet it does seem quite probable there will be an enormous financial crisis in the not too distant future and the solution to the last one, pouring enormous amounts of excess credit into an already over leveraged financial sector, with no real punishment for previous wrong doing, or serious regulation of current behaviors, is a recipe for an atomic meltdown of a financial crisis. Combine this with a highly networked population and virtually every other institutional model, from religions to governments and corporations, under various ethical clouds and no serious programs to address such an economic heartattack, who is to say this observation won't go viral?

          On a personal level, I'd probably prefer it didn't, as it would likely get me far more attention than I care for, but it seems a logical observation to me, so I feel obligated to make it. If people chose to ignore it, oh well. Guess I'd have to put a bigger garden in next year and not spend as much time on the internet.

          Regards,

          John

          James,

          My suspicion is that what would be considered the spiritual realm is every bit as complex as its biological manifestation. If not far more so. That said, I think the term intelligence is a relative concept, with many different applications and scales.

          I think one of the most incisive descriptions of the source of this sense of being was Nietzsche's observation about staring into the abyss and sensing it staring back. That's the problem with our grasp of awareness, we like something to grasp onto.

          Regards,

          John

          John,

          Well, I will move on. I haven't rated your essay and probably won't. As I said once before, you are good with boxes. I have also said that I don't fit in your box. Well it hasn't changed for me. It seems that others like your approach, so, lets see how well you do without me affecting it. Good luck in the contest.

          James Putnam

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          Dear John!

          Thanks again for your insight.

          My essay and my comments put here try to convey also a message, I keep very important for our understanding at any level top-to-bottom or bottom-to top, which is not so simple to compress into either 9 pages or only sentence starting from one and being punctuated at the end. But I'm trying.

          I keep, working with: The - thoughts - the utmost capability for the MAN!

          Explanation: The thought is energy and information (on many structured levels, even our emotions, deep senses are as much thoughts we are able to consciously formulate into being been intellectually aware, we should say a man is composed of his thoughts and his way for living in healthy organism and organization keeping his thoughts both intellectually and emotionally balanced. ) which allows us to create, to materialize around us our ideas, desires, will etc., independently from the existence exists in any kind of form we can conceive about it. The thought both local and non-local and exist neither in time and space and as much as the existence exists. So that above comprehension is what makes us to be a higher order being.

          We are on the way to work out an utmost 'philosophy' at which apex should be the science about - physics of thoughts -! Used for our mutual benefit and health not for being our own autocratic oppressor!

          The problem is not the 'money'! But, - How to change our thoughts about to be anything in our possession! Nothing and no one is in our possession in the Nature! However everything is at our disposal to live, work with it and using it, even researching with it to further develop. However,our ability is that too, drawing limits to ourselves - what is worth to know and steer, truly.

          So who is entitled to own and steer anyone's thoughts by any means - magic, technology even any kind of ideology? This is a deep conflict yet between the higher intellect and emotions and all about how the free-will may be achieved and maintained in a socially organized living systems - a.k.a. kept in a living history database of our many lives memory under scrutiny yet.

          Yes, you are right the money should e.g. work as a social contract much rather than anyone own property. I agree, some you write, perhaps that may be a possible resolution in the present situation. But before even that to be accomplished - I keep much more important, the necessity of altering - NEVER BE anything, anyone's thoughts and life owned! This is something which need to be considered much rather starting from an intellectual awareness than emotional one. But requires balance from bottom up flowing for the apprehension and acceptance emotionally too.

          This is my awareness! And thought-energy shared with everyone either wants absorb, absolve to accept or repels knowing about.

          Thank you for our conversation! I hope at best, we as a living complex of humanity and also an economical and ecological one, will be able to apprehend and accomplish it for our best health and we will be able both intellectually and emotionally re-structuring ourselves by our thoughts, for keeping that and us, in a proper balance for our civilization survival - a.k.a truly 'hacking the human history' which is not a joke!

          Kind regards, good works, and best of all for you and all of us!

          Valeria