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Dear Georgina,

As I promised in my Essay page, I have read your particular and nice Essay. Here are my comments/questions:

1) I did not know the intriguing sentence by Dr. Bartlett on the exponential function. I think it could have also other meanings outside the contest of overpopulation.

2) The lesson of the bacteria in a jar is nice, but I am not sure that it works also for humans in our planet.

3) Your title "Smooth seas do not make good sailors" that you also recall within the Essay's text remembers me my statement that "Experience is the sum of all ours failures".

4) I am an estimator of Dr. Allan Savory. It was a good thing that you cited him.

5) The aphorism "Diversity aids survival, do not let the book be destroyed to save the page" is fantastic!

6) I think that long-term weather forecasting is difficult also today.

7) Do you think that nuclear energy, if used without violent purposes, could have some role in your beautiful utopia?

You wrote a nice Essay, which enjoyed me. Thus, I will give you an high score. Best luck in the contest.

Cheers, Ch.

    Dear Christian,

    thank you so much for reading my essay and commenting.

    1, "The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." - Prof. Al Bartlett; comes from the beginning of his talk "Arithmetic, Population and Energy." In the references at the end of my essay there is a hyperlink to a transcript of his talk. Here is a link to the full transcript of the talkTranscript of Arithmetic, population and energy Or if you prefer on this linked page you will find links to video of his talk as 8 installments or as 1 hour streaming video.Video links, Arithmetic, Population and Energy, by A. Bartlett It is well worth a look. I have watched it all the way through a number of times because it is so good.

    "Dr. Bartlett gave his celebrated lecture, Arithmetic, Population and Energy 1,742 times."from www.albartlett.org/presentations It is about the exponential function which applies to any kind of growth, increasing use of resources, particularly fossil fuels, as well as population growth.

    He also says, Quote:"We must educate people to recognise the fact that growth of populations and growth of rates of consumption of resources cannot be sustained. What's the first law of sustainability? You've heard thousands of people talking endlessly about sustainability; did they ever tell you the first law? Here it is: population growth and /or growth in the rates of consumption of resources cannot be sustained. That's simple arithmetic. Yet nobody that I'm encountering will tell you about that when they're talking about sustainability. So I think it's intellectually dishonest to talk about saving the environment, which is sustainability, without stressing the obvious fact that stopping population growth is a necessary condition for saving the environment and for sustainability."

    2. The lesson of the bacteria in a jar 'brings home' the idea of how very quickly resources are used up when there is exponential growth. Much, much quicker than with a linear relationship. So it's no good looking at what's left and comparing it to what has been used already and thinking that's plenty, because with the next doubling of consumption as much again as the total already used will be used up. Prof. Bartlett explains it better than I can in a short reply.

    3.Yes a good comparison.It is overcoming difficulties that gives the experience to deal effectively with future problems.

    4.Yes I think Dr. Allan Savory is doing very good work. I also like that he admits to the mistake of recommending the cull of herds of elephants and has taken a "U turn" against the incorrect received wisdom of overgrazing.

    5.Thank you.

    6.Yes also in the references at the end of the essay is a link to a talk given by Timothy Palmer: Predicting climate in a chaotic world, how certain can we be?MIT Lorenz Center John Carlson Lecture. You tube:Timothy Palmer: Predicting climate in a chaotic world, how certain can we be? He explains the need to crudely sum together the smallest inputs to the climate and weather forecasts because even with the biggest super computers there is not the computing power to deal with the level of accuracy of inputs required for really accurate forecasts. Because of the importance of weather prediction, he illustrates this by talking about knowing if we would be dealing with a hurricane Sandy or a Katrina event he asks for more funding for that kind of research as even more computing power is what is needed.

    7.I was trying to portray a truly sustainable community, implying that they do not use non renewable resources and produce toxic waste. So a fission reactor is out of the question. That would involve mining and transport of raw materials (which may be even more problematic than now with climate disruption) and storage of waste. If safe fusion reactors can be built in the future and deuterium and tritium can be obtained in a sustainable way then that is a possibility. What energy sources are used may depend upon the location of the sanctuary. Central Australia would have no trouble getting enough solar energy, Iceland and New Zealand may have enough geothermal and wind energy. Another important source could be micro-generation, for example just walking over the floors or using exercize machines could generate additional energy.

    Thank you for your good wishes. Georgina

    Dear Georgina,

    Thanks for your kind replies, in particular for answering my question on nuclear energy.

    I had also answered to your question in my Essay page.

    Cheers,

    Ch.

    Hi Georgina,

    So far this is the most interesting essay that I have come across so far.

    With lots of scientific detail and examples. I am still a fan of Isaac Asimov, and am still waiting for the a 3D video epic production of the Foundation Trilogy.

    I would have liked the man who died on the surface, to have asked God "what took you so long". I find your vision of the future rather grim.... and very interesting.

    It is great to be with you in another FQXI.org contest,

    Don Limuti

      Savory Institute

      Quote:"The Savory Institute has compiled and curated a portfolio of peer reviewed papers, articles, white papers and case study that represents the scientific and ground-truthed evidence basis of our work.We work in collaboration with organizations, scientists, and academic institutions to collect and conduct research that will increase our understanding of how properly managed livestock in the grasslands of the world contribute to removing carbon from the atmosphere and addressing problems such as drought, poverty, hunger and social violence."

      " It is actually the way humans manage livestock that is the culprit. This fundamental shift in thinking must happen to drive needed policy and market shifts."

      Talking Points Regarding Savory

      "1. Statements that Savory's work isn't supported in the academic peer-reviewed literature, or that it has been discredited in the academic literature are categorically wrong.

      2. There is abundant empirical evidence of its efficacy

      3. The climate crisis is much worse than is commonly realized and efforts of atmospheric carbon capture must become a worldwide priority."

      Thanks for clarifying, Georgina.

      I hope you will have a change to rate my Essay too.

      Cheers,

      Ch.

      Hi Don,

      thank you so much for reading my essay and for your kind comments.As instructed, I tried to make it an optimistic tale, of how large numbers of humans can survive with quality of life and purpose. As you have realised it is set in a background of widespread climate devastation, which may be inevitable.

      Foundation trilogy mini series I don't know if this is good or bad news.

      Best wishes, Georgina

      Georgina,

      Time grows short, so it's time for revisiting and rating.

      Jim

      Hi Gbenga,

      thank you very much for reading my essay and for your kind comments.

      I will read your essay.

      Thanks for the frank explanation, Georgina. And thanks again for reviewing my own essay. I'll be rating yours (along with the others on my review list) some time between now and May 30. All the best, and bye for now, - Mike

      Evolution is a process of adaptation and given enough time and raw materials will eventually produce a fully evolved, perfectly adapted life form, which particular fully evolved, perfectly adopted life form will be evidenced by the facts that it will be able to live - indeed thrive - anywhere, anytime, under any circumstances - or relocate or terra form to suit, doing so, moreover, WITHOUT CAUSING ANY WASTE, LOSS OR DAMAGE TO EITHER ITSELF OR IT SURROUNDS, ANIMATE & INANIMATE ALIKE.

      Until the rise of patriarchy we were well on our way to this most exalted of existential planes.

      All we have to do to get back on that path is dismantle patriarchy.

      We don't have to re-invent high-tech gizmos to help us become healthy, happy human beings.

      If we don't dismantle patriarchy & re-centralise women, we'll most assuredly & very shortly, plunge into the abyss of omnicidal oblivion, & nature will just keep on adapting away until another fully evolved, perfectly adapted life form emerges once again.

      Dear Georgina,

      Interesting essay as your yearly postings. and your comments seen each thread are really the second abstract ;) I do believe you always uplift this community with your emotion and talent.

      Wish you good luck,

      Ryoji

        Dear Georgina,

        Charming essay, very good literary style, bright and important ideas, met-biology

        at its peak. I understand it as Symbiosis is the magic spell

        Grateful for the opportunity to read such a fine writing.Making a bit of 'mea culpa' for my dry pragmatism.

        Peter

        Hi Ryogi,

        Thank you very much for your kind comments. I really should have done a better job with my abstract. It is fortunate that we have the opportunity to explain what we have written and why in these comment pages. I don't think I have read your essay yet, I will take a look, Georgina

        Hi Peter,

        thank you so much for reading my essay and leaving such nice comments.It's uplifting getting such positive feedback. I am glad you liked it.

        Regards Georgina

        PS. Dry pragmatism or not I will have to take a look now : )

        Dear Georgina,

        What I can state with certaint, your essay has the brightest title, is at peak level IQ. Grace is a wonderful idea and person, in part your alter-ego, in part humanity. As I told, this contest is about finding smart solution for an essentially insoluble problem; this situation generates kind of convergence and

        Physics (the majority here), Biology (your opus as example) Psychology (many agin)

        and Technology (my essay for example) will lead to a target, not totally understood using methods worked out only in part.

        Re my essay if you will have the patience to read it: my ideas are far from being popular; thinking via the negative (but NOT negative thinking!) looks like an Achlles' Heel) However it is NOT- have you read Oliver Burkeman's book about Happiness? I am referring in my essay to a greater collective well being.

        Warmest greetings- I wish my granddaughters should be like you!

        Peter