Dear Gibbs,

I found your essay much absorbing. It held my interest through out.

I have attempted to rate you accordingly to keep the pace of your leadership but the system has not justified that. I am contacting the FQXI to resolve.

I want you to read my article STRIKING A BALANCE BETWEEN TECHNOLOGY AND ECOSYSTEM on this link http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/2020

I have a model that is similar with your ideology. I expect your comment and rating at the end.

Wishing you the very best in this competition.

Regards

Gbenga

Philip,

Open Peer Review with Business Incubator

I support your essay strongly, with the additional requirement of "qualified" peer reviewers in diverse fields of expertise.

I have written to an NSF program called Synergy and provided a whitepaper to test their interest in funding a cloud based tool. The social networking tool would be available to everyone to create broad enterprise based upon individual concepts being developed in a public forum.

"If you are going to listen, do something." ~Thomas Dunn

Hi Philip,

At first I though, is this really that important for steering the future.

On second thought ... Yes it is very important. Open peer review can help with the problem of being locked into what we know for certain (peer reviewed) that just isn't so.

I am reminded of the recent Nobel Prize speech in physics where the recipient encouraged that physicists should publicly agree on string theory when in private they are not sure about string theory. This strikes me as an unethical way to enhance the public image of physics and physicists and enhances the propagation of what isn't so.

Thanks for your essay.

Don Limuti

Hi Philip,

Your position is clearly stated, and you argue for it in detail. One concern, however, is

whether implementation of knowledge isn't a bigger problem than defects in the process of acquisition of new knowledge. At the end of the third paragraph, you state, "We have the intellectual capacity to figure these things out and steer the right course, yet we fail." Very true. But isn't the greater problem at the stage of steering rather than at the stage of figuring things out? Georgina Parry suggests this in the exchange with you on May 1. I think Sabine Hossenfelder in her essay especially emphasizes that deficiencies in implementation are at the present time more serious than problems with the acquisition of knowledge. Surely you have identified an important problem, but there might be even more serious problems at other places in the many processes of acquiring, distributing, and utilizing knowledge.

Laurence Hitterdale

    Eckart wrote: "Does global warming really deserve much more attention than poisoning the environment with radioactive and other waste?"

    As I have written elsewhere, Global Warming is the least of our problems. See also The Politics and Ethics of the Hall Weather Machine . I'll go even farther here and claim that nanotechnology, in the form of advanced medical nanobots, will make radiation and chemical poisoning equally irrelevant in the lifetime of some readers.

    That is generally a good thing, but if humanity has the power to easily solve global warming (while significantly increasing the standard of living for everyone on this planet), that kind of power can also cause some major damage.

    Because of that possible abuse of power, we must become a multi-world species (one of the imperatives that I covered briefly in my essay Three Crucial Technologies ).

    Eckart also wrote: "Agreeing with outsiders like Nobel and Shannon rather than Einstein and Bourbaki".

    That perception is new to me. Google results are:

    "Outsiders"

    Alfred Nobel: 4,830,000 hits

    Claude Shannon 1,720,000 hits

    "Insiders"

    Albert Einstein 119,000,000 hits (Ok, he's an insider :-) )

    Nicolas Bourbaki 802,000 hits (as far as the internet is concerned, that collective is noise)

    And for some humbling perspective on how important science and math are in the eyes of the world:

    Beatles 356,000,000 hits

    Lady Gaga 230,000,000 hits

    Dear Philip,

    Thanks for submitting your well-written, and well-thought-out essay. I especially appreciated your list of biases. Have you ever considered coding any of these biases or other logical fallacies into RDF/OWL? My hope is that such a system would detect articles with excessive bias and logical error (and save me the trouble of reading them). The Semantic Web will help enhance our thinking (and reduce our biases) in other areas (e.g. law, medicine), not just scientific discovery, is one of the Three Crucial Technologies ) that I mention in my essay (feel free to critique it).

    I do wonder if the "IKEA effect" has more to it than just bias. As Richard Feynman said, "What I cannot create, I do not understand." OK, IKEA uses low-strength particle board instead of wood, but their design engineering and supply chain methods are fantastic.

    You say that we are illogical because of bias, but then you don't ask the next question. What is the evolutionary advantage of bias in thought? Maybe I should leave it as an exercise for the reader, but the short answer is, "Because for a large enough percentage of the time, it works." Those of our ancestors who did not employ bias in their reason died before they could become our ancestors.

    I understand that the current publishing system could use some improvement, and I appreciate your hard work in establishing a more open publishing venue. But, not being an academic (and most of the world are not academics) I'm not sure that it really matters. People who reify scientific ideas into products (like Steve Jobs), or people who incentivize (or disincentivize) socially beneficial work (like the governments who make the laws of a democratic capitalist country) matter a lot more than we do. And while it is humbling for us scientists and engineers, it turns out that most discoveries usually pop up in more than once place near the same time. We really don't matter that much. :-(

    You mentioned the importance and desirability of "carefully considered logic." Well, yes, and I do call for it in my essay, but we must remember that logic has it's limits (as proven by Godel, and recognized by anyone who has done any work with Descriptive Logics that do inferences over Semantic Web data. The upshot is that knowledge is not enough. Even wisdom may not be enough, if you don't have the advanced nanotechnology needed to feed the hungry (and heal the obese) without overloading our ecosystem. And even advanced nanotechnology can't save us from large K/T asteroids, nuclear war, and the like--for that we need a space-faring civilization.

    Fixing the peer review of today's journal publishing system would be a good thing, but it won't save the world.

      Laurence. I think the key to the implementation is getting the peer-review right. Peer-review is not part of the stage of "figuring things out" It is the stage between figuring things out and implementing the right solutions. If the peer-review is done right and is clear and open enough to convince people that it is right, then the implementation will follow. Of course none of the stages are easy and all could do with some attention, but my point is that the peer-review is the one that is being done most wrong and is the one in most need of a rethink.

      @Laurence

      "...defects in the process of acquisition of new knowledge" "ephasizes that deficiencies in implementation are at the present time more serious than problems with the acquisition of knowledge"

      So perhaps broad development in skills related to Common Sense coupled with an Open Peer Review forum with related Business Incubation may be a stronger solution.

      Common Sense = Self-esteem (shared social group skills) logic predicting consequences

      The skills of predicting consequences within the complexities of skills shared by a social group (physicists for instance) seems to be an act of developing new relationships to support new applications.

      Open Peer Review with Business Incubation has the potential of creating new sustainable outcomes.

      I completely agree that the time has come for open peer review, Philip. The system we have is ridiculous and counterproductive. I do wonder whether some expert curation is important to make sure the best papers emerge from the general noise, but I largely agree with everything you say.

      While I think open peer review is an excellent idea, I'm not sure it's enough to save the world. It would certainly help, for example, if we understood the global climate better than we do. But I don't think better science will convince climate change deniers that we need to take more action. I'm afraid that our hardest problems may not be scientific, but political; that they may be driven by conflict over ends and interests that scientific research alone cannot resolve.

      Best,

      Rober de Neufville

      Robert de Neufville

        @Tihamer @Robert @Philip

        Would you like to collaborate on implementing an Actual system, and not just engage in mental exercise? These essay submissions are unimportant unless acted upon.

        From my perspective, you each are talking about different parts of the same system.

        1) broad and diverse open forum limited to unrestricted research

        2) software automation to make phases of development obvious and provide supporting tools to grow each phase of development

        3) motivational structures built into the system to drive development into implementation

        4) crowd-sourcing tools made available to fund phases of development. This is especially interesting because then after seeding an NSF proposal it can evolve in parallel diverse directions to seed other developments not ever first considered in the original NSF proposal. So NSF would become a one of the many crowd-sourcing funding agencies.

        5) Training tools for skills can be made available to everyone to acquire social group related skills. Where each development project that evolves within the open peer review forum involves diverse specialties. To share communication skills with the group each person will need to familiarize themselves with the jargon and rudimentary relationships that are common to each participant. These related skills can be made available via online courses (many of which are currently free).

        6) A system of equitable participation is developed to track the total involvement and contributions of each peer development group that evolves from the open peer review group. In this way when monetary gains occur, each person can be equitably be compensated.

        7) .........

        http://jamesbdunn2.blogspot.com/2014/05/open-peer-review-to-support-synergy-of.html

        I can go on, but I hope this is enough information to create a perspective of an open online tool where open peer review transitions into open peer development.

        Tihamer's concepts for supporting his three points of steering the future involved rhetoric (the expert use of language) to define perspectives of commonly relatable situations that resulted in:

        1. Develop physical tools that give atomically precise control over bulk matter,

        2. Multiply the size, diversity, and hardiness of Earth's biosphere (by transplanting it elsewhere),

        3. Develop tools that help us think better.

        I myself have attempted to do mind mappings for all of these. I'm guessing I'm not unique. So why aren't we doing something about it together?

        Robert, you seem to be relating how a person's political connections and influences (i.e. perspectives and relationships) drive the support systems for any development. Political tools are built in applying the same structural foundations but different environment of applications for common sense.

        Common Sense = Self-esteem (sharing of social group skills) logic predicting consequences

        So politics is based in understanding and applying emotional skills logically connected to social skills, to manipulate broad systems of human efforts toward a desired set of outcomes.

        Nothing we know is absolute, except for one thing; "Something Exists". Everything else is built from relative systems of perspectives and supporting relationships. We cannot see or perceive everything relative to a perspective, so sometimes other unseen influences become dominant and our perspective no longer is completely valid.

        I challenge you to find one perspective other than "Something Exists" that is Absolutely True always in every time frame and every dimensional consideration. If you do, then you have found a characteristic of quantum causality.

        Our brains live in what others outside this forum would consider an illusion. We use repeatable observations that result from identified consequences that provide a higher probability of success than random. Bias is based in broad perceived likelihood for success relative to the total systems of involved with a consideration.

        So no two people are going to share the same biases.

        The Open Peer Review process inclusive of other areas is important.

        Expertise in one area of consideration can be almost completely unrelated to another perspective being considered.

        Open Peer Review that causes people of like interests to mutually develop common skills to share in a development has the potential to drive broad economic developments, that fund ever growing numbers of significant developments that we currently cannot fund with our present system of peer review.

        What do you think? Productive collaboration?

        You can contact me at the below url so you do not expose your email address to spam harvesters.

        http://www.ua-kits.com/frontpage/index.php/contact-us/

          Oh, I inadvertently repeated myself - and thanks for answering my original statement of the same issues (more elaborately here, but no big deal.) Keep up the good work.

          James, I'm glad you are thinking about how to implement this. One reason why I have not tried to do anything like this myself is that to succeed any project needs the backing of academics. Otherwise you will not get the right people to do the peer-review for the reasons I mentioned in the essay. Everyone's opinion should count but most research is still done withing the professional academic world and they need to be behind it. I dont want to invest my time and effort in something unless I know there is good backing.

          Things are slow. http://episciences.org/ looked good a year ago and still could work but I don't know why progress on that has been so slow. There is also open peer-review opening up at http://www.researchgate.net/ but I think they will be vulnerable to take over like Mendeley was. http://www.philica.com/ was a nice try but they were not open to outsiders and did not have the backing from the insiders.

          The new one that I like a lot now is http://www.openscholar.org.uk/ That is the one to get behind right now. They have all the right ideas and attitudes.

          Hi Philip,

          I love your article and gave it the "10" it deserves. You've brought a lot of vital concepts to the fore, and I hope that you win the contest because of it. I hope that open peer review becomes standard practice someday, for so many reasons, and because it really could save the world. All the best!

          Warmly,

          Aaron

          Dear Philip

          Your essay is well written and organized. Your topic is well developed and controversial. Overall, I agree with some of parts of your essay, I just would like to express a couple of disagreements.

          First, I do not think changing the peer-review process is an important factor that will steer the future. High quality research will always prevail over bad quality research no matter what judging process we adopt. Bias and subjective opinions are intrinsic human characteristics that cannot be eliminated. We see this everywhere.

          Second, I think that the present peer-review system is the most solid. Science has a reputation gained over some centuries and it will not jeopardize it by changing its peer-review process. Your proposal, specially principle 3) will reduce the quality of research. And we see this in your repository. On average the quality of research published in vixra is inferior when compared to that one published in arxiv. Arxiv's policies (such as endorsement) guarantee a minimum of quality in research because most people are experts in their fields. Manuscripts that do not meet the minimum quality standards should be rejected. By contrast, in vixra, one can find many articles with very poor quality. In my opinion this is the reason vixra is not well seen in the academy. This is something I regret you do not discuss in your essay.

          Likewise, traditional journals vs open-access journals. The average quality of research published in traditional journals is far superior than that one published in open-access journals where as long as you pay the publication fee, your manuscript will be published even without a peer-review process. In my opinion open-access journals has gained a negative reputation due to their unethical practices. If these practices continue, my prediction is that they will all disappear by the end of the decade.

          Also regarding your third principle, if I do research in a field, I would like to be criticized by someone who knows about that topic but not by a layman who doesn't know the rudiments. Just in the same way, I would not criticize a musician for playing an instrument that I do not even know how to play. One can only criticize something if one has enough knowledge about it.

          Exams are filters to select the best for a given activity. It is not a method of suppression. What you call suppression, I would call it filtering in favor of higher quality in research.

          You: Wikipedia is a good example of a system that allows anyone to contribute.

          I wish this were true...

          Anyway. I would like to take this opportunity to invite you to read and comment on my thread.

          Best Regards

          Israel

            I think the best way to favour expertise in the reviews is to weight peoples opinions according to how well they themselves score in their own work on similar subjects. It should be a bit like the Google ranking system. Making that work well is difficult but picking experts by hand introduces unwanted bias into the system and should be avoided.

            I have not thought about coding biases into RDF/OWL. It is an intriguing idea.

            People studying the effect of cognitive bias in finance have looked at why it happens and when it can be an advantage. the answers are complicated and I am no expert, but in part it is just simpler to think that way. It may have evolved before we had the ability to perform more logical thinking. Sometimes it does work out OK, but often it does not. A lot of money has been lost by banks due to bad bias and the effect on the impact of science is liekly to be similar.

            I disagree that academics matter less than businessmen. Businesses have short term goals to make money. Academic research aims to solve longterm problems for the common good. Big pharam do not do much research into new antibiotics because it is not cost effective. Finding cures for rare diseases does not make money. More money is made by finding tablets that alleviate hay fever and dandruff and they make even more money if they just treat the symptoms temporarily rather than curing it. Businesses are good at improving technology once the basic principles are known. Academics are needed to make the important breakthroughs.

            High quality research will always prevail in the longterm, but sometimes it takes longer to form the concensus that it should. For issues affecting our future time is critical. This is why the peer-review system has to be more efficient and reliable. It is no good discovering that a drug does not work after it has been sold to millions of people. Peer-review in medicine is particularly bad. Bias and subjective reason can be much improved by good opne peer-review.

            I think you have missed the point about how viXra works and the principles it uses. This essay was not about viXra and you can read more on the viXra site, e.g. in the info link and FAQ. Nobody denies that viXra has some low quality material. viXra does not decide what should be rejected. It just decides that nothing should be hidden by people who might be biased. Acceptance is a matter for peer-review and that is done outside viXra.

            Not all open-access journals accept only for a fee. there are some bad open-access journals and there are some bad paywalled ones too. the way the current system works is that people gte to know the journal rankings and judge papers on that basis. This is a very crude system and part of the point of open peer-review is to make that better.

            I am obviously not saying that peer-review that is done by non-experts is as good. The point is that anyone should be able to have a say. Sometimes the establishment opinion is biased and has to be corrected. Your example of a musical instrument is an interesting one. I think that people who do cannot play musical instruments are often very good at judging the quality of a player. Sometimes the experts who can themselves play are too focused on technical ability whereas the non-expert just listens to how good it sounds. People dont play instruments just to please their peers. For the same reason a jury ina criminal trial is chosen from laypeople, while expert lawyers explain to them the law. Academic research is not quite the same but it is still the case that outsiders can play an important part in the judgment as well as the research.

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            Philip,

            It seems a lot of these entries are about method. Peer review, voting, enhancing education, frame of mind, framing the question etc. A lot also take a very science oriented and futuristic perspective. My problem with all this is that it doesn't necessarily deal directly with the actual issues involved, for the very basic reason that the real problems facing us do elicit a great deal of emotion, we all have varying points of view on many of them and there is no objective perspective to which we have access. The fact is that when we do try to materially change complex situations, the result isn't necessarily better, both because there are no clear objectives and often various people are working more for their own good, than the larger community. As W.B. Yeats put it, "The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity."

            Now I am an avid reader of the news and commentary for many years and I do feel a pressing issue about how the world is run, is that in order for a functioning economy to work, it needs a fairly neutral medium of exchange, a monetary playing field, so to speak, yet what we have is one which functions are the major player in the economy, to the extent that the primary economic function has now become to produce these units of exchange. The function of capitalism has become to produce capital. As it serves to pull this notational value out of every possible source, it creates a siphon effect, that must further extract real value out of all aspects of life, from social and civil relations, to the environment.

            My argument is that while we have come to think of money as a commodity, it is in fact a contract and if we were to begin to understand it in this context, it would change the essential economic paradigm.

            For one thing, if people realized they no more owned those pieces of paper in their pockets, then they owned the section of road they happened to be traveling on, there would be much less incentive to draw value out of society and the environment, in order to acquire these notational promises. Such that then we would begin to see society and the environment as legitimate stores of value and not just as resources to be mined. Then people wouldn't need to save as much for needs such as elder and youth care, primary education and many of those other needs which historically were social functions in the first place. Even forms of local currencies could grow around many of these needs and keep the value within the community and not have it skimmed off by international banks.

            With the current financial system, risk is public and reward is privatized, yet the greed of those managing this system is serving to rapidly cook their own golden goose. As I see it, this will open up a significant opportunity for change, given that the solution to all the prior breakdowns in the system, with the government creating ever looser credit and buying the debt to do so, will eventually create a mess too big to paper over.

            So this presents both goal and opportunity. How would you judge it as a method for steering humanity, in your peer review system?

            Regards,

            John Merryman

              Causally, everything is a set of interconnected systems of perspectives that are formed from interrelated relationships. So nothing is an isolated perspective, they tend to bleed together and overlap. Especially when "choosing" to isolate some usually non-dominant influences to make the perspective easier to monitor and manipulate.

              I do not believe Phil's cited relationships will guide humanity into the future solely on their own merits. But I think they are important as part of a larger effort.

              For all of the essays here, none of them are sufficient on their own to guide the future of humanity. However, "collectively" I see where many of the concepts can be fit together to form a larger actionable effort that indeed could guide the future of humanity relative to broad technological developments.