Black Sky Thinking by Orenda Urbano Hernández

Dear Orenda,

Please forgive me if you thought I was being too critical of your first essay to this site. It was a fine essay. I merely wanted to point out to you that understanding reality is far more important than learning what dead men like Einstein or Newton might have thought of their abstract universes.

Respectfully,

Joe Fisher

Orenda,

You have a few concepts I would like to discuss regarding commercializing.

Please contact me at:

http://www.ua-kits.com/frontpage/index.php/contact-us/

I will provide you with my email in this way to help limit spam engines from harvesting my email address from these pages.

James Dunn

Orenda,

I don't agree with dominant centralized values in a global context. Depending upon the social group there may be some shared values, but the dominance of these values are not universal.

An assembly line worker needs certain qualities to be happy in their workplace. A traffic policeman shares many of the traits needed by assembly line workers, due to the repetitive nature of their job. People who do not share the a joy in doing repetitive tasking should not hold related positions. They should instead have opportunities to become a Detective or some other position where repetition does not occur as often.

People need to be diverse and categorized so that opportunities can be fit to and made available to them; along with the related training.

Values are systems of relationships and perspectives that support a system of outcomes. The feedback of opportunities reinforces those values. If everyone has the same values, there won't be enough opportunities to support those values and this is where corruption lives.

Physics is the abstraction of mathematics to represent cosmology. Corruption lives in the manipulation of the availability of opportunities. The super-collider gets funding and support personnel because of influence of perceived value. Even though not one useful product has been produced from manipulating subatomic particles other than neutron, proton, electron, and photon. So in useful terms, being able to manipulate perceived values is of great importance for the research of physics; and everything else in competition with physics.

I look forward to discussing how aspects of your proposal can be commercialized. I know elsewhere the author of Open Peer Review pushes for transparency, but this blatantly would be negligent business practice.

Dear Orenda,

I read your essay deep with great interest. This program of action. For me it is important that the foundation of your Conception - the philosophy Teilhard de Chardin and Leo Tolstoy. For me also it is very important your saying: «I am optimistic because we have the freedom of choice to be hardwired into negative thinking or taking positive actions. This is an idea so far.»... Freedom is one of the main concepts. For me: "Freedom is the recognition of necessity.» (Hegel)

Your Conception - it is a good basis for further in-depth "brainstorming." Obviously, it is necessary to make more concepts of the "LifeWorld" (E.Husserl), poetics, that it was closer to the common people, the inhabitants of the spaceship called "Earth". It is also possible to interpret the concept of "matrix" as a "source", "generating source." Today it is obvious that the Scientific picture of the world should be the same rich sense of "LifeWorld" as the picture of the world of lyricists. A special role should be in education. Nurturing creative personality, and not the future of "professionals", is the main task of education, especially school.

We, together with the new Generation should hear every hour, every minute, every second the Voice of the Earth. New Generation tells us: "We start the path "... «Hope - our compass earth»...

With interest pleasure studying your site. Thank FQXi that brings together people for "brainstorming" on very important topics of modern Humanity!.

I invite you to my forum and my essay FQXi Essay 2012-2013.

I wish you good luck!

All the Best,

Vladimir

Orenda,

Black Sky Thinking, of course, is not fantasy, but your poetic depiction makes it sound so. Considering the present global situation, it will take such an effort to bring the change that is needed. I do not describe my suggested changes as Black Sky Thinking but the vision is the same. My "thinking beyond" involves thinking beyond the confines of our solar system. My thinking within is the microcosm of the universe we call our brain.

Your essay is poetic and metaphorical. Such is needed to inspire the changes needed to bring about a viable future.

Good job.

Jim

dear orenda

Fantanstic work,A literal waltz into beautiful solitude,very nice charts.A positive mindset that we should adopt.also take your time to rate /review my essay wherein i address Cosmic physical realities that can serve as guidelines to achieve that plus some secrets of the universe.its tititled LIVING IN THE SHADOWS OF THE SUN: REALITIES, PERILS ESCAPADES MAN, PLANET AND KARDASHEV SCALE.MAKING THE GREAT TRANSITION by Michael muteru you can use the weblink, http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/2101.thanks all the best

Dear Vladimir,

I appreciate your kind words toward my essay, I effort too much on minimizing it as all people here. It is amazing when one sparkle of light from the matrix appears how immense is the light of all the good readings, experiences and most important of all human interactions that were positive emerge like a field.

Definitely I am very focused in a program of action and basis fundaments to direct the living energy toward constructive, structured-flexible-adaptable fields of reality and reasonable use of cosmos. My name is Orenda and means vital energy I want to be congruent to my name with my actions.

It is very important to read that you share a positive view with great minds in their constructive and positive eagerness and actions. The fundament of freedom is the recognition of necessity as you say but we may also focus on positive ways to achieve the goal to overcome this necessity. As Buckminster Fuller created an intangible field and left basis to provide positive-intelligent-solutions, I am confident we may continue this track with our intellectual, emotional and spiritual tools.

As you say: ". It is also possible to interpret the concept of "matrix" as a "source", "generating source". This is possible but we may extend our vision beyond what we were told and listen to inner world. Teilhard de Chardin's work I founded it in a Theosophy book but he transformed the information as science information. The Theosophy book has in its front: "there is no religion superior to truth" ("Ancient Wisdom" from Annie Besant, Spanish version, 3rd edition, Edit. EISA ) in this book you will discover to Teilhard de Chardin. He was both things: spiritual and scientist. Robert Oppenheimer learned Sanskrit in 1933 and read the Bhagavad-gita in the original, citing it later as one of the most influential books to shape his philosophy of life, stating that "The Vedas are the greatest privilege of this century."

You are absolutely correct that I need to invest in more concepts of "LifeWorld", I am working on that already. Science is the human understanding of how cosmos functions, we are not creating cosmos with science. If we are going to manufacture the cybernetics of cosmos it is vital that the intelligence and spirit of such artist may be focused in higher, polished and intelligent fields of cosmos. Knowledge per se is like matter, it depends in the artist how it is going to be used.

I apologise for not being able to understand Russian, I only know some words on Czech (my brother learned in 4 months to speak basic Czech). Maybe if there exist an English version for this lyrics (http://lyricstranslate.com/ ) that sound very harmonic. There is science in poetry and vice versa: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaNGDrKKasA

You saw my essay with depth because that is what resides in you, we are unable to see what is not in us. Your powerful words will inspire the days to come: "We, together with the new Generation should hear every hour, every minute, every second the Voice of the Earth. New Generation tells us: "We start the path "... «Hope - our compass earth»..."

I appreciate your kind, generous and enthusiastic invitation to participate in your forum, I am delighted to do so. I wish you are always closer to truth or directing yourself to it.

Dekuji,

Orenda

Dear Orenda.

Thank you very much for your kind and deep words, for inspiring me your answer. Thank you very much for the links. Music, voice and words are gorgeous! They say that Poetry and Science must create eidos of Universe that inspires people, gives new Knowledge and calls for deep search for truth. Thank you for your enthusiasm and your efforts for a better future for all Humanity!

I'm waiting for you to look at my forum!

Le deseo buena suerte!

Todo lo mejor,

Vladimir

Orenda,

In some ways this is the most realistic essay here. A plan to form a committee that will form a committee that will plan to ask a question is sadly the way government works. Most of the time governments wait for someone to find an answer and then take the credit. I do feel this is more of a poster than an essay. This does not mean that the ideas are poor, but this does not have the style and flow of an essay. This also makes giving this a rating is difficult. Should I grade this as an essay, a plan or a powerpoint pitch?

All the best,

Jeff

Orenda,

"To be able to do so we may first realize we are the universe and the universe is in us"

We are absolutely "stardust" and should mimic the life and death of stars: My contention in "Looking Beyond and Within for Steering our Future."

I would like to see your comments on my essay.

Jim

Orenda,

An original approach, and I recognised some key aspects of my own version of 'black sky thinking' which involves escaping our Earth centric 'blue sky is up' bounds. There is no 'up' in space so the 'black sky' is also beyond our feet.

Having negotiated a rather directionless stream of words (shortening 'black sky thinking' to BST would have helped!) things improved when we got to the practical and organisational applications. Personally I'd have liked more solid action and directions, but I do take an unusually direct pro-active view. For example I like the following but will tell you how I extend them;

"...strive to implement ..innovative strategies that will revolutionize the effectiveness and accuracy of technology."

"provide assertive, viable and self-explained solutions in an appropriate timing accessible to different levels of human kind understanding."

"The expansion of human knowledge, intervention and activities in the universe" ... "decoding the different expressions of reality."

I point out in my essay that we're going 'NOWHERE FAST' all the time we keep our divided understandings of nature (Quantum v Classical) which are incompatible. All the above means we must let go and study other models for a better one. I then, shockingly, present one that WORKS! giving logical and comprehensible QM via a classical mechanism. You don't need to understand the present spooky nonsense to see how it's removed. The WHOLE of science gets a quantum leap.

"Re-engineering educational models to shortage the time-space- waste of human capital to obtain maximized results, orientated to have an efficient use of the universe. Reduce the time-space investment of human capital in waste, irrelevant and negative information. "

Absolutely right. And also WRONG information! We need to EDUCATE for BSF to escape doctrine and parochial belief based thinking. I send Bob and Alice off into a black sky environment to show what it can do to free thinking.

Some don't seem to see the point or value of BST, or the results in my essay. I suspect you will, but do let me know (and do score it - it needs the points!) Well done for yours. It's an interesting project with good potential. If you agree it needs to be more tangible I could perhaps help if you wish.

Best of luck.

Peter

Dear Peter,

It is fascinating that as Human beings we eager to provide fields of development for all Human Kind instead of an ego centered solution. The Black Sky Thinking I developed is not trying to escape from Earth but to transform it into a an intelligent spiral of continuous communication with cosmos based on this: http://www.social-consciousness.com/2013/01/physicists-find-evidence-that-universe-is-conscious.html?m=1in The key point to make this feasible is to do it through Human Kind that in terms of Theosophy are capble of the "Verb" or in term of physics we are the source of autodirected "action". Black Sky Thinking will provide blue prints that will modify the way how the humanity actions will transform the cosmos (because that is already happening).

There is no directionless but the inclusion of expanded terms, our society is used to reduce the thinking to specific terms and we were taught to consider them as reliable but cosmos is a consecutive stream of happenings. I am seriously considering your suggestion of shortening the terms, I appreciate your kind suggestion.

The actions and directions of BST are definitely based in innovative technologies but based in the Immanent nature of cosmos. The basis of BST are laws based on genetic evolution, holographic world, wereable computing, big data, etc... All this will provide basis to determine the real timing of human kind evolution and based on this the systems that can provide a realistic, on time and intelligent solution of Human Kind Evolution. BST is knowledge, philosophy and intelligence taking assertive, on time and effective ACTION.

The puzzle that you point of nature fields that you consider incompatible (Quantum vs Classical) are correlated because is necessary the Quantum in order to get to the Classical. In this case I find that applies the explanation of the Cerejidos:

"Each hierarchical level was new once and emerged as the product of the interaction between the levels already existing and the environment, which also includes other individuals and other species. The new levels are less restrictive than the lower and therefore have greater scope for error and creativity. At this stage, the upper and newer seems to be intellectual one. The thought is threaded by the notion of time; why we include a description of the most fashionable models, those with whom psychoanalysis is to understand the structure and mode of operation of the psychic apparatus. " (book: El tiempo, la vida y la muerte).

If the universe can successfully, functional and effectively sheathe so diverse fields or dimensions, we may have an inherent capability to comprehend and use this through the higher levels of evolvement in cosmos: intellectual and spiritual. So in this case we share a vision in this and you developed the know how in your project.

I am intrigued to read how Bob and Alice will show how to free thinking. I think that is an inner work and most of all an inner desire tattooed in the DNA, but as you say that can also be inspired in people. I will for sure score your work and I am always interested in people with revolutionary and EFFECTIVE, ASSERTIVE and HUMANISTICAL THINKING. The BST I have developed it is focused on transforming into tangible through technology the intangible world.

Wish you good luck in the achievement of turning into reality your solutions and helping Human Kind to experience the happiness of being assertive, effective and useful in this reality.

Best wishes,

Orenda Urbano Hernández

I read your essay with great interest and wish to read it again and give you a more detailed feedback. I admire that your solution is a new way of thinking and understanding of the Universe. Your find quote "The land will be as the men are" can be easily link with the more general principle of Hermes Trismegistus "That which is up is that which is down. That which is down is that which is up". I success of humanity involves great changes in our perception upon the Universe. I also admire the practical point in the Black Sky Thinking project meaning the list of needed specialists for economics, science and so on. To summarize your essay has a philosophical and a practical aspect both clear in its meaning.

Best of luck on the competition and I hope to continue our correspondence

Regards,

Petio

Orenda,

I'm glad we agree on so many basics. Most importantly that nature is really 'one' and the inconsistencies between our classical and quantum descriptions and interpretations are purely due to our poor understanding.

Thank you also for the post on my essay blog, I'm glad you agree the ten axioms. Nobody has challenged them though they challenge current assumptions, but few others have commented. I'm pleased I've now rated your essay and improved your score. I hope you'll remember to do mine if you haven't yet. Very best wishes for the future of BST, of course I do see the BB problem with black and blue!

Peter

Dear Petio,

I will answer you in your forum so you can see the answer.

Thank you.

Orenda