Thank you so much Torsten,

I started to read your book

http://www.maths.ed.ac.uk/~aar/papers/exoticsmooth.pdf

I am also doing mathematical experiments on 3-manifolds

http://magma.maths.usyd.edu.au/magma/handbook/tex

t/742

Another mathematical result of interest

"that every finitely presented group can be realized as the fundamental group of a 4-manifold"

http://mathoverflow.net/questions/30238/constructing-4-manif

olds-with-fundamental-group-with-a-given-presentation

Of course, I just enter your field that I consider a pandora's box.

Best,

Michel

Michel,

A fun but abstruse journey where symbolic characters guide us through the connective maze of math and physics.

"A mathematician is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat that isn't there." Schrodinger's Cat Thought Experiment? You connect math, physics and other disciplines in multiple meanings of PSI, the proposed 20,000 year link of math, graphical embedding and Riemann surfaces -- world sheet.

It seems to be a Rubrik"s Cube of learned references.

Quite clever.

Jim

Dear James,

I happens that scientists like cats. Do you know Arnold's cat?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold%27s_cat_map

It is also always a great pleasure to receive an agreement about a quite technical topic that many people may not be familiar with.

Thanks a lot.

Michel

    Cher Michel,

    What a fun essay! Because I share your interest in primes, modular arithmetic, and sphere packing -- with the attendant mysterious roles of numbers 12 and 24 -- you might be interested in this draft mishmash of research that I hope to develop someday if I live long enough.

    To the current topic, while I agree with your mathematical interpretation of Bell's theorem, I think that adding a time parameter changes the game for physical applications, as explored in my essay here.

    You get my highest mark just for the sheer exuberance of your exposition, and the passion that shines through the symbols.

    All best,

    Tom

    Bonjour Michel,

    Another nice essay from you, although once again I did not understand everything, for lack of mathematical knowledge.

    I also believe that numbers are at the root of everything, if you have time you can take a look at my essay, there are a few intriguing equations in it.

    Et ça fait plaisir de voir d'autres Français sur ce forum !

    A+,

    Patrick

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    Dear Michel,

    Very nice conversation between math and phys. The dialogue is captivating and full of interesting and deep connections. In particular, the connections between dessins d'enfant and Bell inequalities, and the moonshine group, are very intriguing. Good luck in the contest!

    Best wishes,

    Cristi Stoica

    Dear Christinel,

    You are convinced that maths and physics are much related, as in Tegmark's thesis. I suggest you read Leifer's essay and in an another direction the multiverse essay of Laura Mersini-Houghton. As you worked in cosmology and QM, I would be glad to have your view about the multiverse as a possible way to connect these two separate fields. Myself I am quite innnocent on this subject. I am working at this essay by Laura.

    I am also rating your essay now.

    Thanks in advance.

    Michel

    Congratulations Michel,

    Well deserved it is, that you have achieved one of the maxima in contest scoring trends, however fleeting or enduring that may be. I think perhaps it may be that the fact you have made the discussion fun, as well as appropriately mathematical, that makes people regard your work so highly.

    I want you to know that I found it extraordinarily exhilarating, the period of research inspired by our discussions of the Dessins and the Misiurewicz points in M. I have never before found so much sheer elation from explorations in pure Mathematics, but I did relish the experience and must make time for more discussions and explorations.

    I should thank you again for introducing me to Zvonkin, and reminding me to rediscover Peitgen. Also, the Maxima program has been most helpful; and who would have thought it is free? But as it turns out; I have had also the pleasure to meet one of its early developers. So little by little I learn.

    All the Best,

    Jonathan

    Dear Michel Planat,

    I wonder if you could clarify your claim about Bell's inequality on p. 4 of your essay. You state that the sum of expectation values for the spin measurements you have in the diagram lead to the norm 2root(2), but of course one can only calculate an expectation value given the initial state of the pair of qubits. It is most usual to discuss these sorts of experiments done on singlet states, but for the singlet state the sum of expectation values for your experiments will be at most 2, which is within the bounds for a local theory. (This is because in the singlet state there is zero expected correlation between the outcome of x spin on one side and z spin on the other. As you have it written, the sum of expectation values is 0, but you can get 2 by relabeling.) So you evidently have some other state in mind, but you do not specify it.

    This is important because any quantum state violating the inequality must be entangled. No product state will violate the inequality. I'm also not sure what you mean by "the proof of Bell's theorem does not mention entanglement". Bell's own proof, of course, does not mention entanglement, but predictions of violations of the inequality using the quantum formalism do require entangled states. And the derivation of the 2rt(2) bound, which is a property of quantum theory, will certainly require use of entangled states. So what is your comment about entanglement meant to say?

    Any help on understanding what you have in mind here would be appreciated.

    Regards,

    Tim Maudlin

    Dear Tim Maudlin,

    I know from your work that you have a strong acquaintance withh Bell's work (B). I arrived at Bell/CHSH inequality from my investigation of Kochen-Specker theorem for multiple qubits mainly through Mermin' treatise (my ref. [19]). At some stage, I observed that the commutation diagram for a set of four observables involved in the violation of the inequality is just a square/quadrangle.

    Hence my attempt to deepen the subject. My work on KS in dimensions 4, 8 and 16 (two, three and four qubits) is in 1204.4275 (quant-ph) [Eur. Phys. J. Plus 127,86 (2012)] where I also mention a paper of P.K. Aravind on BKS.

    My 2013 FQXi essay [also 1310.4267 (quant-ph)] provides the details you ask for. The inequality in p. 4 of my present essay is that of Peres's book [(6.30, p. 164 of Quantum Theory: Concepts and Methods, Kluwer, 1995]. Replacing the dichotomic variables s_i by the appropriate (i.e. commuting like a square) two-qubit operators (or n-qubit operators) that have dichotomic eigenvalues +/-1) as in Peres, p. 174, the norm of C equals 2v2. With two-qubits, there are 90 distinct squares/violations, some involve entangled pairs of operators, others no (as in my example of Fig. 2a). B or KS is not a matter of entanglement but of contexts (compatible observables) as already recognized by many authors. Here I don't refer to an interpretation of QM but to a strict application of its domain of action.

    Of course on can go ahead and try to discover a realm for squares and other finite geometries relevant for BKS as I started to do in the 2010 FQXi essay and my subsequent work. I have found that the application of Grothendieck's dessins d'enfants is very promising in this respect. I have been quite surprised that stabilizing a particular square from the two-generator index 4 free group is an instance of the smallest moonshine group (p. 5) whose structure amounts to that of the Baby Monster group.

    I hope that it clarifies a bit what I wrote. I am currently working at your own ambitious essay and I intend to give you some comments in the coming days.

    All the best,

    Michel

    Michel,

    I returned to see whom I rated as I tend to rate some and not others. I find that I did yours on 3/26 and I subsequently found your comments.

    The cat map reminds me of machinations of Euler's Identity which I reference in my essay and simulations I used to do in aerospace.

    Jim

    Dear James,

    Can you explain "The cat map reminds me of machinations of Euler's Identity" ? Before I passed to QM I worked a lot on chaos in relation to the understanding of 1/f noise that I finally saw as number theory in experiments. Thanks to you, this year, I realized that Euler's identity has to be kept in mind in relation to the Bloch sphere. As Riemann sphere R is just another representation (a la Felix Klein) of the Bloch sphere, Euler's identity also has a meaning in this context. I just gave a reference on Zivlak's blog. My today favorite objects correspond to three punctures on R or other Riemann surfaces with genus (dessins d'enfants). I spent some time seing them as the molecules of chemistry and biology with moderate success until now (unpublished work).

    Cheers,

    Michel

    Michel,

    Maybe a stretch, but I was thinking of logarithmic spirals: In polar coordinates the logarithmic curve can be written as r = ae^b0. Logarithmic spirals occur everywhere in nature, from sea shells to galaxies, for example.

    The dynamics of Euler's function. Then there are phase portraits of solutions: http://livetoad.org/Courses/Documents/ea8f/Notes/euler_formula.pdf

    Jim

    Dear Michel,

    From Maudlin's subquestion 1) „Which mathematical concepts seem naturally suited to describe features of the physical world, and what does their suitability Imply about the physical world?"

    I suggest three main candidates for the mathematical concept:

    bit (it was the subject of the competition FQXi 2013);

    exp(x) (You know the unique features of this function);

    Euler's identity.

    There are other useful functions, but less importance.

    Suitable use of pervious can to describe features of the physical World.

    What are your main candidates?

    Best Regards,

    Branko Zivlak

    4 days later

    Dear Michel,

    I think Newton was wrong about abstract gravity; Einstein was wrong about abstract space/time, and Hawking was wrong about the explosive capability of NOTHING.

    All I ask is that you give my essay WHY THE REAL UNIVERSE IS NOT MATHEMATICAL a fair reading and that you allow me to answer any objections you may leave in my comment box about it.

    Joe Fisher

      Dear Joe,

      As you already wrote me, and following my post on your blog you were not polite at all, I was prepared to reject your new post as inappropriate. But I would have been obliged to select the number 42 in the list. It turns out that the number 24 is found everywhere in my essay on moonshine and where the number 42 sould live I just did a misprint. Nobody yet detected the mistake but without knowing it you

      arrived very close and gave me the opportunity to write this new post. Thanks.

      Best,

      Michel

      Dear Michel,

      I think that we both have the same goal: to understand quantum mechanics from a geometrical point of view. At the end, our approaches will be converge.

      BTW, there is a new Springer journal Quatum Studies

      (they send me an email). Maybe interesting for you?

      Best

      Torsten

      Dear Torsten,

      Yes: Quantum studies: mathematics and foundations.

      The editor in chief Yakir Aharonow writes in the preface:

      "Finally, there is the approach championed by Dirac and repeated successfully by Feynman and later by Freeman Dyson, namely "playing with equations" as Dirac puts it. This approach sometimes causes equations to reveal their secrets as in the Dirac equation. Dirac took this approach and created results that mathematicians and physicists are still digesting. Feynman, first with the Lagrangian approach to quantum mechanics, the so-called path integral approach, and later with QED and most of the subsequent papers he wrote, operated in this manner. The same could be said of what Dyson did when he "cleaned up "QED into a methodology usable for calculations. Playing with the problems of quantum mechanics often leads to the creation of new mathematics."

      and "Think, reconsider, explore, create deep questions, use paradoxes as a tool for understanding, and finally: publish in this journal!"

      A priori this is a good journal for us. My own essay has quotes from Dirac and Dyson, and implicitely to Feynman that anticipated quantum information theory: "There's Plenty of Room at the Bottom" (in 1959). May be I can submit my Monstrous Quantum Theory and you?

      Best,

      Michel

      Dear Michel,

      Reading your essay is challenging, if one tries to reach beyond the pleasant dialogue effect that makes you a heir of Plato, Galileo, Lewis Caroll, Donald Knuth (Surreal numbers), or even Leslie Lamport [1] for instance, and actually see all these objects you are uncovering.

      As for me, I have no other option than to trust you (as is usually the case in science --perfectly alright), with all these breathtaking connections. And though there is a lot of material I can hardly comprehend, the journey is pleasant.

      So your essay proceeds by example, in the only really convincing manner, by showing new --i.e., unexpected-- occurrences of mathematics at work in uncovering new pieces of physics. (New is important, because once a connection is well known, we get acquainted to it, it vanishes into the background.)

      Aren't these deep connections in fact within mathematics, since we are in a part of physics that is nearly completely mathematical? The concepts of physics we are considering are already extremely developed mathematically, and it is `natural' that they lend themselves to more mathematics (more connections, more structure). Of course, there is some selection to do because there are some experimental results that give some borders, and we naturally keep only the mathematics that speak to these facts.

      Along this line you quote E. Frenkel, an if ``the Nobel prize in physics is really a Nobel prize in maths'', conversely Villani's decisive contribution that won him a Fields medal --Landau damping-- could count as a prize in physics too.

      So, is it an implicit answer that you left to the reader to devise, that physics is by definition mathematical, therefore mathematics has to be efficient (reasonably or not being a matter of appreciation we don't quite have a standard to evaluate)?

      I would like to try an example that (nearly) anyone can grasp: It has been shown that from any position, the Rubik's cube can be taken back to a reference position in 20 moves or less http://www.cube20.org/ (or 26, depending on what counts as a move --alas, not 24!). Given the huge size of the configuration set, its diameter being less than 20 means that the space is very highly connected. It is my best example to convey the shock of this connectivity to the layman. The many `coincidences' that we see, slowly and piece by piece, between mathematical structures initially seen as occurrences of distinct things appear to me in analogy (a sound analogy) with this high connectivity. Each time we are surprised by unexpected coincidences, hints us that we are far, far from seing the whole picture.

      (Even simply when we keep on finding --or being shown-- more relationships between numbers, thus making some which look like nothing special, say 1729, very special indeed, we are in such a situation. In my comment on Wise's essay http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/2494, I have inserted a quotation on Lazare Carnot, to show how difficult it can be to see a structure, when you have not got properly acquainted to it, when you stick too much to initial vantage points. It is again such a simple example, I know of none which can be more convincing.)

      We can also figure out that many, many things now look to us `naturally' the same, because we see groups behind them. The concept of group is so simple, so obvious, that it seems that for long, no one thought it could be of any use to take the pain to state it explicitly (certainly much like the concept of zero). But once it was there in clear, we started recognising it everywhere, with many cross-connections

      So we slowly uncover `miracles', or mere connections. To begin with, we see many scattered, unorganised connections, that we begin to understand better when a structure shows, which links these connections into a whole.

      Again, I cannot help but make the parallel with Bach-y-Rita experiment (see my essay), where from what at the beginning is confuse feelings in the back skin, objects, distinct, moving finally emerge, because their structure has been recognised, built up, abstracted.

      So, congratulations on this moonshine explosion of new objects!

      [1] Leslie Lamport, A simple approach to specifying concurrent systems, Commun. ACM, 32:1, January 1989, pp.聽32--45.

        Dear Micheal,

        I have been very busy with other work. It occurred to me that the dessin d'enfant for the simple y = x^3 is the same as the Dynkin diagram for the SO(8) group. It seems to me that one could easily build such constructions for the heterotic groups or for the sporadic groups with polytope realizations. These are in effect roots with Galois and abstract algebraic content. I was wondering if you had any insight into this.

        Cheers LC