What if there are two arrows of time? We go from past events to future ones, as these events come into being and dissolve, thus going future to past. The arrow being described here is the one for structure, as it coalesces out of initial energy and forms ever more complex structure. Coming into being, but eventually to be destroyed by the final stage of this process.

Witness how galaxies function, as generations of energetic processes, stars etc, get progressively more complex, until the degree of intensity and heat overwhelms them and the final resulting energy is shot out the poles. Meanwhile this process is constantly radiating out energy as waste, in the process of forming this structure and mass. This energy is otherwise observed as radiation and light emitted from the galaxy. So the radiation is the expanding arrow of time from past to future form, while the form is the contracting arrow of time of this form coming into being and dissolving, i.e., going future to past. The past being ordered and thus spatially confined structure, while the future is energy expanding out unmeasured events.

The result being a cosmic convection cycle and explaining why the overall space appears flat, as these two directions are two sides of the same process. The intergalactic space expands, as it is measured as radiation, while the inner galactic space contracts, as it is measured as mass points.

To note, we treat light as a point particle and thus assume only recession can make it redshift, but that is because to detect it, it has to be absorbed by the mass of our detection devices and thus contracts to a point. When on the other hand, by radiating away from a source, it expands out in wave fashion and for our detecters to absorb the necessary quanta, it is shifted down the spectrum.

Which would explain why we appear at the center of this expansion.

The fundamental issue with the arrow of time is that we do not yet have a quantum gravity. Once we have a quantum gravity, both charge and gravity forces will have the same 2D time and that 2D time will point the direction of time.

Microscopic time will still be reversible, but is only one dimension of time. The second dimension is universe time points time's arrow and time's norm.

    6 days later

    arrow of time has only a mathematical existence, there is no physical time in the universe. time has only a mathematical existence

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      If Quantum Gravity is the scale opposite of relative Gravity, large-scale Universe gravity attracts whilst small scale Quantum Gravity repels?..thus Quantum gravity will be isolated as particle numbers reduce, exactly what one finds as a system becomes thermally inactive..ie within Bose-Einstein-Condensates.

      Interestingly time separates along specific thermal equilibrium values? En-tropic States evolve according to which way the second law points, "ORDER" increases as temperature decreases, between any two points in relative space [macro systems} there is but one time. Betwixt any two Quantum systems there is TWO bows :)

      Quantum systems cannot be observed for specific reasons, they reside everywhere except here and now..present time.

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      25 days later

      Reality can only be real. Abstraction can only be abstractly abstract.

      One never has to imagine reality, and the fact that the Foundational Questions Institute is prepared to grant $140,000 to someone capable of soberly informing us that an abstract omelet cannot be reconstituted into abstract fresh eggs, is poignantly hilarious.

      Joe Fisher

      5 days later

      Space-time is the most misguided scientific idea of 20th century

      Results of our research on time prove that "slices of time" cannot exist in the physical universe; they are pure imagination of scientific mind. Space-time cannot be fundamental arena of the universe. The only plausible alternative from our point of view is that we consider fundamental arena of the universe quantum vacuum where time has only a mathematical existence (fundamental time). Measurement of the observer is creating emergent time as duration in which nothing physical can exist. Duration is the consequence of measurement done by the observer. In physics of 21 century we need to abandon idea of time in which change run with idea that change run in quantum vacuum and time is their numerical order. This model is far more adequate with the reality. Changes do not run in time which is merely their numerical order.Attachment #1: Space-time_is_the_most_misguided_scientific_idea_of_20th_century.pdf

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      Physics on the road without exit

      The most disastrous idea of physics of 20th century was that photon can move in an empty space deprived of physical properties. This idea has roots in negative outcome of Michelson-Morley experiment. If this experiment will be repeated more than 20.000 thousands away from the earth it will give positive result, because Earth on its path is moving together with the surrounding ether which we call in today physics "quantum vacuum".Attachment #1: Physics_on_the_road_without_exit.pdf

        Amrit,

        "...because Earth on its path is moving together with the surrounding ether which we call in today physics "quantum vacuum"

        And by what means is this surrounding ether bound to earth so that they can move together? Electrical, magnetic, gravitational or what?

        Akinbo

        a month later

        Exactly.

        For Amrit, it's pretty obvious that we are being transmitted through space. We are energy (just balled up). See Dirac. When he united the special theory of relativity (Lorentz invariance) with QM, he got spin. SR leads to GR (General Relativity) which leads to gravity (curved space time). Hence gravity has something to do with spin. As the universe expands and time slows down, so does spin. At the micro QM view, spin curves space time in a specific direction (as per the axis of spin). At the macro view, gravity is omni-directional because all particles gather together in a swarm.

        It appears that space (or aether or whatever you want to call it) has structure. However, we learn time and time again that our world is bigger than we thought. So perhaps, what we see is only one level in the substrata of energy and its extent in the much bigger universe. Kind of like saying our known universe might be just another exploding system.

        Bill Christie

        15 days later

        On the subject of time and gravity, I go by Bill Unruh`s statement;

        ' .. A more accurate way of summarizing the lessons of General Relativity is that gravity does not cause time to run differently in different places (e.g., faster far from the earth than near it). Gravity is the unequable flow of time from place to place. It is not that there are two separate phenomena, namely gravity and time and that the one, gravity, affects the other. Rather the theory states that the phenomena we usually ascribe to gravity are actually caused by time's flowing unequably from place to place...'

        Time, Gravity, and Quantum Mechanics

        W. G. Unruh

        CIAR Cosmology Program

        Dept. of Physics

        University of B. C.

        Vancouver, Canada V6T 2A6

        arXiv:gr-qc/9312027v2 17 Dec 1993

        16 days later

        As per my attachement I have a new approach to how Time works but as a result I realised that it could be paired with Gravity as a combined force similar to the EMF but with an intriguing consequence with respect to developing a pathway to merging Quantum Gravity to General Relativity.

        Given the Universe is Infinite for the sake of argument then Time be as well and we know Gravity is infinite and is one of the four forces of nature.By looking at Time as an Energy Force and pairing it with Gravity we have the potential for a combined Force of Nature similar to the EMF.

        The Universe has four dimensions, three spatial and one of Time so the four forces of nature are part of the four dimensional picture. Now we have a common denominator which is Time that is both an Energy Force and a universal dimension.

        If so then Time's elementary particle or Timeon must somehow be combined with the Graviton and I allow for many Timeons to share one Graviton within what I call a Timeon Flock (like a Planck scaled wave-function)such that we can now endow each particle within it with their own Position and Time coordinates. By scaling up or down the number of Flocks through increasing or decreasing the gravitational density values, I believe we would allow for the merging of Quantum Gravity (QM) with General Relativity whilst also bridging General Relativity with the Quantum Field Theory.

        By including Time with Gravity and merging it with the QTF, this is what I believe could be Dark Energy. By combing the above with the four dimensions through the glue that is Time, we may have the answer to the Theory of Everything!Attachment #1: Time__Gravity_the_Gravitational_Union..docxAttachment #2: Time_A_new_Realty_of_Physics_August_2014_-_March_2015.pdf

        14 days later

        Hello Mr Agnew,

        The quantum gravity can be explained in my humble line of reasoning respecting the quantum sphères and my 2 équations , the black mass is the secret ...

        PS Time is not really a dimension you know, it is a duration implied by evolution spherisation at my humble point of vue.

        Reversible ??? I cannot agree, we see our past indeed but we cannot go.

        Regards

        Indeed dear Mr Sorli,

        I don't understand why somany scientists insist on these extrapolations, mathematical.It is not rational and objective. We can see our past with the relativity and we can also decrease our internal clocks but never we shall travel in time.We can only travel in space.

        Regards

        I have read your attachements,

        Do you think that the system of fusion in mass is a binar system or an unique fusioned system ?

        If the lifetime is short,so if it is a binar system so the synchronisation of sphères and their rotations are releevant considering the increasing of mass.

        Regards

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        Pls suggest a few publically accessible things to read for more depth on shape and these ideas relating time and gravity?

        2 months later

        Shape Dynamics Absurder Than Einstein's Relativity

        http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/physics/shape-dynamics/

        " With shape dynamics, says Gryb, "we're taking this very simple idea and trying to push it as far as we can. And what we realized--which was a surprise to me, actually--is that you can have relativity of scale and reproduce a theory of gravity which is equivalent to Einstein's theory--but you have to abandon the notion of relative time." "

        Julian Barbour and his protégés don't know what they are talking about. Einstein's relative time is a deductive consequence of Einstein's 1905 two postulates - you cannot abandon it without abandoning (as false) a postulate.

        Pentcho Valev

          Pentcho,

          it was an interesting article. It is true that scale relativity is not dealt with by Einstein and yet it is everyday experience that the output from the sensory data we receive does show difference in observed size depending on distance from source. Perspective has been known in art since the Renaissance yet seems ignored in physics. That fact of apparent size variation makes it obvious that the observed object is an image manifestation and not the object itself. Yet somehow that is forgotten when observations are dealt with within special relativity. It was really interesting to hear that they can reproduce Einstein's results using shape dynamics. I also think it a really interesting and important realization that shape has a stability that size does not, when considering distance from an observer. Though thinking about perspective I don't think that stability is retained in the output image of an observer, if the triangle is rotated about different axes and then observed. So it definitely it depends upon whether it is a triangle object of fixed shape who is angles can not change or an image fabrication that can vary according to how the sensory data from which it is constructed is received, that is under consideration .- though I suspect that Julian might still say that it is neither but a triangle in abstract shape space.That the triangles are being considered for tiling space and thinking about black holes just surprises me but it isn't absurd, merely seeing what the idea can do.