Joe,

it doesn't matter what the abstract observer is, it could be a mathematical point or a term standing for the processing of an equation into an output. The abstract observer represents the acquisition of information. That's what an observer real or abstract does. Beyond that the information must be processed as that is how something is known from the information. Sight is the product of processing received information. The product is a representation or construct it is not the external material reality, the source of the information. Convection currents in air can be used to demonstrate that as they can affect the distribution of the information prior to receipt. That is not speculation.

Dear Georgina,

It is essential to know where the observer is in order to determine the veracity of that which is being observed. It is physically impossible for a real observer to observe "information." I know it might seem a bit unfair to you, but Nature must have furnished the simplest visible physical eternal construct obtainable. If you have your eyes open right now, you will only be able to see a plethora of seamlessly enmeshed one- dimensional flattish looking varied colored surface.. And so will every open eye at any time.

Joe Fisher, Realist

Dear Lorraine,

All humanly contrived complex, abstract concepts, such as the ones concerning "free-will, and the meaning of meaning are nothing more than pretentiously provided codswallop. Nature has freely constructed the simplest of visible physical appearance Only infinite surface that am always illuminated by infinite non-surface light has ever eternally existed.

Joe Fisher, Realist.

Joe, where the observer is and the relative state of motion of observer and information source/s (object/s) affects what information is received, when, and so what information can be processed into the product. The information is not directly experienced but the product is experienced. The information is analysed, (for example lines are identified), and there is association with knowledge from prior experience or learning that allows object recognition and activation of relevant memories. By information, as we are talking about sight, I mean the frequency and intensity of em radiation. Surfaces do emit/reflect em radiation but because we (indirectly) see those surfaces via the em radiation received and processed it does not mean that only surfaces exist externally. Sonar, x ray and translucent and transparent objects let us know that there is more than just surface. As your model relies upon the eye, it would be good for you to research how the eye functions and vision occurs. Even with functioning eyes a person can be blind, as the optic nerve and parts of the brain are also involved in sight. Interestingly there is also something called blindsight. With that condition a person has a functioning eyes and optic nerve but specific damage to the visual cortex. Despite having visual knowledge they lack conscious awareness of seeing.

Dear Georgina,

Real eyes can only see real surface. Your phantasmagorical observers cannot physically have any capability for seeing. Please repeat to yourself: It does not matter where a real eye is. A real eye will only ever see real surface. As there is only one infinite dimension, no finite object could possibly be in any sort of finite motion. Newton was wrong about finite motion and Einstein was wrong about finite relative motion.

Joe Fisher, Realist

No Joe, sight is mediated by em radiation, without receipt of em radiation there is no seeing what appears to be the external reality. That is how vision functions. Your idea does not fit with basic facts of biology, optics and mathematics and so I am not interested in it.

Actually the simplest natural construction of reality requires no silly notions of space and time or any unnatural flawed human speculation about finite math either. The only requirement is for matter and action...

Dear Georgina,

Truth is always self-evident. Lies always need details. The more details that are provided, the bigger are the lies that are being revealed. A real eye can simply only ever see surface, because only infinite surface that am always illuminated by infinite non-surface light has ever existed. Complex finite ideas about finite abstract "sight" that is supposedly finitely "mediated" by finite invisible "em" "radiation" expressed on a surface are amusingly interesting, but utterly unrealistic. Please do not argue with me. Please join me in converting the misguided population into accepting the simple truth about our real visible Universe..

Joe Fisher, Realist

Joe, you use the word "illuminated". As you have included it you must consider it an important fact. What does "illuminated by light" mean to you? How is it that a surface can be seen when illuminated but not in complete darkness?

You almost have it Steve. But please remember it am infinite surface, not finite "matter."

Joe Fisher, Realist

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Dear Georgina,

Simplicity cannot be simplified.. There am only one singular unified infinite surface occurring in one infinite dimension that am always illuminated by infinite non-surface light. This is what you seem to fail to understand: you can create a seeming condition of finite "darkness' by building a finitely sized "darkroom," But such activity is unnatural, and confounds all rational understanding of the simple nature of the real Universe entirely.

Joe Fisher, Realist

Total Absence of light is rare, however I have been inside a natural cave system where there was no light at all. Yet it still had cave wall surfaces, un-seeable until torches were put on again. The tour guide had told us to turn them off so that we could experience the rare complete darkness, that did not resolve into some night vision sight but remained completely dark after minutes of waiting.

Dear Georgina,

That is very interesting, but please remember that the creatures with the largest eyes are the monstrous fish that live in the deepest parts of the oceans. Obviously, human sight only operates within a certain range. But there must be infinity of sight that is only capable of spotting infinite surface that am always illuminated by infinite non-surface light..

Joe Fisher, Realist

The universe is finite and not infinite. The notion of infinity or infinitesimal are often a useful fictions but have no existence as matter or action. All matter and action are made up of finite particles and making infinity or the infinitesimal into a real thing essentially allows any kind of law in for the universe.

Just like a black hole is a useful fiction, there is no real existences for the matter within a black hole.

Dear Steve,

The Universe cannot possibly be "finite." Human abstract "finite" notions about imaginary infinity are utterly useless. Nature has provided the simplest of visible physical construct. The real Universe consists only of one singular visible unified infinite surface occurring in one singular infinite dimension that am always illuminated by infinite non-surface light.

Joe Fisher, Realist

Supposing the universe is infinite is simply another way of supposing the universe is anything you want it to be. An infinite universe might have infinite constants, infinite dimensions, or even infinite multiverses. Since there is no way to measure infinity, an infinite universe is not subject to validation by measurement.

Since an infinite universe can explain any measurement, the notion is simply not that useful for prediction of the action of matter...

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Dear Steve,

Please try to understand that infinite surface am not a humanly devised abstract finite supposition. Nature has provided the SIMPLEST visible Universe obtainable. The real Universe consists only of one singular visible unified infinite surface occurring in one singular infinite dimension that am always illuminated by infinite non-surface light.

Joe Fisher, Realist

Please understand that an infinite anything is unknowable and unmeasurable and thus simply not useful for prediction of matter action. Infinities and infinitesimals are very useful tools for integration and differentiation but do not really have meaning in a finite matter universe.

An infinite universe is anything that you want it to be and that is its allure. To predict finite action of finite matter, infinities are not very useful...

Dearn Steve,

There am no such a thing as a humanly contrived abstract infinite "anything." Please stop trying to understand complex unsubstantiated nonsensical laws about finite independent scientific measurement. Nature has provided the SIMPLEST visible Universe obtainable. The real Universe consists only of one singular visible unified infinite SURFACE occurring in one singular infinite dimension that am always illuminated by infinite NON-SURFACE light.

Joe Fisher, Realist