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Dear Prof Paul N Butler

................. Your words...................... Have you seen any observational experiments yet that show frequency upshifting of photons that travel toward a massive object like a star and if so, does it check for down shifting as the photons travel away from the massive object? .............................

My reply.....................................

I could not conduct any experiments due to my financial constraints; I don't have any information if some already did such experiment of frequency upshifting. Did you have any??

................. Your words...................... If I remember right it seems to me that the other question that I had was with the idea of no collisions between bodies, since we see collisions all the time around us. You can't play billiards without the balls colliding with each other. .............................

My reply.....................................

When bodies in somewhat equal in magnitudes of their masses will not colloid with each other and form a big lump. They just try to rotate about each other. When the masses have difference in in large orders like a stone and earth, they will stay near each other and rotate combinedly. There will not be any big collapsed lump of all the bodies in the Universe. All these masses will rotate in a dynamic Equilibrium.

................. Your words...................... On larger scales, pictures have been taken through telescopes of galaxies colliding, etc. It may be that I just need a more detailed understanding about that concept. How do you define that no collisions between bodies in your understanding? .............................

My reply.....................................

I also saw some photographs like that, From the earths point of view they appear to be collapsed. BUT BOTH GALAXIES WILL HAVE DIFFERENT REDSHIFTS, INDICATING THAT THERE IS RADIAL DISTANCE BETWEEN THEM.

................. Your words......................If you have found any new concepts that weren't in your previous paper, what are they. .............................

My reply.....................................

I worked out a new paper on ORIGINS OF COSMIC RAYS...PLEASE GIVE YOUR mail Id , I will send you. I don't know how to send that paper via this forum

Best regards

=snp.gupta

a month later

Dear Satyavarapu,

1. You are right about the problems. As I covered in my paper the root cause is that man has laws written into him that are contrary to the laws that are in accordance to love for one another. This causes men to act in ways that are not best for others or even themselves in the long run. It is right that most researchers want to support mainstream physics because they want to get the financial support to live off of and to do their research. They do this because they realize that the rules of those in control are such that if they present anything contrary to mainstream physics concepts, they will not get that support. Those in control made those rules to support their own public credibility and financial situation because they realize that if some new concept shows that they have made errors or if the new theory fills in blanks in understanding that they were not able to, they will appear to be less competent than the new person who could correct or fill in with new information. This reasoning is valid to them because of their built-in law that self-survival is more important than group survival and progress. Only love for others can overpower that law.

2. It looks like your hypothesis is still the same and you still have not seen any experimental evidence for the concept that light photon's frequencies are increased when they approach a large mass and are not decreased again as they later travel away from the large mass. I have not seen any such evidence either.

It is possible to propel two drops of water of equal mass toward each other with very low velocity, such that when they come together, they will form a single larger drop. If it is done in the earth's gravity field you have to be high enough up in the air that they have time to come together before they hit anything else. At a larger scale, many pieces of rock hit the earth every day. Most of them are very small, but some are large enough to cause wide spread damage. I believe that you are right that there will not be any large collapsed lump of all bodies in the universe. The universe will end long before that could possibly happen.

I am not sure if you are asking me for my email address or my postal address, but if you give me your email address, I will send it to you.

Sincerely,

Paul

Respected Wilhelmus de Wilde

Thank you for confirming your post which I posted on Mar. 6, 2020 @ 10:13

My login failed and I got it back today....

Best Regards

=snp

Dear Gupta Ji

You did not answer if the Dynamic Universe Model provides any mathematical model for uncertainty?

My essay focuses on mathematical model of uncertainty and undecidability caused by the collapse of the wave function. The cosmology model is only provided in the references to the essay.

Thanks

Avtar

The anti-gravity force comes from mass converting to the expansive energy in space and not from the centrifugal force of rotating bodies. Data shows that space is expanding in between the bodies.

Regards

Avtar

Dear Gupta Ji

You earlier mentioned that you have given high ratings to my essay and asked me to reciprocate.

Following my review of your essay and some valid questions/criticism of your essay, you decided to give me extremely low ratings in revenge. Why?

I have responded to all your posts and still have many unanswered questions to related to the Dynamic Universe model.

Please have an open mind to review and rate essays in accordance with its relevance to the topic of the essay competition.

Best Regards

Avtar Singh

    Here is a copy of Paul N Butler reply to my post on Mar. 24, 2020 @ 14:36 GMT in his essay

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    Author Paul N Butler replied on Mar. 24, 2020 @ 21:26 GMT

    Dear Satyavarapu,

    1. You are right about the problems. As I covered in my paper the root cause is that man has laws written into him that are contrary to the laws that are in accordance to love for one another. This causes men to act in ways that are not best for others or even themselves in the long run. It is right that most researchers want to support mainstream physics because they want to get the financial support to live off of and to do their research. They do this because they realize that the rules of those in control are such that if they present anything contrary to mainstream physics concepts, they will not get that support. Those in control made those rules to support their own public credibility and financial situation because they realize that if some new concept shows that they have made errors or if the new theory fills in blanks in understanding that they were not able to, they will appear to be less competent than the new person who could correct or fill in with new information. This reasoning is valid to them because of their built-in law that self-survival is more important than group survival and progress. Only love for others can overpower that law.

    2. It looks like your hypothesis is still the same and you still have not seen any experimental evidence for the concept that light photon's frequencies are increased when they approach a large mass and are not decreased again as they later travel away from the large mass. I have not seen any such evidence either.

    It is possible to propel two drops of water of equal mass toward each other with very low velocity, such that when they come together, they will form a single larger drop. If it is done in the earth's gravity field you have to be high enough up in the air that they have time to come together before they hit anything else. At a larger scale, many pieces of rock hit the earth every day. Most of them are very small, but some are large enough to cause wide spread damage. I believe that you are right that there will not be any large collapsed lump of all bodies in the universe. The universe will end long before that could possibly happen.

    I am not sure if you are asking me for my email address or my postal address, but if you give me your email address, I will send it to you.

    Sincerely,

    Paul

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      Respected Professor Paul N Butler

      .............. Your words...................................................

      1. You are right about the problems. As I covered in my paper the root cause is that man has laws written into him that are contrary to the laws that are in accordance to love for one another. This causes men to act in ways that are not best for others or even themselves in the long run................

      My reply.....................................

      Well said, love is expiring and Money is ruling.............................

      ..............Your words.................... It is right that most researchers want to support mainstream physics because they want to get the financial support to live off of and to do their research. They do this because they realize that the rules of those in control are such that if they present anything contrary to mainstream physics concepts, they will not get that support. ........................... My reply.....................................

      Yes you are correct, People should not do any thinking on their own, Main stream is correct, that's it. No arguments.

      ................. Your words......................

      Those in control made those rules to support their own public credibility and financial situation because they realize that if some new concept shows that they have made errors or if the new theory fills in blanks in understanding that they were not able to, they will appear to be less competent than the new person who could correct or fill in with new information. This reasoning is valid to them because of their built-in law that self-survival is more important than group survival and progress. Only love for others can overpower that law.

      ............................. My reply.....................................

      Well said, I will add, if the mainstream fails, pour more money and cook up results. There no love for humanity or scientific progress.

      I will continue to next post please...

      Best

      =snp

      Respected Prof Butler

      This is in continuation to my above post

      ................. Your words......................

      2. It looks like your hypothesis is still the same and you still have not seen any experimental evidence for the concept that light photon's frequencies are increased when they approach a large mass and are not decreased again as they later travel away from the large mass. I have not seen any such evidence either. ............................. My reply .....................................

      How can I? I don't have finance. I retired from my simple steel plant job in 2014. I don't have any earning except my old savings, prices are going up. Where can I get money??? Can you please support me to do this job????

      ............... Your words ......................

      It is possible to propel two drops of water of equal mass toward each other with very low velocity, such that when they come together, they will form a single larger drop. If it is done in the earth's gravity field you have to be high enough up in the air that they have time to come together before they hit anything else. At a larger scale, many pieces of rock hit the earth every day. Most of them are very small, but some are large enough to cause wide spread damage. I believe that you are right that there will not be any large collapsed lump of all bodies in the universe. The universe will end long before that could possibly happen. ............................. My reply .....................................

      In a Static Universe Model, when all bodies left on gravitation they will collapse into a LUMP. But Dynamic Universe model simulations showed when the masses are not EQUAL even to the extent 0.00000000000000001 % (This is the accuracy of My PC, 16 digits) difference in the masses of the individual bodies, they will start rotating about each other and move Dynamically. They will never collapse into lump even after trillions of years. They will be rotating about each other in a Dynamic Equilibrium.

      When the bodies are of unequal masses like earth and man or Jupiter and neutrino , the larger mass will change the path of the smaller body depending on its velocity.

      Your case of equal water droplets, when they are directed toward each other exactly, they will form a bigger droplet. When there a difference of in their masses even to the extent 0.00000000000000001 %, they will rotate about each other. They will not collapse.

      ................. Your words......................

      I am not sure if you are asking me for my email address or my postal address, but if you give me your email address, I will send it to you.

      ........................... My reply.....................................

      My address is

      SNP.Gupta

      1B, Street 57, Sector 8

      Bhilai 490006, C.G.

      India

      WhatsApp / Phone: +918770714799

      Mail: snp.gupta@gmail.com

      Best Regards

      =snp

      Respected Prof Avtar Singh Sir,

      Thank you for your post in my Essay. I was working on Dynamic Universe Model for the last 40 years. Many books and papers were published. As this is N-Body problem solution none of the academicians in Physics appriciated my efforts. No one ever supported in my life.

      I showed in my essay about the problems this model solved. Hope you read them. these were continuing even today. My Mail Id was removed from this forum two times.

      People directly criticized indirectly stabbed on the back, i think you are well aware of these ...

      I am a retired person from a steel plant in 2014, Non doctorate, main stream refused a seat in PhD for 'A' person like me. I dont have any earnings now except from my savings before 2014. What revenge I take with you sir?

      Any way i am contacting FQXi for a rivision, hope you will reciprocate...

      Best wishes to your essay sir

      Best

      =snp

      Gupta,

      I am pleased to see your continuation toward a paradigm shift.

      As you may recall we communicated multiple times during the foundation contest and I have your Frequency Shifting papers. It seems that you and I are the only cosmologists with full blown theories addressing the many flaws in the theories in use today. You have your Dynamic Universal Model and I have my Universe is Otherwise model. I do have a couple of comments about your current paper and your main-points paper.

      I will provide more details but first I mention our major differences. We disagree about the nature of space including your accepting a closed universe, rather than accepting infinity of space. You had called my infinite universe as 'really good'. Likewise your continuing acceptance of expansion seems odd. As light is a real thing, it becomes obvious that gravity ultimately must affect light's velocity, thus causing red shifts (refer to the Pound-Rebka experiments). Light flows as if beams and assigning it a fixed speed of c is to blame for the 'standard model'. Light is an EM radiation and some frequency of radiation penetrates everything. So EM radiation is the medium of space and provides gravity by pushing. Likewise, the Newton laws require 'no friction in space' which is invalid and so the drive of orbitals provided by bent radiation flow remains overlooked. Newton knew that. Thus rotations provide revolutions of other bodies.

      I really admire your work. If your views ultimately come around to include my ideas, I would honor your professionalism, continuing commitment, and leadership, traits which I don't have. Thus I suggest you should take the paradigm lead and I would be happy to include my work as additions to your work.

      Please respond and I will continue with points about your current paper here.

      Congratulation on the activity.

      Paul Schroeder

        Dear Paul Schroeder ,

        Thank you for remembering me, thank you for your kind words of appreciation !!

        I remember well about our communication. Hope you have done some more work on your "Universe is Otherwise" Model, like developing some more math support etc.... I will go through your paper and I will comment there ASAP. Yes you correctly said, you and I are cosmologists who oppose Bigbang.

        Our Universe is Closed, No "energy" or "Matter" goes out of Universe. Well OK.I remember saying it is really good. Infinite Universe do have some problem , if you calculate radiation falling on a unit area due to infinite number of stars/Galaxies, that Unit area will become infinitely bright. I did not remember how you overcame that problem.

        I will continue in another post.

        Best Regards

        =snp

        Dear Paul Schroeder ,

        I was just reading your essay, I got some comments. I am witing in accordance with your points....

        a. I fully agree , Light will bend, Its Frequency upshifts, and its speed also varies slightly.

        b. God is the consciousness of the Universe, for that matter if it is finite or infinite it does not matter, Multiple Universes are not required for that ....

        Infinite Universe do have some physical problem , if you calculate radiation falling on a unit area due to infinite number of stars/Galaxies, that Unit area will become infinitely bright. How you overcame that problem........

        c. Well said, Gravity is the reason for motion in the Universe.

        Infinite Space will provide infinite gravity??? I dont think space is having relation to Gravity. Number of Masses will have number of Gravitational pulls,resultant vector force decides motion of that Mass.

        d. Why are you calling gravitational attraction as Push? Probably you mean it is a pull. Hence resultant of Multiple attraction forces (pushes) will make a body to move. This is what exactly Dynamic Universe Model also says

        Best wishes

        =snp

        Dear Paul Schroeder ,

        There are blue shifted galaxies and red shifted galaxies in the universe.. Universe is rotating. Assume a children's giant wheel in a amusement park, you are looking at it in its plane of rotation.Some buckets come near to you and some will go away. Those which are coming near are Blue shited and going away are red shifted.

        Now assume many giant wheels each rotating about its own axis and these wheels are rotating rotating Dynamically in different planes about each other. You are in a bucket in a wheel. then you see the some buckets come near and some go away in all directions. so if you observe only those buckets which are going away you will see expanding , only those coming near to you you will see contracting universe.

        I hope this explains...

        Please check my blog for further details...

        Best regards

        =snp

        7 days later

        Dear Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta, I really like your model of the dynamic Universe, but why don't you like my neocartesian generalization of modern physics? After all, when Copernicus noticed that the Earth revolves around the Sun, he lost sight of the fact that with it all the circumsolar space (ether) revolves around him. Electromagnetic waves are also oscillations of space (ether), which we do not see, but feel in the form of heat or light. Descartes has ether as matter! I hope that the neocartesian generalization of modern physics will find understanding in India.

        I invite you to discuss my essay, in which I show the successes of the neocartesian generalization of modern physics, based on the identity of space and matter of Descartes: "The transformation of uncertainty into certainty. The relationship of the Lorentz factor with the probability density of states. And more from a new Cartesian generalization of modern physics. by Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich 禄

        聽聽聽聽聽聽At the very beginning of the essay, I repeat twice the idea that rectilinear motion, in essence, is a motion around a circle of infinitely large radius and, if this radius is reduced, then in infinitesimal laws of motion according to the theory of relativity will go over to the laws of quantum mechanics. Next come mathematical formulas that only spoil my essay, but without them in any way. I will be pleased if you catch their main meaning and bless me for the further generalization of modern physics. I give high ratings to those who visit my page and leave her comment on it regarding the neo-Cartesian generalization of modern physics, even if they did not agree.

        Sincerely, Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich.

          Respected Professor Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich,

          Thank you for presenting a wonderful essay here!

          You did not explain the various abbreviations used in your equations. Any way I could get the concept, no problem. Lorentz transformation does not lead your theory into Blackhole singularity i suppose.

          your words....... According to Descartes, in the world there is nothing but vortices, and these swirls of space create our world, thanks to which we exist..... are well written!!

          René Descartes found that he himself must be real (exist), because he felt that he was thinking; and if he was thinking, then he must be real. This is because if he were not real, then how would he have this feeling that he was thinking. He shortened this view, saying in Latin, "Cogito ergo sum," meaning "I think, therefore I am."

          Please read my essay and give your comments also. I hope we will go into collaboration in near future... By the way I rated your essay the best...

          Best reagrds

          =snp

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          Dear Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta, many thanks for your comment on my essay. I try not to think about black holes, but they make themselves felt as positive charges in the center of vortices (particles). Some researchers argue that based on the recognized parameters of the universe, it turns out that we live in a black hole. I add that this black hole is crushed into small pieces that are located in the centers of everything that rotates. From this the whole world and we ourselves are so active.

          It's easy to read your essay, all the "NOs" are collected in one table, I carefully looked through them and found that they do not contradict the neocartesian generalization of modern physics. Further development of cosmology is possible only on the basis of your dynamic model of the Universe with the addition of the fact that nature does not tolerate emptiness, i.e. it must be filled with matter that creates space, and there are no dark matter, dark energy, big bang, multiverses, etc.

          I wish you all the best, and accordingly give a rating.

          Sincerely, Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich.

          Dear Prof Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich,

          Thank you for your nice response .

          I did not understand why you want so many trillions of infinities (BHs)in every centers of rotations..... I want to know your points of view

          Best

          =snp

          6 days later

          Dear Satyavarapu Thanks for your update on the " Dynamic Universe Model". In my essay, I introduced a new model for the creation of the universe. Once the universe is created it operates analogously to your description in the "Dynamic Universe Model" with its Energy Matter cycling and multigenerational solar systems, galaxies, etc.. A major difference is that it does have black holes and dark matter as components of the circulating processing. My essay also introduces a new lower "fundamental" level of creation. These fundamentals scale up to become the math, processing and measurements of the visible universe and its major components. These fundamentals are a progression from an all chaotic changing to a sequenced, ordered changing to an overall unchanging - every component is changing eternally cycling result. It converts chaos to the order of the universe. These scaled up fundamentals produce what we measure in the universe. My hope is that you will see if these ideas can be added to your work to get a more complete theory. I would appreciate your comments. John D. Crowell

            Respected Dr. John David Crowell,

            Thank you for your wonderful words on my essay. Thank you for your nice introduction to your essay. And I will give suitable comments there.

            You are correct, probably we should go for collaboration in some new paper....

            I will discuss with you on your essay

            Thank you

            Best

            =snp