John I could not open the attachment. So I am trying to send it in a different way. John Crowell

Martin In this case, I am simply trying to say that my theoretical measurements and the "verified or generally accepted as true" measurements of physics are very close to being the same. For example, my theoretical value of the Planck time is 5.3631702x10^-44 seconds and the generally accepted value is ~5.39x10^-44 thanks for the inquiry. John

Ch. thanks for your comments. The "impossible" that I am talking about is the ability to get a complete accurate description of "natural" reality. If you have an assumption/axiom that is wrong it is impossible to be both complete and accurate. In the case of mathematical theorems, one has a beginning or an ending "statement" and you work forward or backward using (the rules of) logic and reason to prove the theorem. If those rules do not apply then it is "impossible" to get the complete accurate result you want. The fundamental assumption of philosophy is that the rules that govern reason and logic are present everywhere, all of the time and never change. The SSC theory disputes that assumption. If the SSC theory is correct, then it is "impossible" for theories-mathematical or scientific (based on that assumption)to develop a complete/accurate TOE. I will discuss the specific case of the uncertainty principle in my next post.

Ch. The uncertainty principle is a specific case. In the SSC theory, when a SSC progression reaches a stable state, it is a repeating combination of 2sets of equivalent and opposite processes. One set is the self creating processing and the self dissipating processing. The other set is two conversion processes. One converts the end of the self creating process to the beginning of the self dissipating process and the other connects the end of the self dissipating process to the beginning of the self creating processing. The result is an everything is a repeating, equivalently and oppositely connected system. When a human imposes on (perturbs) the system by trying to measure it, the system interacts. If it changes the variable being measured, that change will have an equivalent and opposite affect on its conjugate variable. If one gets more precise the other gets less precise--and that is the observed result. Neither measurement accurately reflects the true state of the unperturbed system. If the system interacts, it is "impossible" to get a complete/accurate description of the unperturbed "natural state.

Ch. The SSC theory does not present any new "observations". However, it shows the changes/conversions/connections necessary to get a complete/accurate description of the processing that connects those observations. In my essay, I mention that physicists can use the model as an aide in their work. The basis of this statement is: If you know the overall framework of what is happening, it is much easier to understand and rationalize what is happening in specific situations/conditions/problems. I would like to test that idea on the BH Information Paradox that you and several of your colleagues are addressing in this contest. I would like to post on this thread (in more detail) how my work describes the creation, functioning and role of black holes in the creation of the universe, galaxies/solar systems and how it differs in its basics from current theories. Let you think about how to incorporate it into your work and see if it helps to generate new observations/rationalizations that can solve the paradox. Would you like to try that? John

    Dear John,

    Thanks for the clarifications. Again, I wish you good luck in the Contest.

    Cheers, Ch.

    12 days later

    John Crowell re-uploaded the file Crowell_2272020.707am_Clari.pdf for the essay entitled "Clarification of Physics: A Derivation of a Complete, Computable, Predictive Model of "Our" Multiverse." on 2020-04-06 22:01:08 UTC.

    5 days later

    Dear John,

    You have presented very interesting radical ideas in the spirit of a deep Cartesian doubt. It is very important that you reject the 芦Big Bang禄 hypothesis, which introduces maximum ontological uncertainty into cognition.

    You wrote in one of the comments that your model is metaphysical. I don't understand only the initial ontological structure of your 芦Multiverse禄?

    Also questions: 1) How is matter related to consciousness? How can consciousness be represented in the language of mathematics as the "language of Nature"?

    2) You use the concept of 芦Multiverse". Why not Universe?

    聽I looked at the etymological dictionary ... The concept of "Universe" comes from Latin Universum - "world whole, world, universe", the form of the middle gender from universus is "general, universal", further from unus - "one", further from the pre-Indo-European * oin- (* (w) ein-) "one", + versus "furrow; line; verse", from the verb vertere "rotate", from the pre-Indo-European * wer- "rotate"...

    3) .In an interview with mathematician and mathematical physicist Ludwig Faddeev (in the journal "EXPERT" (2007), entitled "The equation of the evil spirit" it is written: "Academician Ludwig Faddeev believes that today mathematical rigor is more important than physical intuition and it is thanks to mathematics that a" unified theory of everything "will be built. The long-standing debate of scientists about what is more important - mathematical rigor or physical meaning, a correctly solved equation or an intuitive understanding of a natural phenomenon, continued throughout the 20th century, but at some time physicists seemed to win in it: Einstein as the creator of a special and general theory of relativity is better known to the average man than Poincare or Hilbert, Schr枚dinger is more popular than Weil, and Landau is more popular than Bogolyubov. But in recent decades, the situation began to change: it turned out that successful mathematical techniques have not just technical significance, but deep physical meaning. Mathematical intuition in solving increasingly complex physical problems may be more important than physical. And this caused a noticeable irritation of many great physicists. In the second half of the 20th century, a new generation of scientists appeared who could no longer be called pure physicists or mathematicians. Ludwig Faddeev is one of them. After graduating from the Physics Department of Leningrad University, he gained worldwide fame as a man who, together with his student Viktor Popov, solved the most complicated mathematical problems of the Yang - Mills theory, which later formed the basis of the theory of superstrings. The effects that were discovered were called "Faddeev-Popov spirits" and under this name entered all modern textbooks of theoretical physics. Faddeev is convinced that just as physics solved all the theoretical problems of chemistry, thereby "closing" chemistry, so mathematics will create a "unified theory of everything" and "close" physics. Faddeev is convinced that just as physics solved all the theoretical problems of chemistry, thereby "closing" chemistry, so mathematics will create a "unified theory of everything" and "close" physics".

    Do you agree with Ludwig Faddeev?

    Have you ever dealt with the problem of the "foundations of mathematics", which is already more than a hundred years old?

    Since you strongly and categorically oppose the ontologically flawed hypothesis of the "Big Bang" and this is extremely important for overcoming the modern crisis of understanding in the philosophical basis of science, and give your picture of the world. I give you a rating of 芦ten禄 for your new ideas. The problem of the ontological structure of the 芦Beginning禄 is problem No. 1 for mathematics and physics, and for cognition as a whole.

    With kind regards, Vladimir.

    Dear John D Crowell,

    I certainly agree that many current problems of physics are based on false assumptions. It seems that a good approach is to try to identify these false assumptions and see what's left of science after they have been removed. My current essay deals with the false assumption of multiple time frames.

    I agree with certain aspects of your approach; it is finite, it is based on 'flexible' C* units that change while preserving their essence, and it is so structured as to be scalable. Also, as I think you agree, vortices are an essential concept.

    On the other hand, I do believe a big-bang-type creation event is reasonable, and I do not subscribe to a multiverse. In my mind the 'free lunch model' of a primordial field coming into creation implies that initially nothing else existed -- therefore any possible interaction must be self-interaction, as nothing else existed to interact with. This leads me to a self-interaction principle and equation that unfolds to evolve the universe in an essentially self-aware mode that gets us to where we are now. For example, to formulate it in physics form, if 'd' is a 'change operator' and f is the primordial field, then the basic equation is: df = f*f where * is the interaction operator. You'd be amazed how much falls out of this equation.

    One problem with FQXi, almost by definition is that most of the participants have their own models of reality, making it extremely difficult for everyone to agree. Therefore the best that can be expected is for us to converge to common principles and processes. Over the decade of contests this appears to me to be happening, as a number of us are coming to a neo-classical view that rejects the 'magic' of many current theories.

    I appreciate your reading my essay and agreeing with certain aspects of it. I wish you well in this contest and in the continued development of your theory of reality.

    Edwin Eugene Klingman

      Respected Dr. John David Crowell

      Thank you for visiting my essay and left a nice introduction to your theory. Thank you for liking my essay.

      Yours is wonderful essay. logic is good. I did not find any mathematical support. How did you arrive at all those C*s. Dark matter is not experimentally found, Black-holes have infinite densities. Why you want them?

      You can use Dynamic Universe model's mathematics or Computer simulations for further development of your essay and theory with slight changes. We can discuss further on these changes through email.

      I highly appreciate your essay...

      Best wishes...

      =snp

        Hello to both of you,

        Thanks for developping Mr Crowell, I see better your general analysis. I work about my theory of spherisation, an optmisation evolution of the universal sphere ofr future sphere with quantum and cosmological 3D spheres, I have superimposed 3 E8 maide of coded 3D spheres , it is a Little bit different than the strings so at this planck scale and philosophically speaking also.

        I beleive strongly that a TOE is not possible but I understand what you tell me and I agree about the consistent Tools that you cited. But we know so few still, we are so Youngs at this universal scale considering this evolution, we have of course evolved in maths, physics, sciences but we have so many secrets to discover at my humble opinion. We don t know really what are these foundamental mathematical and physical objects and how philosophically and ontologically they create our reality with its geometries, topologies, amters, fields, particles, properties. But of course we evolve each Days in completing this universal partition where these numbers, fields, particles seem dancing in a harmonical way. We have many unknowns also to explain like this Dark matter, this Dark energy, this quantum gravitation, this consciousness and others. We must maybe accept our limitations in knowledges and consider that all this is generally not computable, nor decidable, nor predictable. It is like I said if we would predict the result of match of soccer, football and the motions of This ball if I can say, you inagine the parameters to take into account to predict the result and these motions ? The limitations seem important and seem impltying an impossibility to have a TOE, we can of course have roads towards Thos TOE but maybe we cannot reach it simply. We have like I said probably an ocean of unknowns to add , even the photons don t seem to be the main essence primordial of this universe. But of course I respect your essay and ideas that I liked. About the metaphysics, I d tell that this universe is fully deterministic at all scales and that the metaphysics are not really a truth, we have just unknowns rational, deterministic, logic to add , superimpose to our standard model and at this consological scale also. Maybe we must Think beyond the box, it is what I have made to reach this quantum gravitation with these 3D spheres and this cold dark matter encoded in nuclei, I formalise all this in maths with the lie derivatives, the lie groups, the Ricci flow, the topological and euclidian spaces, the poincare conjecture, the Hamilton Ricci flow in considering particles coded and so the codes are inside instead to consider strings and a 1D main Cosmic field. But I admit that this formalisatiom, renormalisation, quantization is not easy, but the results are relevant in all humility , I have respected this newtonian mechanics

        I wish you alkl the best in this Contest, thanks still for explaining your different general points of vue,

        best regards

        Vladimir. Thank you for your comments and appreciation for my ideas. In this response 1. I will provide what my theory says about your no. .1 problem - "... the ontological structure of the . In the development of the SSC theory, I discovered the lowest level of a self creation process - (I.e. the process that created the original self replicator). This process is also the process that overcomes entropy. Repeating self replication and self organization progressed to become larger/more complex self creators. This process continued until it became" all of the order in existence" which includes our universe and its contents. If I understand what you are saying humanity needs to know the state of existence at/ during the beginning. In the appendix of my essay I describe the state of existence before the beginning, during the origination and the forms/functioning and measurements of the resultant SSCU. So it was basically an existing state of chaos (chaotically interacting C*s) in which the:origination progressed until the stable unchanging-changing SSCU emerged, survived and began to self replicate. So the existence before and during the origination was a state of uncertain changing, until the first SSCU "emerged". Then it was an existing state of chaotic changing with a tiny, tiny, SSCU "island" that began to self replicate, grow and self organize. 2. The ontological state of every Successful Self Creating unit from the smallest to the largest and the simplest to the most complex is an intelligence/ successful self creating/physical combination. All three are necessary for the unit to exist and progress. The initial and ongoing multiverse is/was a changing combination of these three components. 3. Consciousness is an emergent result of the SSC processing. As a result it is a complex intelligence/SSC/physical combination.I will be discussing this in a future introduction of SSC and Humanity. 4. The Cosmos (i.e. all of the order in the universe) is equivalent to 3.68938x10^7 visible universes so I used the term multiverse to express that concept. 5. I do not agree with Ludwig Faddeev. In the theory SSC is fundamental and it creates "all of the order in existence". So the explanation of the Complete SSC processing/results is a TOE. mathematics is a result of this process that can be used to explain it. 6. In the essay I mention the creation of the mathematics related to SSC. So, in the theory, the creation of the fundamentals of mathematics is included in the creation of the fundamentals of SSC. I hope this is useful. Keep up the questions. I enjoy using the model to create the answers. John

          Dear Edwin. Thank you for reading my essay and providing comments that give me a chance to discuss my work and its relationships to the work of others. Rereading your essay and it's comments: I too believe that FQXi is providing a valuable forum for the presentation of "fringe" ideas/theories and a review by peers. Also, I was disappointed by tour comment to Gene Barbee: " ...there is no market for a new theory..." even when there is a need. As you know I also believe there are "...false premises built into the old theories...". I appreciate your neo-classical approach of taking on the old theories one at a time, showing what is wrong and trying to fix the problem from within. While I agree that cleaning up the individual "silos" is necessary, it is not going to provide the complete story that makes sense of all of the parts. I have a different approach. I also bring something new to the game. In my essay I introduce a new fundamental level and apply it to the physical world because that is what the essay contest is all about. However, the theory is more comprehensive. SSC overcomes entropy, converts chaos into order and becomes "all of the order in existence - the Cosmos of the ancient Greeks. In that realm the power of the theory is that it unifies everything in one theory. It includes physics, math, philosophy, religion, chemistry, biology, psychology, life, intelligence, consciousness, cognition, humanity, etc.. in one theory. People want to know how they fit. They need to know the beginning of creation/intelligence/the physical world through their interwoven progressive pathway to what exists now. When this is known we can apply it to the individual "silos", correct their premises and improve their theories. The idea of applying one overall solution to many individual problems is appealing to me. It is the approach I am following. Enough about philosophy. In my next posting on this thread I will discuss your specific comments on my essay. Thanks again for your comments. John Crowell

          Hi John

          1. Please clarify the initial structure of matter (forms of existence) at the first stage of Self-Creation. Does this structure change or is it eternal?

          2. What is the nature of the first "Law of Nature"?

          Vladimir

          By John Crowell I am adding these comments to answer questions I am receiving from the essay contestants. It is a broadening of the SSC theory that goes beyond the physical aspects of this contest. However, it covers what people are asking about.

          1. The ontology-"being"- that is the basis of "all of the order in existence" is the C*s to SSCU transformation described in the appendix of my essay. This is the irreducible beginning. It converts chaos to order and produces the lowest level of SSC order that survives -SSCU. The SSCU survives, self replicates-converts chaos to SSCUs, the copies self organize, repeat the processing and progress to eventually become "all of the order in existence".

          2. These two processes become (complete) the overall SSC processing/results. The combination of the three components a. the C*s to SSCU transformation b. the self replication c. the self organizing of the copies and their results 4. "all of the order in existence is the -creating/created/creator- ontological "being" that is present in every unit of progression in the SSC.

          3.The C*s to SSCU transformation of chaos to order begins with the formation of a vortex that becomes Planck actions that become the variables/ relationships of time, space, mass, speed and direction that become the form(s)ing and function(s)ing of the SSCU. That transformation is the irreducible level of SSC. This is the "foundational level" that scales up to become the physical and chemical world.

          4. The SSCU self replicating to create copies and the copies self organizing is the "foundational level" of the SSC self replicating/self organizing "worlds" of biology and its progression to become the biological/psychological progression of simple animals to humans.

          Continued in the next posting.

          Continuation of previous posting by John Crowell

          5. These 2 "foundational levels" complete each other and become the fundamentals and totality of all ordered existence. This includes all intelligence, the complete physical world and the SSC processing that interweaves them into into every progressive SSC result. It includes the sciences, mathematics, computations, philosophies, religions and the people that are a part of them.

          6. There is a component of the SSC theory that was not introduced in this essay as I am still refining the concept. The C*s to SSCU transformation includes stress and strain of C*s as they twist, turn, accelerate, etc. as they combine, change, contort and conform to become the compositions of the forms and functioning of the SSC results. This stress and strain while maintaining their value is a hidden characteristic of the system that is not recorded in digitalized physical, mathematical and computational analysis. It is contained (hidden) in the sensations, feelings and intuitions that are a part of natural SSC processing and in human mental "minding" representations. In our conscious "minding" we find solutions that work but it is in our subconscious mind that fine tunes the solutions to become the optimum results-Occam's razor. It is likely there is a natural counterpart.

          Vlidimar. Sorry to be late in my reply. Answering your questions. 1. The origination of the first SSCU (described in my appendix) provides the first stable result ( the precursor to matter). The chart in the appendix gives its "measurements". It is an impermanent/ permanent combination. The overall repeating circulating process which manifests a sphere is permanent. However, every component in the circulating processing is impermanent. The components are in a permanent impermanent state of changing. The combination could be described as an "ouroboros" - an eternal cycle of creation and destruction. Every SSC result coming from the original is also a permanent/impermanent combination. It is interesting that the SSCU consists of two equivalent and opposite sets of processes. One set is self creation and self dissipation. The other set is a equivalent and opposite connecting of the end of the self creation process to the beginning of the self dissipation process and the ending of the self dissipation process to the beginning of the self creation process. The combination produces the cycling ouroboros. I am not an expert on the Hindu Gods but one could consider the C*s transformation to SSCU to be the equivalent of the creation of Brahma- the God of creation, Shiva- the God of destruction, Vishnu- the God that mediates between the other two Gods to make the circulating overall result - Brahman. I find that interesting. Your comments? 2. The nature of the first law is: to overcome entropy (i.e. emerge from chaos and survive; grow and maintain; and become the best it can be.) Hope this answers your questions John

          Dear SNP I will try to answer your questions. 1. The mathematical support is that the creation narrative describes a progressive co-creation of the physical "world" and its corresponding mathematics. This combination matches the empirical measurements of Planck's length and time; the hydrogen atom and Avagadro's number to provide 1 gram of mass; solar systems; galaxies and the visible universe. Anyone can use the range of change chart in the essay to prove it to themselves. 2. The discovery of C*s took 20 years. It started with discovering a self creating algorithm - the combination of the H atom and Avagadro's number to give one gram of mass. Eventually, the incoming data supported equivalent and opposite fractal expansions and contractions of the self creation algorithm to give the range of change mathematics described in my essay. The original C* is the lowest common denominator of that self creating total. Changing the lowest common denominator to a C* unit of changing (with a range of changing while maintaining its value) to replace the unchanging "particle" of physics provided the "means" to follow the changing of the self creating process through the entire processing to create the "measured" physical universe. 3, My model begins with the formation of a vortex in which the tip of the vortex reaches the speed of self creation (=to the speed of light) so light cannot escape. The tip of the vortex becomes repeating Planck actions. Note: it does not become infinitely dense. The repeating Planck actions produce the primordial space, time, mass, speed and direction that scale up to become the universe. I need the vortexes to explain the creation and maintainence of the repeating processing of the solar systems and galaxies of the visible universe that your equations describe. 4. Thank you for your generous contribution of your mathematics and computer simulations to use in my theory. I think they would be valuable in extending the theory. However, I am not a mathematician and I am not a computer "genius". At 75 years of age I probably never will be. What I am hunting for is a brilliant young mind with mathematical and computer skills that can learn my theory, simulate the theory from its beginning until now and combine it with your simulations of "this is what is happening now" and combine the two to project what will happen in the future if this combination continues. It would be a good project for them to use both tools to demonstrate the complete story. What do you think of the proposed project? John

          Dear Edwin. A discussion of the points you brought up in your comments. 1. I am not a regular member of the physics community. So, I was surprised at the animosity between the Big Bangers and the others- most of which are steady staters. The Big Bang, hyperexpansion and never ending expansion never seemed plausible to me. So, when I discovered the SSC process, I was pleased. It seems to provide an intermediate between the two camps and the changes it introduced were reasonable. The idea of physics following an observed expansion back to an infinitely dense, infinitely small singularity was replaced by following the expansion back to a limit with a sequence of repeating filling and emptying of a finite density central "sphere" providing a sequence of little bangs which produced a measurable expansion seemed a reasonable change.Also, having a finite limit on the expansion providing an encapsulating sphere with a repeating circulating inner processing seemed to provide what the steady staters were measuring and rationalizing.The end result is the same the visible measurable universe and its contents. The difference is one theory explains the connections between the dots and matches the empirical measurements and the others do not. 2. I am not sure that the creation of the SSC was a "free lunch". It did not emerge out of the same material. It converted chaos to the order we see in the SSCU - described in my appendix. Once it formed, it then created copies which were the same composition and they interacted. The conversion of chaos to order may not be Einstein's miracle. However, at a minimum it was a remarkable accomplishment. 3. Your equation for a change operator operating on a primordial field does not fit the SSC model. In the SSC model SSC creates everything it needs to progress. The change operator is the self creating field which creates(becomes) the entire physical world - all of the particles, elements, solar systems, galaxies, and universes. In the SSC model the creating/created/creator is in every progressing self creating unit. There is no outside change operator and that makes a big difference. Thanks again for your comments. Hopefully this will provide some additional understanding of the SSC process. John

          Steve. Happy you are replying to threads that include my essay. I will answer your entry in the thread of Sabine Hossenfelder and Martin van Staveren in this thread. SSC processing creates and connects the physical world, intelligence and their corresponding mathematics. I regard mathematics as an epiphenomena of this creation process. However, a mathematician may envision the mathematics as primary and the others as epiphenomena. This could also occur with the SSC co- creation of intelligence and the physical world. I see them as equivalent. All three are necessary. None can exist without the other. However, some people try to make one or the other primary and the others secondary or believe that one can exist without the others. The SSC theory says that all three: 1. intelligence 2. physical and 3. the SSC that creates and connects them MUST exist in every SSC unit of progression. In the SSC the conversion of chaos to order in the C*s conversion to the SSCUs and their self replication and self organization are the combined origin and production of all intelligence, the physical world and the SSC processing.They did not come from nothing or the Big Bang. They did however create a quantitative geometry that corresponds to what we see in the physical world. We can use this quantitative geometry to follow the creation of the physical world. I will address your eternal consciousness creation of a physicality in the next posting on this thread