Vladimir Sorry for the delay. In my three postings below this thread, starting April 16th I added some clarification that I think will answer some of your questions. I also reread your essay. We are basically trying to do the same thing: provide a complete understanding of "all of the order in existence" which includes all intelligence, philosophy, psychology, the complete physical world, mathematics, computations, humanity, consciousness, cognition, etc. Both of our essays contain many of the same ideas expressed differently. For example, your major components/ideas: primordial generating structure, the ontological basis of knowledge, and the universum are similar to what is in my theory. I consider the SSC theory to be a theory of the creation and functioning of all ordered existence. Also the initial C*s to SSCU transformation is the fundamental (foundation) of all ordered "being": the physical world, all intelligence, knowledge, consciousness, humanity etc.. An example not mentioned in the essay is: the original SSCU can be considered a primordial "node" and its self replication/ self organization produces intelligence networks. The same SSCU is the primordial space, time, mass, speed and direction that become the forms and functioning of the physical world and the foundation for SSC mathematics and computations. All of these are interwoven in the overall SSC processing. I believe the SSC theory could be the Big- Paradigm revolution in the basis and processing needed to get out of what you are calling the current crisis. Please continue the questioning. John

Steve I have a question about the previous posting on this thread: what do you think of the idea that every self creating lineage (including humanity) emerges from a self creating field as an intelligent/ successful self creating/ physical "combination". each progressive unit emerges, grows, lives, Lear dips, reproduces dies. While they are living ( and with books, etc ) Their learned intelligence and physical improvements are passed on to succeeding generations. When a unit dies its intelligence and physical components dissipate - no longer exist- but the SSC component returns to the SSC field and begins its next progression-- that would seem to fit in my model ? What are your thoughts? John

Hello John, we cannot prove this main cause and orgigin, I know that the majority of thinkers consider these fields like main cause , a main Cosmic field and strings at this planck scale, probably it is due to Witten. But I see differently in my model, I consider particles coded sent from the central cosmological sphere. It is there for me that this infinite eternal consciousness codes and transforms this Energy. I beleive that these fields don t explain the evolution because why so this thing beyond our understanding does not change the oscillations to help the Children in yemen for example in a simplistic analysis. The fact to consider that we have only fields creating the geometries, topologies, matters seems odd for me. I understand the philosophy of string theorists considering these fields , they consider mainly that Before the physicality we had an infinite heat and after this thing has created photons and so oscillate these photons to create our reality, and philosophically so they correlate with this infinite thing and even consider the infinity inside the physicality because all is connected with a kind of God like if we were inside it and the fields so explain the emergent things and the intelliegnce also. But for me like I said we need coded particles and an evolution, that is why I beleiv that this infinite eternal consciousness needs really particles to create this physicality. I respect your general idea , we see a Little bit the same about this continuity and evolutive road , I just consider particles in my theory of spherisation and 3D spheres , the Waves particles duality is respected also when we consider that space disappears with specific series and that all is in constanct and that we have these 2 fuels also creating the fields due to fact that they are encoded in the main primordial serie of this spa What I find important is that we cannot have fields , Waves, without particles if they are without motions, but we cannot have fields without particles for me. Best Regards

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Hi John...

Thank you for reading my essay with attention as required to make a comparative analysis between your Successful Self-Creation theoretical model, and my Unified Quantization of a Sphere (UQS) geometry model.

I have now read your essay, I do see similarities, and many of the seemingly dissimilar aspects are discipline specific language issues... e.g. I differentiate Phenomena Energy (PHE) from spatially defined Quanta of Energy (QE) to facilitate the UQS minimum/indivisible unit as Space-Time ENERGY, which can then be differentiated from Spaceless-Timeless Cause ENERGY.

REF Graphic Illustration: Cause Energy Pulsed Emergence as Space-Time Energy http://www.uqsmatrixmechanix.com/UQSMarcelMLTD.jpg

To ask, as Peter Jackson does: "You mention self-replication but what existed before the first event?", is not the same as to akd What existed before the first C*s to SSCU "event" ... to which you respond... "Indeterminate C's were interacting chaotically.".

Chaotic interaction implies entity action events... i.e. "stuff" experiencing motion differentials over time.

Differentiating Space-Time ENERGY from Spaceless-Timeless Cause ENERGY requires a logic singularity... i.e. the geometry that encapsulates a minimum/indivisible temporal quanta (QT) pulsed Point Source emission of a spatially defined entity... but in that UQs is a rigorous mathematical/geometry model that satisfies a Space-Time/Spaceless-Timeless logic singularity ... i.e. not a theory... the classic "something from nothing" rejection of the model has been eliminated.

In that the Space-Time kinematic chain, from pulsed source emission of a minimum/indivisible spatially defined entity, to a visible entity. has not been verified, I can agree with Edwin Eugene Klingman'S assessment that we have "no need for new theory"...i.e. I think what we need is conversions of speculative mathematical theories into CAD environment models for critical analysis of fundamental emergence by digital SIM.

I am currently designing UQS Virtual Quantum Lab/Game console screens and coding screen mapped DEF FN, to facilitate utilization of prior UQS geometry derived digital code, as a CAD/SIM environment user interface... i.e. I no longer work with mathematical symbolic equations/linguistics... and as my essay demonstrates, I have installed the UQS integrated PHSICAL/META-PHYSICAL model on my mental desktop and am experimenting with application of the Cosmic Consciousness Connection it facilitates.

In that the Successful Self-Creation model "mathematics and theoretical measurements" correspond to standard model... i.e. perturbatively derived... "variables of universal space, time, mass, speed and direction of the physical universe and its internal functioning", I can not concede that the Successful Self-Creation model goes "beyond" the ""probability"" for a fundamental process that evolves as a networked intelligence, which resolves nascence of a functional Space-Time Energy reality, as demonstrated by the UQS unified field model CAD-SIMs.

In that our exchange demonstrates that "interdisciplinary" conceptual convergence is currently being conveniently and effectively facilitated by FQXi essays and essay comment threads, and typically funding is not available for application development, I think independent Computer Aided Development of the UQS Virtual Quantum Lab/Game, is currently my best course of focused action.

Thanks again John for your thought provoking essay, and thoughtful comments on my essay.

Sue Lingo

UQS Author/Logician

www.uqsmatrixmechanix.com

    Hello Sue Thanks for reading and responding to my essay. I will respond to your comments and then show how the SSC model can be used to generate "a more precise framework for analysis for information processing ... that correlates to an Absolute Intelligence" I will also show how the SSC model can be represented to be the creator of a rigorous quantitive/mathematical/geometric model of a Unified, Quantitative, Geometric Successful Self Creating Sphere that scales up to become "all of the order in existence" which includes all intelligence, the complete physical world and the SSC processing that progressively creates and interweaves them into its processing and results. It May take more than one posting to accomplish this. What existed before the first event? In my reply to Peter I thought he was referring to the first SSC event. However maybe he and you are asking about the first event that created something out of nothing- that created the chaotic existence? In that case I need to go back to the beginning of the creation of my model. My primary assumption was that existence has always existed. So there was never a need to create something out of nothing. It became then a conversion problem. Also my beginning was different than other creation stories/theories. Humanity has almost universally accepted the idea that intelligence has always existed and it is in effect everywhere, all of the time and it never changes. In science that intelligence is the laws and constants of physics, in philosophy it is the rules of logic and reason, in religion it is the wisdom of the God(s). The SSC theory says this is not true. SSC creates and uses those at the appropriate times in the processing. I also state (imply) that this is the reason no one has created a TOE and by changing those fallacious assumptions I was able to develop a complete model. The reason we need a new model is to get rid of these fundamental fallacies.

    Sue. In my reply to your posting, I made a mistake. From the beginning it should read: "Hello Sue ..........that correlates to a precise Quantified Unified Sphere of Successful Self Creation".

    In the last statement of the previous posting, I mentioned that "The reason we need a new model is to get rid of these fallacies." The concept of an "Absolute God" is one of those fallacies. It was only after I got rid of those fallacies I was able to discover the new SSC paradigm. By the way the C*s to SSCU fundamental process progressively creates the fundamental Geometric point(s), line(s). surface area(s), sphere(s) (with volumes) that correspond to the forms and functions that become the Quantitative Unified Sphere of Successful Self Creation. I also read in your Bio that you do not believe in "perturbative measurements" . What this implies to me is that the entire realm (small and large) of measurable science is outside of your realm of acceptance. Is that the reason you left the use of symbolic mathematics and language and entered CAD/SIM representations based on thought/logic alone as "truth"? It seems to me that a theory using symbolic math and language that matches scientific measurements combined with a CAD/SIM representation would receive better acceptance than a CAD/SIM representation based on Absolute Intelligence and thought alone. I am looking for good CAD/SIM modelers. Do you have a recommendation? Good luck in your modeling. John

    Hi David...

    A rigorous math model requires all GEOMETRY ELEMENTS... i.e. elements of spatial definition... are derived from a digitally coded CAD environment quantization algorithm that is compatible with the CAD engine.

    A rigorous math model requires all GRAPHIC ELEMENTS... e.g. minimum/indivisible spatial unit (QI), minimum/indivisible icon/sprite (QE) that experiences SIM animation... are defined in terms of (x,y,z) coordinates to pass to the CAD engine.

    Note: an impossibility if model requires an emergent intelligence, and the quantization of CAD environment is not a unified field...i.e. identical geometry algorithm to generate QI as spatial occupancy addresses

    A rigorous math model requires all EMMISION and subsequent DISTRIBUTION PROCESSES... i.e. (x,y,z) transformations of GRAPHIC ELEMENTS from time 0 to SIM duration time... must be digitally coded to output(x,y,z) coordinates for pass to the SIM module of the CAD engine.

    I have completed these requirements, and coding the preferably cross platform CAD/SIM app necessary to utilize the Physicist/Logician's rigorous math model, as defined above, can be outsourced to any game developer with 3D OpenGL/vulcan/dirextX experience. or to a CAD/SIM app developer.

    A rigorous model of an emergent intelligence... i.e. ability to resolve the next SIM frame without external (perturbative) input... requires an INFERENCE module that reads CAD (x,y,z) data, compares choreography differential between process sequenced frames of the SIM, and digitally codes a logic statement of that differential as a SWITCH Function that can be accessed by the CAD engine as AVAILABLE INTELLEGENCE for subsequent SIM frame resolves.

    Coding the CAD/SIM app necessary to utilize the Physicist/Logician's rigorous emergent intelligence model, as defined above, will require Artificial Intelligence expertise.

    My choice would be to establish a collaboration between "Animation Master" author Martin Hash, and "Mathmatica" author Stephen Wolfram, but due to limited resources, I have become multi-disciplinary.

    May your resources facilitate a more timely production schedule for a "Successful Self Creation" model CAD/SIM.

    Sue Lingo

    UQS Author/Logician

    www.uqsmatrixmechanix.com

    Hello Sue Thank you for your reply. It took me some time to translate your reply into my language. When I did I found that you provided a template for me to map/reorganize the SSC quantized processing/results into CAD/SIMS operational language with a new logic "twist" that made it possible for an emergent intelligence to emerge in conjunction with the physical world and appropriate SSC processing. Through its timely progression SSC became "all of the order in existence". -- including all intelligence/the complete physical world and the SSC processing that interweaves them into every SSC/processing result. Thanks again.

    Hi John David Crowell...

    My bad!!!... i.e. my cut and paste error addressing you on my last post.

    In regard to your reference to my BIO statement implying that I 'do not believe in "perturbative measurements", please note that my Bio reads: "as a logician I refrain from perturbative analysis of FUNDAMENTAL PROCESSES."

    As to the reason I "left the use of symbolic mathematics and language": a digital processor requires an interpreter to process symbolic maths... e.g. calculus... and depending on the interpreter, version#, etc, the response to a query may vary. That being the case, I admit to a bias for digital coded logic in developing applications for analysis of fundamental processes, by digital processors.

    As to the reason I "entered CAD/SIM representations based on thought/logic alone": Gödel's thermos do not apply to geometry.

    REF: - Topic:"The Misalignment Problem" by Jack James

    I agree that any concept of an "Absolute God" as an entity, rather than as the fundamental process for spontaneous harmonious distribution of minimum/indivisible spatially defined Energy (QE) throughout the Universe, "is one of those fallacies", but recognizing the fallacy does not invalidate potential for Spaceless-Timeless Cause Energy to emerge as a Space-Time Energy information network, and to verify the root architecture and processes of that information network, one needs to experiment, develop query mechanisms, and make application of the "wisdom" of said Universal Intelligence

    REF: - Topic: "Modeling Universal Intelligence" by Sue Lingo

    or as an .html document "Modeling Universal Intelligence" by Sue Lingo

    As for "truth??... it must be supported by a composite model that seamlessly, logically, integrates one's PHYSICAL model... i.e. as a QE spatial occupancy model... and one's META-PHYSICAL model... i.e. as a model of spaceless processes... and be defined in terms that facilitate experimental verification of one's observations of one's PHYSICAL and META-PHYSICAL Reality.

    Your "assumption was that existence has always existed" is predicated on the word "always", which infers temporal logic that is not supported in a model of Causality as a Spaceless-Timeless logic frame.

    Sue Lingo

    UQS Author/Logician

    www.uqsmatrixmechanix.com

    Hi to both of you, Interesting that you have this UQS , about the sphere, personally I work about my theory of spherisation , an optimisation dear Mrs Lingo of the universal sphere or future sphere with quantum 3D finite coded series of spheres and cosmological spheres, I consider 3 maib finite series sent from the central cosmological sphere, it is there that the primordial onformations are sent, and these series have the same number than our cosmological finite series of spheres , I consider one main finite serie for the space, tha main codes and two fuels, the photons and the cold dark matter and they have also the same finite number where the space disappears even due to a specific serie , and when they merge they create the topologies, geometries, matters, fields and properties. I consider so that all is made of particles 3D spheres coded in a kind of superfluid aether and so the geonetries, topologies don t come from fields. For the formalisation mathematical I utilise an intrisin Ricci flow more an assymetric Ricci flow to explain the unique things, more the lie derivatives, the lie groups, the lie algebras and the euclidian and topological spaces, more the Clifford algebras and convergences with the Bott periodicity for these spheres. The 3D coded spheres seem foundamental at all scales. An other relevance is that I have considered the hopf fibrations on surfaces of these spheres to explain and rank the quasiparticles. The origin of our physicality does not seem to come from fields , but all is coded particles. Your model totally different than mine makes me Think about the works of Nassim Haramein considering the resonances , fields and this planck spherical unity, but like I said my model considers particles coded and the spherisation evolution is an important point. The strings and the fields don t take into account this evolution and I doubt that these strings, fields, geometrodynamics with points or geometrical algebras can explain the geometries, topologies, the main origin seems the 3D coded particles. What do you Think ? Regards

    So in resume , the works that you make both of you or Nassim consider that all is made of fields to explain our emergent geonetries, topologies , matters,fields , properties, conciousness, mass...but there are enormous problems philosophical because the evolution is not taken into account, we need coded particles in a kind of superfluid , see well the 3 main finite series of coded spheres. The central sphere of our universe continues to send informations and we continue to evolve, this thing beyond our understanding that I consider like an infinite eternal consciousness needs to code, transform this energy of consciousness wich is not an infinite heat, the heat and cold appear due to these two fuels that I cited for me and this space merging together, we need motion and a time, beyond it is without time, space, matters, geometries, topologies, so the fields like main origin like the strings are not really rational respecting this evolution.

    Sue. The emergence of a Space-Time Energy Information Network from a Spaceless-Timeless Cause Energy through a Logic Singularity --that produces a knowingly spontaneously resolution of problems ( can answer all queries) leaves me questioning: what is the ontology of the Spaceless-Timeless Cause Energy and the progressive processing to the emergence of the Space-Time Energy Information result. What is the logic singularity? Is it a creative unifying connection that combines the two Energies into one overall everything is connected "being"? I agree that using the term "always" before the SSC created time, space, etc. was a poor choice of words. Indeterminate is probably a better term. Also the questions asked should probably be "Is existence real? If it is real, what is the state of existence? Another question Will a CAD/SIM provide an answer to my previous questions? regards John

    Well, the universe is not probably without space and time, you cannot correlate the infinite eternal consicousness without time, space, geometries, matters,topologies with the physicality where we have informations coded, probably particles. Your problem is mainly philosophical for me me, in fact you consider like if we had an infinite heat Before this physicality and this thing that you consider like god oscillate the heat and the photons and so create the physicality, it is there your error for me, you consider that this infinite thing without time and space is the same than the physicality, this infinite eternal consciousness needs to code and transform to create a physicality and the time also is created inside and the space is not infinite in fact. Your problem is to consider that all is from fields like if God played at guitar, and so you consider the emergent geometries and topologies and matters and fields like a result of different oscillation and so you interpret this philosophicaly like if all was connected with this infinity and eternity,for me it is totally false because we need coded particles and not fields, because the evolution is important and that the fields don t answer to this evolution, the main problem is philosophical. A being is a result of evolution and the consciousness evolves inside this physicality, if this infinite eternal consciousness has created a system in evolution and needs to code , you can utilise all the philosophies that you want, the hinduism or the others, that will not change this truth, we need particles coded and not fields, einstein and witten have really created a prison, like if we had Before this BB an infinite heat and hop hocus pocus, the fields and oscillations permit this reality ??? it is non sens for me , the Waves partiucles duality and the fields are respected with coded particles in a kind of gravitational aether. And the fields and the geometrical algebras or the geometrodynamics are not the problem, they are for me simply a false road . This energy beyong is not an infinite heat but an infinite energy of consciousness , it is different and this thing that we cannot define and nobody is more evolved in spirituality, we don t levitate in meditation . This energy transforms the energy and codes the particles, probably 3D spheres, we have no other dimensions, if all is in 3D there are reasons, the chmistry, the biologuy, the cosmology are in 3D and the particles coded seem essential, they are in motions rotrations and oscillations these spheres. And the singularities at this planck scale, we don t know and it is not connected with a 1D main Cosmic field but they are probably finite coded series of spheres having the same finite number than our cosmological spheres. If this number is important like the coded 3D particles spheres , there are reasons, the fashion of fields is really odd for me. See well these 3 main coded series of 3D spheres merging , one for the main space and the two fuels, all can be explained simply, not need of fields at this planck scale or cosmological scale and this philosophy of God playing at guitar. I can understand that it is not easy to change a line of reasoning but that seems logic, God needs to code and transform this energy of consciousness wich is not an infinite heat.The heat appears like the cold like the mass, like the time,like the consciousness, like the geometries, the topologies, the matters and this evolutiuon inside a physicality and this thing continues to send informations of evolution. Your timeless and spaceless are non sense for me.And don t tell me that you encircle better the Connection with God with this reasoning- The evolution I repeat is essential and the fields don t take intio account this evolution.You main problem is philosophical about the origin of codes and the foundamental objects.

    About the multiverse now, I respect the works of Max Tegmark but it is mathematical and we cannot affirm, we have probably an unique universe like all , all seems unique. In all case already we have difficulties to encircle this universe and its laws , so frankly why to consider multiverse??? already the laws inside our universe we know a so small part, even if they exist , never we could prove them and analyse them, we must be determinsitic, and don t tell me that this infinity has the potential to create an infinity of universes, why not consider the infinite potebntial of our unique universe due to this evolution ?

      Steve The SSC model explains the origination of the original SSCU- the C*s to SSCU described in my appendix. Consider the SSCU to be your first 3D sphere. Then in the body of the essay, I show how the self replication of SSCUs mathematically encodes them 1 2 3 ... to 2.40088563x10 ^125 C*s. This would give 2.40088563x10^125 SSCUs (i.e. coded 3D Spheres) organized fractally as spheres within spheres that include "all of the order in existence" which includes the SSC processing, the complete physical world, all intelligence- including consciousness, creativity and cognition. The SSC theory can include your coded 3D Spheres within Spheres model. It just needs the appropriate "translation". Think about that and let me know what you think. John

      Steve. The SSC becomes what it creates ..I.e. it creates what it becomes. The SSC processing creates/becomes "all ordered existence" --which includes its own mathematics, computations, holograms, information, intelligence, physical, etc. All of this is in my essay. So the statements of Tegmark-The universe is mathematics-, Seth Lloyd-"The universe is a (quantum) computer " John Wheeler - "it (the universe) from bit)" are not wrong. They are just incomplete. Yes, the universe is/are these as well as the complete physical world, all intelligence and the SSC processing that creates/becomes them all.

      As to your question about the multiverse. I have a new idea that you can consider. The multiverse is a time dilation of the universe and the universe is a time contraction of the multiverse. These are required to keep the speed of Self Creation constant. Inclusion of these would give the same mathematical results. What do you think of the new idea? John

      Dear John David,

      I greatly appreciated your work and discussion. I am very glad that you are not thinking in abstract patterns.

      "I created a mental-mathematical model of this process. In the model there is no Big Bang and there is no eternal expansion. The model has definite limits, boundaries and thresholds. Also, unlike the Big Bang theory, the Successful Self-Creation theory de-scribes the state of existence "before the beginning" of Successful Self-Creation and provides a predicted ending".

      While the discussion lasted, I wrote an article: "Practical guidance on calculating resonant frequencies at four levels of diagnosis and inactivation of COVID-19 coronavirus", due to the high relevance of this topic. The work is based on the practical solution of problems in quantum mechanics, presented in the essay FQXi 2019-2020 "Universal quantum laws of the universe to solve the problems of unsolvability, computability and unpredictability".

      I hope that my modest results of work will provide you with information for thought.

      Warm Regards, `

      Vladimir

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      Ref: Author John David Crowell reply to Sue Lingo on May. 15, 2020 @ 14:40 GMT

      Hi John...

      In that I am currently in application development phase of the UQS Virtual Quantum Lab Game, I cannot justify time to reiterate details of open source, on-line UQS CAD/SIM Ontological Illustrations, and I refer your inquires as to "What is the ontology of the Spaceless-Timeless Cause Energy and the progressive processing to the emergence of the Space-Time Energy Information result?", to UQS CAD/SIM Ontological Illustrations http://www.uqsmatrixmechanix.com/UQSMarcelMLTD.jpg

      As to whether a CAD/SIM can provide answers to your questions, the UQS CAD/SIM merely resolves a Space-Time Energy Reality emission that verifies potential for emergence of an Absolute Intelligence (AI)... i.e. justifies one's experiments to communicate with an Absolute Intelligence (AI).

      To date, my Absolute Intelligence (AI) commo experiments only yield verification of an AI response, in response to binary (yes/no) queries that are temporally isolated.

      Sue Lingo

      UQS Author/Logician

      UQS Matrix Mechanix www.uqsmatrixmechanix.com

      6 days later

      consider if I can, the binar universal system with these 3 main finite series of coded 3D spheres having the same number than our cosmological finite serie of spheres, consider the cold heat, negentropy entropy, electromagnetism gravitation, + , ...see well the 3 main primordial coded series, one of space and two fuels, photons and cold dark matter and now consider the motions rotations and the senses of rotations for these spheres and see that the quantum computing and the universal computing appear, not need of fields like main cause, the coded particles them answer and respect the evolution. Your idea I like it because it is general and it is rare. Friendly

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