When people have a job, a home and some money they generally don't need guns, nor even want them. Look at your list again. The top one is spiritual freedom to note, so never try to impose 'truths' on someone. The biggest fight is about this, the souls.

It is so true what you tell Ulla, the fact to decrease these sufferings in creating a better life permit to people to have less rage and anger, and so they live differemtly in focusing on their lifes in being happy, so indeed it decreases naturally the necessity to own a gun , in fact it is foundamental , the world needs simply to create better qualities of lifes and the psychology is correlated, it seems evident, that is why these jobs are the main key ,

the most important is to forget our own life sometimes a little bit and work in team , the vanity of course is not a relevant parameter and the persons finding a problem for the most simple goals are not made for this kind of project, I am not better I repeat. This project is very simple generally and I repeat also, we can do it, it can be a success if the good persons are united. Don t never doubt of my sincerity and don t listen the persons against too much vanitious, be yourself and be what you are , the global solutions exist and it is maybe now that we must do it before an add of chaotical exponentials. I know that a general thinker having searched answers in sciences see this universalism like a truth, be what you are , don t fear , be just yourself dear friends. FQXi , the MIT and the members are important and authorities also in all centers of interest , even good politicians and good celebrities, this movement, project can make an incredible revolution, we just act with sciences and consciousness, it is not complicated and in a pure universalism.

Ulla,

You're overthinking it. And you have chosen to metaphorically die on a hill that cannot be defended. You want to convince everyone in the world not to buy a gun because you don't want them to own one. Where is the wisdom in that?

Knowing Ulla, she will not answer because she is wise and don t want to discuss about these kind of discussions where it is not possible to discuss with rationalism, in resume, we have explained our points of vue, and I beleive that indeed it is not necessary to repeat the same things, we know how we think simply, we are free to have our own interpretations and you also, all is sadi about these guns , you, me and Ulla we know how se see them,

Fine with me. I am getting bored with your anti gun snobbery. Just let us know if the Russians decide to take a piece of Findland, and we'll come and help.

bye, forget us , it is better, us we are tired like all by your non sense and ironical thoughts , so forget us and we forget you simply, it is better, make your life , we make our life, bye,

You're likely not capable of interesting conversation.

do you prefer the chinese or the russian or the arab ? we don t want to discuss with you, you are not interesting, nor relevant , so forget us, or you prefer that I tell you this in latin , aqua aquae, aquam aquas, we begin the lesson in latin, milites militem, milites militibus, you understand ? WE ARE NOT INTERESTED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT YOU NOR IF YOU HAVE IDEAS NOW IN FACT so bye bye FORGET US ,you not interesting, you NOT MADE FOR THIS, YOU UNDERSTAND me tell lol?

I doubt this world will have a solution to the global proliferation of firearms anytime in the foreseeable future. I've known people most of my life whom have hunted or have collected both sidearms and long guns and whom have accumulated a wealth of knowledge about them. They're country boys and so better shots than city folk, you sample different calibers on spinners or old paint cans while supper is cooking, then go in and dine and have some wine and sit around and clean the guns afterwards. The histories of different evolutions of weapons is usually discussed and reference books and such stack up on the table with the cleaning kits and talk goes to how they were made, and how in places like Afghanistan many untraceable guns are still skillfully made by the labor intensive handcrafted methods of preindustrial times. Modern weapons manufacturers from numerous nations compete world-wide at international trade shows year round. And many manufacturers aggressively market production output to other countries because only government personnel are allowed to carry weapons in their own, and to generate the necessary capital to produce a functionally competitive and effective firearm they need the volume sales.

That is the global condition which makes it self-defeating to "just say no to guns'. Not that the level of gun violence in todays society isn't correlated to the massive increase in the numbers of available guns over the span of my lifetime. There is no good solution, while modern states are developing high technology methods of 'crowd control' and means of subordinating the general populace. I'd have to go with reasonable background checks and constant vigilance that individual rights and privacies are protected and practiced. jrc

John, rewrite your post on a new thread, we delete the discussions without sense when it is too much personal or odd and when he has nothing to do with this group , so I beleive that your post has not been recorded like I have reported a thread , thanks

    John you spoke about the proliferation and the that you doubt, could you rewrite it here please , regards

    Steve,

    I could paraphrase what I'd said, but in general I doubt that we will see any global collaboration on the proliferation of firearms in the forseeable future. There are just too many vested interests which run the gamut from personal ownership and craftsmen, to high volume manufacturing in numerous countries, many of which aggressively market abroad because in their own country only government personnel can carry weapons but they need to produce in volume for the necessary operating capital. So when there exists such a profusion of mass production world-wide, and an historic distrust of any governing authority having the the means of arbitrary enforcement of what it deems as law and order; it becomes a real concern which James Madison espoused in the Federalist Papers, that the citizens of a State jurisdiction have the means of defending themselves from a larger and more powerful over-reach of Federal power. So I personally support, in the U.S., reasonable background checks on firearm purchasers but with proactive safeguards for individual rights and protections of privacy.

    Steve,

    I should add, because the edit tab is not operational, That I speak from long familiarity with hunters and gun collectors and value their breadth of historical and technical knowledge. And with responsible regard for safety, its fun to plink off a few rounds before dinner and sit around the table and clean the guns afterwards. And #!*##! those old 30.06 bolt actions have a kick! You really want to press the stock hard onto your shoulder before squeezing the trigger or you'll have a half-lame right arm for a couple days! The later vintage AK's were tightened up a lot on tolerances and ported to limit muzzle rise and they actually can be fired from the hip on semi-auto. The early ones were world reknowned and the favorite of a lot of insurgencies because the tolerances were just sloppy enough that they would fire under lots of conditions without jamming on eject. Even today you can occasionally find boxes of old Soviet made steel-case rounds for all the old Kalashnikov variants, but the steel has so much less resilience than brass that on firing the case expands enough to jam in the breach of close tolerance chambers. The early AR-15's, M-16's were engineered to penetrate jungle foliage during the Viet Nam War but had many problems in the field before the bugs were worked out.

    Firearms are terrible things. Responsible gun owners know that. jrc

    John,

    You are quite an expert on some of the background of firearms. Hats off!

    John,

    Guns are no more "terrible things" than are law mowers, weed wackers, automobiles, kitchen cutlery, hammers, paper shredders, hand saws, chain saws or scissors. Any one of those tools can inflict horrible injuries in the hands of a mad man. But you don't make arguments against owning those things.

    Hi John, thanks for this post about these arms, the responsability os owners become essential, it is indeed not a game , and the consciousness must be very developped when we possess these things. I told me yesterday but in fact if we see our past and now , these arms don t disappear we can still utilise an arm from 300 or 400 years old , they don t disappear like the organic things in the compost, the metal is resistant if I can say, we have produced so many arms. Like I said I underastand that they are necessary in this world to protect and disuade and when we have special cases like the wars, but I find sad that we have produced so many arms, guns, weapons. I beleive that the power of disuasion in the high spheres of power is important and if the china, india, europa,USA and the UN work together to disuade due to a force important that can imply paradoxally the points of equilibrium in decreasing their proliferation, but for this they must agree these countries and work together. Regards

    and for Putin, yes , I insist , I have nothing against him but in seeing the informations, I don t understand how it is possible that he is the leader since so many years, he wants to keep his place , and I know that the business of gas from Russia is enormous and that he sell his gas to europa and others, and yes it is a hormonal guy, and you know what , it is the main global probelm these testsoterones and the vanity, you show us the same comportment , so imagine in the high spheres of power, the men like to show their power and satisfy theor hormons like if they were special, it is the human nature and all conscious generalist knows this, we are animals not really evolved and our primitive instincts exist, if you don t understand this, learn the biology and the evolution and the history, all our main global problem come from the unconsciousness and these testosterones simply, the males like to show their power and are vanitious and beleive they are special, maybe the women are less than us , we are simply like this, and if you don t understand this, there is a problem of proudness and vanity still and always, you are like this, it is the reason why you are obliged to answer, to prove to yourself that you are better, you are like all , an animal full of hormons and vanitious wanting to find his place and satisfy his ego, it is a fact, we are all like this at different levels.

    All is said, don t try to be subtle, even this you cannot, if you you are relevant with your gravitons and your philosophy and this BB, me I am mickey Mouse the next president of your country Jason, I insist, make an other passion than physics please , I pray for this , make an other passion, you are I repeat not made for this Jason unfortunally , you try but you cannot unfortunally , sad reality , your reality Jason, now please be a man, and accept, change of passion please, or I don t know me, learn the mathematical tools like the ricci flow, the geometrical algebras, Lie, Hopf, Clifford, learn also the euclidian and topological spaces, the works of Bananch , the homeomorphisms and the symplectic groups or others, try to converge with the works of strings or the twistors of Penrose, or the loops , but please stop to repeat your non sense with your expanding gravitons , they have not an origin, nor a mathametical developments, even the philosophy of this BB is an assumption, are you sure it is ok in your mind ?? maybe you have seen too much movies I don t know me or that your psychotic syndrom of elected eat your mind, but really it is odd , the pity is a weak word you know now