Dear Jason, Mr Ris is not for the socialism, he just explains that we can harmonise both, the liberalism and the socialism can be modern political systems respecting the universal altruism, I am against the exterme socialism or the extreme capitalism, but an equilibrium between both with this universalism can be a good solution global, it is always a question of consciousness in the governances in fact, the keys must be simply given in good hands, in belgium my country the cpountry is divided in two parts, the flemmish and the walloons, and we are without governments since many years and the flemmish wants to divide the country, in wallonia the socialist party has helped in the past a lot but now they are a problem and I can affirm that the psychology of belgians in this part is odd, the socialism indeed can imply serious problems, so I insist about the equilibrium between both, we have in belgium the best social security on this planet and it is well for several reasons but it is not well for other reasons, your country needs a better social security for the forgotten and my country needs a better capitalism conscious for the enterprises simply, it seems good solutions everywhere on this planet, a kind of harmonised capitalism socialism moder universal simply where the consciousness is the main chief orchestra in the governances, it seems evident to reach the points of equilibrium. For this, we need funds, a new revolutionary industrialisation and better governances and better checkings of enteprises without consciousness.

:) thanks Gerhard, I agree indeed, we need help and a good authority to reach these aims, hope this group can success in unifying the good persons and in creating a manifest of concrete deterministic universal solutions where all wins. I beleive we can arrive but it needs time to be credible. I d like to have celebrities to help us , but they need opportunity I beleive , it is the begining and I thank FQXi to have created this group. I have remarked in all humility that the win win adapted to this actual global system seems the most important. What you told about the mantal health is so so important, this psychology is linked and like Ulla told me, the choas is increased if we don t improve this.

:) Indeed it is already spiraling out of control.

What I forgot to state was my new insight from a few days ago:

The formula of Bayes is more than just already part of the Theory of Everything it is already part of the Laws of Everything.

A simple all mathematics and logic encompassing Socratic Yin & Yang seeming Harry Potter formula that shows that the universe must fundamentally be deterministic yet only presents itself as probabilistic.

It also is thus the fundamental law for Human Rights and evidence and proof in the courtrooms and tax laws. Very simple like a game of chess to learn the basics.

The Romans were clever. They said, give food and entertainment to the people so they keep calm. Still the Roman Impere was destroyed.... we are never alone, Jason. US is not alone either, if you happen to think so...

Much work would be better undone. The right hand should know what the left hand does, they should be synchronized.

How big is the US export of weapons, and what could be done in a better way to serve the whole?

Ulla.

Gerhard, I present you a relevant general universalist skilling, Mrs Mattfolk :) she knows a lot

Gerhard,

I think we are of the same mind set in order to get this shit we are heading for sorted out.

We need someone of authority to get that started. I see no other way.

The FQXI is a good starter. Are you some authority? We need to create something attracting good thinkers, and then also celebrities... Also money is no enemy, just a tool to make things possible. What do we use that tool to do? Is the way it works in synch with the whole?

Ulla.

what you tell Ulla is very important and foundamental, we know how these empires, the roamns and egyptians have fallen down due to a lack of global consciousness in their governances simply still and always, and unfortunally we make the same error, everywhere and in USA also. We have not evolved so much in fact. I tell me that it is sad seeing our potential, we go in the wall of chaos if we don t change quickly.We cannot accept this for the universalists knowing that these solutions exist , the future generations shall be in a pure chaos and disorders if we don t solve the main global problems in harmonising them. Like I told, I love the USA and they have a big responsability like the china, india and europa mainly and the others of course have the right to explain their ideas, but the main forces are these countries, china, usa, india, europa, they must take their responsabilities at this UN, and explain to lobbies and odd societies and enterprises that it is this , we change or all we loose soon.

Ulla yes indeed it is a good starter FQXi, and indeed we need celebrities and authorities, I d be honored to have Penrose in this project , he is very relevant and I love his works and ideas, a person like Neil de Grasse Tyson also could be relevant , they are already authorities and it is easier to open several doors for our credibility. The MIT also is relevant, they are the best university and is at New York and that can help a lot also, the responsabilities of universal thinkers for me is a foundamental, it is better to utilise this consciousness than to try to explain it in the formalisation mathematical at my humble opinion. Sometimes we must forget our ego and vanity and individualism and work in team and in complementarity for the globality and common well,

Your link is bad here. Can you correct it, thanks. Makes it difficult to read. Ulla.

Also,

remember that a bad authority is a very bad thing... This is why we first must do our homework here. Ulla.

Hi Ulla,

Indeed a bad authority is bad. I would only see it as a Bayesian prior odds way of using the argument of authority. Ergo never use it as a religious posterior odds for that is the incorrect way namely a fallacy.

In my model you may only idealize one person in the netherlands and that is Sinterklaas (sort of a santa). The exception to the rule.

Had the Romans had the Block model they would of freed the slaves let the rich stay rich, and we would of all still been Romans. Decent bread and decent games.

Roman law would even today work. Just one twist is needed. everywhere were the say dishwashing slave read dishwasher. etc.

Had the yanks had the block model they would of bought the farm i.e. the South and freed the slaves and if they still wanted to work provided them with a decent income. Simple mathematical function of half the GNP.

It would of cost the North far less and earn them much more. Akin the Marshall aid after WWII.

We humans have only just started. We are a bunch of apes on the aperock who have invented nuclear weapon toys before having figured out how the instrument between our ears function. Turning everything into ape shit everytime.

Ulla indeed, we need concrete sponsors and authorities, I don t want to have an odd authority a little bit crazy without consciousness, we must attract the good people, the real universal altruits having concrete solutions where all wins, we must be prudent I beleive simply also with this kind of revolutionary project.

Gerhard, Ulla, Steve,

I prefer to be condemned for the beliefs I really do have, not the ones you think I have. It is unfair to me to have perfectly good oppositional views that you ignore. You treat me like I am some figment of your imagination that you can just deride, gossiping about me like I'm not around. But I am around, I'm right here!!! ;)

I am an American and a Republican. I live in a time when the Democratic party has fooled everyone into thinking that racism is a problem in our country. Democrats are like magicians who point to innocent Americans trying to defend their valid beliefs, their love of country, and call them racists because it shocks everyone like throwing a social grenade in the room! No time for reason or fairness!

As for group think and religion, I happen to think that people who practice the same beliefs also get the same results. I sometimes wonder if Westerners have become too slack, too sloven in how they conduct their business. Maybe they would benefit from some Christian judgemental-ism; but that is just my own pondering, and nothing that would arise to a full scale argument on my part.

If you ask me if the atheist physics community is going in the right direction in their quest for new advanced technology, I would have to disagree with that. Superstring theory and quantum loop gravity are both fatally flawed because they don't actually behave like big bang cosmology. I have offered my own intuitive theory of an expanding graviton, an idea I got from studying the derivation of SR, the spacetime interval, the wave function and various other actual observations of physics.

Steve Defourny tells me I suffer from vanity and that I only value my own ideas. He might be right. I have spent years trying to discuss ideas that could lead to new breakthroughs in propulsion technology and graviton theory. The experiment is difficult to perform. One would have to pass a laser beam through a crystal to obtain pairs of entangled photons. In my view, entangled photons are actually photons that have a graviton trapped between them. An experimental apparatus would have to pass those entangled photons through an optical fiber that is being centrifuged, about a million times each. It's not an easy thing to accomplish, but it would store a gravitational potential energy between the entangled photons, that could be used for propulsion.

Jason,

we have discussed earlier on other sites.always with a bad outcome. You are simply a very much american man. You don't realize what is socialism as instance that we have in Scandinavian countries. You refuse to understand that guns are so much deadly used because of fear, due to unsolved slavery etc. You simply has much to learn still. Like we all have, of course. Nobody knows all, nobody knows the Truth. This group is to bridge that gap between us, not to widen it. Race, culture or so should not make any difference, so we must find what is general for all problems we have.

Yesterday Steve lectured me also for my vanity. It is a human trait to be vanitious, simply. But I also think the ego is a shelter, not totally bad, in Jungian style.

One way Matti once showed me is to imagine you step out from ourself, looking down at you when you act. Then you are more balanced and stable, maybe?

We are all humans sitting in this boat called Earth. We must come along somehow without creating wars and violence, use guns etc.

You also have good points like your graviton thinking.

Best, Ulla.

Hi Ulla,

Thank you for your appreciation of my expanding graviton theory; it would be an answer to my prayers that the physics community abandons superstrings & quantum loops in favor of an expanding graviton model. If this were to happen, it would open the door to all new amazing physics that would allow us to maintain a Martian colony that we could reach in a few hours versus weeks or months.

In America we have a two party system. Ideas from each party engage in contest, and the best ideas are voted for. At least that's how it's supposed to be. But we also have a Bill of Rights. Our second Amendment gives us the rights to bear arms. It's part of our belief in freedom, part of our love of freedom. As Americans, we believe that our people have the right to worship God or not, as desired. But our country is stronger because of our relationship with the Creator.

"You simply has much to learn still. Like we all have, of course. Nobody knows all, nobody knows the Truth. "

I used to believe this was true. But then I found out that what we were supposed to learn was being controlled by people who didn't believe in a Creator and were hostile to the freedoms that I value so dearly. I found out that atheists were controlling the advancement of physics. They were throwing out all evidence that the universe is Intelligently Designed. They were doing everything they could to paint the Creator as some terrible tyrant or a Spinoza god. But the tactics they were using to deny ID was actually blinding the physics community to any meaningful technological growth.

It is, I agree, a shame that we disagree on certain fundamentals. As such, I invite you to open your heart to love and light, God and good. Let go of simplistic solutions that oppress the people. Let the masses be free.

Jason

Jason, first of all , we are all vanitous , me like you and you must recognise this and that you have not the truths in you. You are just persuaded like all humans , but you cannot affirm even if you have spiritual euphory.About God we don t need a lesson about the universal love and altruism, I am a person respectecting all lifes and you don t encircle better god than me you know and you are not a better human because you read the bibble, and that you are a patriot republican catholic, do you respect all lifes on this earth, all religions and all colors, if yes you are good universalist, if no, you must change your mind simply, so I repeat, you cannot affirm that you possess the truth about god, nor in politics, it lacks several things for me in generalising like this, like the arms also that we have discussed on facebook and that you have stopped the friendship, you told that they are a good invention and that all are free in USA to have a gun and you don t recognise that it is in your country that we have the most numerous death with guns, you cannot relativate about the arms , of course when we have wars or others we must act, the problem is not there we know that the humans are odd sometimes and that we are obliged to act with arms, but if you tell me that it si a logic universal creation, there there is a problem for me and you don t really encircle god nor the universalism, do you ebncircle that the borders, the aerms and the money are just human inventions and not universal creations ?? You speak about the mass and the freedom, we have not a globality free in fact even in USA because you are free only if you can pay it , and many persons suffer psuchologically also in your country, and about the socialism, you have not understood that we need a modern capitalism socialism adapted universally, the republicans or the democrats are not right, they must simply work together and help all lifes and sotrt the bad persons.All is a question of consciousness. About your gravitons, it is an assumption simply but I like your ideas and you also, but like all you must prove it and formalise it , if nnot it is just a wind. I make the same for my works and theory and my quantum gravitation quantified.

Hi Steve,

I believe in freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom to bear arms. I choose to believe (based on the evidence of Intelligence Design) that the Creator is the God of Bible. I believe in the right to bear arms.

You are free to believe in the god of Spinoza. You are free to be a universalist.

As for your belief that Marxist socialism is good and Capitalism causes people "psychological damage" LOL, there really isn't much common ground.

Jason

Jason,

Yes, In America we have a two party system, and that is a big part of the problems, you need also a balancing party. With only two parties where a big portion of the administrative people also change you get too many conflicts. Only yes or no is possible many times and you get a fifty-fifty situation.

Here we pay taxes so you get almost free health care. If you get a cancer it is no economic disaster, as instance. Education and police are other big posts we pay for. Unemployment and immigrants also cost. If immigrants start to work they will pay it back many times, so it is not such big problem. In short socialism is to pay for others.

Ulla.

Lol , we are free indeed my friend Jason, this freedom is essential, unfortunally this planet is not really harmonised and the freedom is not really a freedom due to our global system but we evolve, and this freedom is different in function of where we live also and how many we win each month lol, I respect your choices, you respect mine it is essential, I am free to dislike the arms, I am free to beleive that the borders are dedicated to disappear if we survive , I am free to think that we must make a moder capitalism socialism universal and that for me God is a god beyond our understand different than the books writen by intelligent people ,humans , and I am free to like you like a friend dear brother human, and also I am free to think that the 3D spheres are the choice of God :) take care abd be the force with you jedi of the Sphere

This illustrates well the problems we have with religions and firm beliefs. They are not neutral any longer. This is a human trait and a reason to many conflicts and problems. One of the biggest is they are sure they are right, even if one says this and another that. It has started many wars. I truly hope this will not be the reason for a WWIII...

I would be glad if you, Jason, could develope this problem a bit more.

1. you say you respect all, still need a gun 'for protection'.

2. How make different beliefs commute and interact?

3. How save the peace in a multiracial and multicultural world?

maybe more...

Thanks, Ulla.