https://brainworldmagazine.com/its-alive-what-sentient-networks-tell-us-about-human-consciousness/

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Ulla.

Hi Ulla, happy to see you on FQXi, I knew that you d like this blog, he is very relevant indeed this thinker the Dr Edelman, I read several works from him and more I read them, more I am facinated. This consciousness, the brains, the microtubules,the protoconsciousness, the different orders of consciousess, the propagating waves, the inmformations, the memoryt, the links with the DNA, my humble ideas too with the motions rortations of spheres and oscillations more the deformations of spheres , tere is something to analyse deeper aboutr these motions, rotations of spherical volumes and the links with the creations of biological systems due to DNA and the transferts of informations. The memory too seems impotrnmat correlated with the motions of spherical partilces and their complexity more the stabilities of informations considering the volumes and motions.

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[QUOTE="wellwisher, post: 7655541, member: 64918"]Consciousness can be explained with basic principles of science that do not require extra dimensions.[/quote]

The hard problem requires at least four dimensions. Prepare to be amazed by something I wrote in the meditative state of the high.

The higher dimension contains the separation, effecting the non-separation

It goes on further, but聽 that is all I can remember right now. I wrote that in 2007 at the age of 24.

    Hi Mr Hossein, I agree totally this consciousness does not extradimensions and I believe strongly too that our physics don t need extradiemnsions , the strings and geometrical algebras have created consfusions and we could return at this old school with the pure newtonian motions rotations oscillations of particles.

    higher dimensions are not necessary and the 4D can be just quaternions for the changes ands time that we have invented for the duration. And the geomtrical algebras instead to create extradimensions or like in the strings 10D, 11D or 26D, we can just consider a pre 3D at all scales and just fractalisations of this 3D to reach the unknowns, and this 4D for the motions and changes simply with a kind of time wich is not a real dimension but just a parameter for the motions of this 3D.

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    HIGHER DIMENSIONS ARE NECESSARY READ IT AGAIN YOUR STATEMENT IS BASED ON IGNORANCE!!!

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      By combining the opposition between internal and external existence the flaws in both worlds become neutralized.

      This is the role of consciousness.

        Maybe it is better to make an other passion than trying to explain the hard problem of consciousness, it is probably due to an euphory spititual still, you are elected of god maybe too, I read your posts it is total non sense,Higher dimensions are notr necessary, on the other side we fractalise our pure 3D, still one thinking god gives him answers in synchros of fields in his pseudo dimension, make an other passion really. you develop nothing, you just put the same and the same still ironical posts, I insist still a religious mixing sciences and religions and a syndrom of elected, and after what , a lesson about the universal altruistic love too , yes of course, amin

        require at least 4 dimensions, lol the fourth dimension is just a dimension of time for the quaternions for the motions and chanmges, and what are the others lol , a dimension of fields of God synchronised in your brain with deepe meditations too and strings in synchros , for your informations, the strings and the 10d, 11d or 26 D are just mathematical extrapolations to find unknowns, it is not real extradimensions, so indeed stop to tell euphoric spiritual affirmations, you have proved nothing about the consciousness, read the works or rovelli, penrose,hameroff and edelman , after maybe you could be more rational because there frankly , in telling these things on this platform, it is ironical, it is not facebook or linkedin, on this, work your own consciousness and try to be rational and deterministic instead to affirm assumptions

        lol and what are the internal and external existences neutralised , yes this is the role of assumptions....

        If you developped for example a model where the neuronal space and cognitive space are under wavefunctions and transferts of informations and that a kind of complexity appears due to the informations interacting and where the rule of microtubules are taken into acoount more a kind of link with the works of penrose where the protoconsciousnmess is a reality and that there is a kind of cloud about all this sphere of informations interacting ,that could be relevant but no you conme with 2 lines in telling nothing.It is there that the works of penrose and edelman are relevant for the orchestrated objective reduction and in my model we couls consider the motions of spherical volumes and a kind too of 0D of consciousness from a kind of infinite etrnal consciousness, but we are linited still about the real cause of this hard problem of consciousness. The philosophy and sociaology and evolution too seem essential like the dna and the encoding of informations in a kind of spacevaccuum possessing the main codes, but we cannot reach these main codes actually. The electromagnetic waves are important but are not sufficient, that is why we must differenciate the intelligence and the consciousness even with a complexity of informations electromagnetically speaking, So your extradiemnsions and this spiritual euphory , no thanks

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        Please ignore the crank. My responses are nothing short of revolutionary.

          develop because we see nothing there , you wrote this in 2007 but we see no development of the ideas, try to be concrete , we are not on facebook, you tell nothing, you develop nothing, nor in physics, nor in maths, nor in philosophy, we don t know what you tell, we don t know if you have a general model, or a general theory, you tell just some words without real menaing , sorry but it is true

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          Nicholas,

          Indeed. This sums up pretty much what I had in mind when I showed that the 3-dimension limit is equal to the 4-dimension horizon. research paper

          I don't agree with the non-separability of 3 dimensions, though. Obviously, 3 dimensions decomposes into (2,1).

          Your idea can be easily corrected, though -- 3 dimensions decompose into 2, which gives us the complex plane, the structure for 2-dimension analysis, and including the real line (1 dimension). Is 1 dimension real analysis strong enough to project a 4-D boundary?

          Stay tuned.

          Kobi,

          You write as if information accumulates like physical grains of sand that form an Avalanche model (Per Bak). I beg to be corrected on this.

          Can you reconcile your model with a model of quantum mechanics that doesn't collapse (Everett, e.g.)?

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            Kobi, if you're listening ... :-)

            Giving some context to the above, I am working on a paper in which this model plays a role.

            I am comfortable with what I have so far:

            More on nonlinear time.

            We have written our opinion that general relativity - a theory bounded in time and unbounded in space - would suffer little if it were viewed as bounded in space and unbounded in time.

            Time bounded at the Big Bang is compelled by symmetry to follow a linear evolution, and to be closed at both ends (past and future). Unbounded time exists for the same reason that the Schrödinger's cat experiment cannot be prepared with a dead cat--or it can, provided one is willing to wait an eternity for a result. The cat is a 2-state system, , yet one has to consider that the states are not equally likely at the start of the experiment, which is always prepared in the higher energy state.

            The cat and the undecayed particle are prepared independently. The particle half life is statistical; the state of the cat, arguably, is not. The one who put the cat in the box knows whether it is alive or dead.

            Let us stop threatening cats--put a 2-state particle in the box. Say the states are red (dead) and green (live). The path to change is highly asymmetrical; though Red has a non-zero chance of transitioning to Green, it is unlikely. So we bet on Green for the initial condition of the contents of the box.

            Outside the box, the radioactive particle in a non-decayed state also lies in its higher energy state. For the poison in the vial that kills the cat when the particle decays, we don't need a substitute--the radioactive particle emission is sufficient to "kill" the particle in the box, to change its state.

            Actually, though, the isolated 2-state particle will almost always be green, whether or not one is watching. The radiation absorbed by the 2-state particle only causes it to oscillate between states with every exposure. What is the threshold energy that causes the change to steady state red? The decay particle rate is random--yet the asymmetry between the states Green and Red is such that Green is much more likely, opposing the "equally likely" hypothesis that lies at the heart of statistical science.

            The only hypothesis that makes sense to us, is that the simple harmonic oscillator originates inside Earth; i.e., inside any massive body. It's the asymmetry of states that creates a continuous nonlinear action, similar to Per Bak's "avalanche" model of chaotic activity. Bombarded with decay particles, the cat-in-the-box eventually changes, and collapses to ground state. To equilibrium. To a linear time.

            Linear time is the paradox of probabilistic reasoning. Greg Chaitin calculated the halting probability of a Turing machine as Omega. In our context, the lower the probability of a program halting, the greater probability of the program continuing. We should prefer the lower probability if we prefer to exist; we can't exist unless the biological program continues. However, what if rate of decay and rate of growth are both at equilibrium--zero? That is the paradox of a complex, self organized system. Yet it manifests as infinite self-similarity, a Mandelbrot set.

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            I agree that brain science is the coming thing. And mathematics will come with it.

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            Well , The mathematic or physics of the brains are like we know very limited , due to fact that we don t know like I said the philosophical origin of the universe and the same for the foundamental objects and how is really transformed this Energy, We have a mainstream considering the GR and photons like primary essence but they are probably not the only one truth.

            That implies deep philosophical questions. I have personally searched answers since the age of 19 maybe I wast at university in geomlogy, so I have searched answers in reading all the religious books, but they have not given me concrete answers, after I have read the philosophes, I like kant and spinoza, but they are limited too. I have after ranked the maths, sciences, physics, chemistry, biology, animals, vegetals, minerals. ....and it is like this that I found my theory of spherisation which means an optimisation evolution of the universal sphere or future spheres with quantum and cosmological 3D spheres in a superfluidity to make simple.

            I explain all this like this you can understand that I know what is a medictation and I consider a god of spinoza , a kind of infinite eternal consciousees, I have been in the coma too due to epileptic crisis . I have had spiritual experiences and we can feel indeed something but we are on earth and even in deep mediations we are limited . Many I hjave remarked consider this GR and the fields like origin of the universe like if god played at guitar , so they beleive that they can be in synchro in a meditation with a specific oscillation, it seems not true due to several philosophical problems, god seems to act differently. I explain this because a meditation so in logic where the state of consciousness is different is still under the gravitation of our earth and we cannot really go far about the real truth about god even we understand this universal altruistic love .

            You speak about the theory of informations and a pure mathematical state of consciousness, there too we are limited due to fact that we have these limitations and the problem is really philosophical about what is god and this origin of the universe.

            It is not that we have a pure mathematical explaination for the consciousness, we have on the other side a pure universal physoical , mathematical and philosophical mechanism where we are results of evolution with a consciousness in a biological body .It is different and like I said these limitatinsn due to fact that we must complete this standard model with deeper parameters are a reality even with the deepest meditations . Buddah for example told us the same, even if he was wise and aware, he recognised his limitations .

            A quantum state is not really about how we encode the waves functions , the same for the collapse , it is still about this philosophical ^problem of this GR and the waves particles duality and the matter energy equivalence , the philosopy correlated of this GR has really created a prison , end this prison implies so philosophical extrapolationjs which could be totally false about what we are and why we think and live.

            That implies that actually no all this is not testable due to these limitations,methematical, physical, philosophical, and about the foundamental objects.The problem seems really about the collapse and the states of consciousness due to the philosophy of this GR, and so spiritually that implies these confusions about the different places and states .

            That implies that we must go deeper than this GR and deeper in philosophy too about the origin , and at this moment all this is not testable, we can just create some partitions trying to converge with the truth but we have these problems of measurements and the same for the correlated experiements due to these depper scalar , vectorial and tensorial fields. That implies so a kind of humility instead of a kind of syndrom of elected due to meditations in thinkinmg we have understood god.

            That said, congrats for your attemps and general works and ideas, but we must accept these limitations.

            That said all they make a good works with thew grants, we need to find roads and answers, the team of Catalina Curceanu at gran sasso experiments for the model of Penrose , Hameroff, Diosi, the association for mathematical sciences of consciousness, the university of oxford for the computing and consciousness, the institute of future mind,and the others ..... all they work well and need funds indeed to go farer . They are the holy graals this consciousness and this quantum gravitation.

            Hope they take the time to consider my ideas which are a little bit different generally and philosophically but it is true what I tell, we must try to go beyond the box, beyond this general relativity and so that implies deeper fields and parameters and so deeper structures for these spacetimes, not only the spacetime of this GR.

            The philosophy too seems very important and like I explained, we are in a kind of prison due to this GR , the thinkers seem to have difficulties to consider other lines of reasoning now .

            But it seems really that we need to superimpose these deeper logics, and to reconsider the GR like primary essence, it is probably due to this philosophy, and a kind of euphory like I said when einstein has pondered his works, the religions, the scientists, thye philosophes have told, wowwww he has understood god and the light but the light, these photons are just a part of the problem, they are just a tool like this DM and DE for god simply , and after witten is arrived with these strings, branes inside these photons in 1D or wheeler and the points and his geometrodynamics and now all they continue in the same reasoning in trying to go farer about the fields . Te particles and spheres in a superfluidity and the 3 systems that I explained can be true too , they are even more logic philosophically speaking. But it is like this, I accept the endoctrination of thinkers. Einstein was maybe right, witten too, maybe I am right , we don t know simply at this moment but it is always cool and important to be innovative, creative, imaginative and to try to go beyond the actual reasonings. It is food for thoughts.

            I explained this to Bob Coecke on facebook, Have you already thought about the fact that to be conscious the systems maybe must feel , the senses become maybe important , more the deepest parameters and scalar fields to superimpose, Just a thought , I dont know but a conscious system is in motion, and utilise senses and neurons , microtubules, maybe it is important to know the cause philosophical of this result of evolution, the microtubules at their quantum levels more the senses and motions, it is there that there is a difference between the intelligence and the consciousness