George Ellis on EXISTENCE

Georgina Woodward
That is to say ,isn't the proposal of quantum physics the antithesis of relativity ,as it does not accommodate the reason for it' s happening?.

It seems that Relativity is ony taking account of formation of observation products formed from long lasting 'light' that has come from space. Treating the observation products as if they are material objects. ie confusing the seen with indepenently existing matter. That is not all light emitted or reflected within an environment. Emmited and reflected by objects that have come to exist after the big bang ( If it happened.) Later on anyway.

Georgina Woodward
I’m not going to look at the video, but isn’t Alex Parry your son, or your husband?

Georgina,

1. Physicists, rightfully, represent the low-level physics of the world using special symbols, like equations and numbers. But it seems to me that you are, inappropriately, attempting to describe the low-level physics of the world with ambiguous high-level, human language, word, sentence and paragraph symbols.
2. “Block time” is just an interpretation of the physics, it is not the actual physics, and it is not the only interpretation.
3. Physicists attempt to MEASURE the world, which is a way of trying to be objective about the world, and not get subjective consciousness mixed up with the physics of the world. It seems to me that you are, inappropriately, mixing up human subjective consciousness with the physics.

Georgina Woodward
Sounds a bit chicken or egg ;we can have different material objects seen as they are but at different times because of their spatial separation which is also a time separation. So each will give different result because they belong to different reference frames and can not be regarded as the same giving a singular result. Or there is only one time for material source objects to be at.We do not see them though but observation products formed when potential sensory data is received and processed by an observer .Due to their different spatial location they may be different distances from the observer,so it takes different amounts of time from emission or reflection from Source object to observer.Causing an implication of time. The first model is driven by the chosen explanation (3=1d) whereas the second uses a natural process that we know occurs as a starting point. Not equivalent though.

Georgina Woodward

Lorrainne: Definition byIOxford languages DISCUSS; Talk or write about (a topic) in detail, taking into account different issues or ideas.

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Georgina Woodward
GRACE PARRY artist and design advisor
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Neither is co-author. AUTOMATIC SOFTWARE ERROR,IMO

Georgina Woodward
And now, in the above posts, you have twice promoted another close relative, Alex Parry, without mentioning that he is a close relative.

Georgina Woodward
Your monologue didn't "tak[e] into account different issues or ideas".

what about black cat in dark coal cellar, not facing a would be observer but intent on finishing his plate of food. How can that be as it cannot take definite form at a singular place if not observed, according to quantum mechanics?
IF no observation product is formed (too dark) That alone doesnot rule out the possibility of an un-seen material cat. A bit like asking if the moon is there when I don't look. In relativity there are many different possible seen moons depending on the position of the observer. If one shuts his eyes,for himalone the moon ceases to be a part of his vision but it is still seen by the others and still exists as a material object , affecting tides

Georgina,
I don’t agree with your piecemeal way of looking at the world. I think that the world has to be looked at as a whole.

I think that “WHAT EXISTS” is a self-contained, standalone, world, that of necessity knows itself and moves itself, because there is NOTHING OUTSIDE the world doing any of it. Everything else that exists, including an aspect that we would label “time”, only exists as a consequence of the primary existence of the self-contained, standalone, world, that knows itself and moves itself.

A world that is structured:
Physicists have found that the world is structured, or has structured itself, into category, relationship and number aspects, aspects that physicists symbolically represent with equation symbols, and category and number symbols.

A world that knows itself:
While physicists might symbolically represent aspects of the world with equations and number symbols, the actual world underlying these symbols necessarily knows its own relationships between categories (like mass or position) and the numbers that apply to these categories. It would be logically impossible for the world to operate, if the world had NO inkling, no knowledge, of its own specific relationships, specific categories and specific numbers. A basic knowledge aspect of the world is a logical necessity. And clearly, this knowledge aspect has been found to be individual and point-of-view, and not global and God-like.

A world that moves itself:
Nothing moves the world except the world moving itself; the world causes its own movement; the relationships that structure the world are the secondary movers, not the primary movers in the world. Movement is symbolically represented as number change, or number jumps, where these numbers apply to categories like the relative position category. In this way of looking at the world, “time” is not number change, but KNOWLEDGE of number change, where these numbers always apply to categories. So “time” is like a higher-level category, not a structural dimension.