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Georgina Woodward
With energy protons ,neutrons and electons are able to hold together as atoms. The atoms composition gives the elements. These can be brought togthrer to form stuctues, even organisns. The energy, existence in the form of particulate constituents of atoms or substance between, which can not be seen only known by it's effects, is not outside of the material uUniverse but part of it

      Georgina Woodward
      Some people may like to associate funamental aspects of the universe with a deity. Energy (the cosmic dancer, who keeps the universe turning by his dancing and destroyer,Shiva) and matter, preserved, maintained, built up, not sucumming to entropy (the material nature of the Universe, Vishnu the preserver) and creation (structure, organisation ) from them (by Brahma, the Creator or by God the father, creator of Heaven and Earth ) within their environment. The immaterial Holy spirit, said to be the Lord the giver of life and he who spoke through the prophets , presumably energizing and inspiring them. Maybe associated with energy itself or unseen substance acting in the Universe.
      Deities associated with the fundamental characteristics of the Universe are mythological analogies for them, imo.

        Georgina Woodward
        EDIT OF EALIER POST;'that is called the measurement problem of quantum physics,; this at what stage in the theoretical proccess the wave function of an object under consideration colllapses or decoherence actually happens. At which point matter having definite form and location, rather than a superosition'
        i have crossed out the words or decoherence because, this is a term that applies to the hypothetical situation were wave function collapse happens, in particulae circumstances, due to interaction with the environment. I have used the word incorectly as an alternative expression of the term wave function collapse -withsamde ra5ther thandifferrent specific meaning.

            Georgina Woodward
            CORRECTED COPY OF EALIER POST
            'Mathematics is a language. It can be used to describe the position of something,or distance between things, if used with a co-ordinate system or a reference frame. But application ,that is abstract superimposition, of the co-ordinates or referernce frame on the material world. It is not an objective process ; That is what is shown by the different findings for train length found in 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies. Lorraine seems to think that that is higher level psychology, taking that fact into account. As if there is just one true objective measurement that can be made. This mistake is similar to the posititon taken by the ERP challenge to quantum physics.
            Despite giving us Relativity , Einstein wants a singular predetermined objective reality. SR is incomplete and qantum physics (not its only problem) is too because this is missing."

                Georgina Woodward
                SPELLING CORRECTIONS, AND I THINK IT IS BETTER IF THESE TWO POSTS APPEAR TOGETHER.THE SECOND PART REFERS TO THE CONTENT OF THE FIRST.

                "That is the connecion with consciousness., often but not necessarily it is a conscious human organism' s point of veiw that is imposed. THE OBSERVER DOES NOT HAVE TO BE CONSCIOUS , they could be a device with circuits or any device capable of coversion of a sensory input to a different product. Which makes it an obsever and not just an object.
                For clarity , it is not enough to choose which viewpoint. It must also be applied to have theoretical wave function collapse That is to say an outcome must be found."

                  Georgina Woodward
                  The words " or decoherence" in bold was also meant to be struck through .The term has been incorrectly used, asuming it to have the same meaning as "wave function collapse". Whereas it applIes in cases of theoretical wave function collapse that happen because of interaction with the environment of the experiment . That is not what I wanted to say.

                      Georgina Woodward
                      EDIT OF THE EDITED POST, WITH SPELLING CORRECTED AND MISUSE OF A TERM INCORRECTLY SHOWN, EXPLAINED.
                      EDIT OF EALIER POST;'that is called the measurement problem of quantum physics,; this at what stage in the theoretical proccess the wave function of an object under consideration colllapses or decoherence actually happens. At which point matter having definite form and location, rather than a superosition'
                      I have crossed out the words 'or decoherence' because, this is a term that applies to the hypothetical situation were wave function collapse happens, in particular circumstances, due to interaction with the environment. I have used the word incorectly as an alternative expression of the term wave function collapse -with same rather than differrent specific meaning.
                      CORRECTION OF POST THAT FOMER POST IS REFERING TO.

                          At the locaton of the would be observer is material -Now ,That is where things happen. We cannot alter material events that have already happened, even not yet seen becasuse of the distance of the observer from the event.
                          Action (happening) and hence agency(ability to make things happen) is local . theoretical m entanglenent is not existing reality, it was proposed as an explanation of certain experimental results found when a specfic threory is appled which has a particular associated metaphysics. Which means that there are certain assuptions that apply in the background

                          Georgina Woodward
                          in case you missed it. Here is the solution to the measurment problem.
                          I wrote the following among earlier posts. 'Mathematics is a language. It can be used to describe the position of something,or distance beteen things, if used with a co-ordinate system or a reference frame. But application ,That is ABSTRACT superimosition, of the co-ordinates or referernce frame on the material world. It is not objective ; That is what is shown by the different findings for train length found in 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies. Lorraine seems to think that that is higher level psycology taking that fact into account. As if there is just one true objective measurement that can be made. This mistake is similar to the posititon taken by the ERP challenge to quantum physics.
                          Despite giving us Relativity , Einstein wants a singular predetermined objective reality. SR is incomplete and qantum physics (not its only problem) is too because this is missing.'

                          'Related to this problem, to do with using ( abstract ) nunbers; that are only fixed and unitary when the co-ordiate system or reference frame to which they belong is selected , to describe existential material reality; is what is called the measurement problem of quantum physics,; this at what stage in the theoretical proccess the wave function of an object under consideration colllapses[ or decoherence ]actually happens. At which point matter having definite form and location, rather than a superositionof possibilities postulated by the theory'.

                          For clarity , it is not enough to choose which viewpoint,. It must also be applied to have theoretical wave function collaspse That is to say an outcome must be found.',''[WITH SPELLING CORRECTIONS]

                          "That is the connection with consciousness., often but not necessarily it is a conscious human organism' s point of veiw that is imposed. THE OBSERVER DOES NOT HAVE TO BE CONSCIOUS , they could be a device with circuits or any device capable of coversion of a sensory input to a different product. Which makes it an obsever and not just an object [continued]
                          or it could be that the measuring apparatus is applied witha particular orientation that fixes the reference frame.
                          This is something significant, not appreciated, at the heart of quantum physics.

                              6 days later

                              Georgina Woodward
                              Quatum type unusual behaviour and gravitry of the macroscopic and astromomic:; An alternative explanation of quantum expriments is that rather than a wave function that is nonlocal , a local particle causes a sympathetic wave in the space filling substance of the environment. It can be divided and interfere with the other part if recombined. Too large to cause sympathetic vibration of the unknown space fillling substance. Unknown because it can't be seen,.Transmitting rather than reflecting light. The presece of the macroscopic or astronomic body causes defomation of the substance filling space (the void) around it. Verry different from THE EFFECT OF QUANTUM SIZE PARTICLES. That should tell us we (physics) have been using the wrong model.

                                  Georgina Woodward
                                  What I mean by this statement;
                                  A cooling macroscopic object for example, can be thought of as sheding infra red photons. As they are released to the environment from the cooling object, their motion (The photon particle's motion ) will cause waves in it. Even if divided and recombined, the resuting interference of the waves will not be strong enough to effect the position of the macroscopic object. Only the macroscopic object s condition is considered..

                                    The solution to the measurement problem is applicable measurement is made. Having applied a certain reference frame or chosen orientation of apparatus . Particles created as a pair have an orientation that they aquire during the process of making a pair, there is no need for superposition, wave function, or its collapse. In either case we are dealing with a ''seen this way '' outcome. The state isn't just then becoming a material reality, appreciated via the forming of observation products or experimental results that can be appreciated via the senses. The state can be described and commiunicated because of the relatioship formed with the oberver or the relationship between the existing orientation of particle and a certain orienttation of apparatus. This goes back to the double slit expriment (Young ). Particle waves were selectedas the explanation rather than wave properrties of the substance filling space. Also able to explain the findings.

                                      As Sabine Hossenfeldser says in her video. Chaos is a problem for quantum mechanics. This has been known about since 1950s. Chaos is modelled by a non linear equation but the equations of quantum mechanics are linear. The equations of quantum mechanics therefore do not agree with obsevation, It can appear to correspond upto the Erhenfrest time limit (How long there is correspondense between the quantum system and the classial description )but then will disagee. To try to overcome the problemit is said that Hyperion as an example of a chaotic system (being effected by dust and photon particles hitting the moon, changing its motion ever so slightly.) By frequently updating the chaotic equation is replaced by tiny
                                      linear processs ,frequently taking account of interaction with the environment .This is an example of so called decoherence.

                                      Georgina Woodward
                                      The equation for a superposition (values from surface of a bloche sphere or state space) is a mathematical structure represented in a mathematical space called Hibert space not a material object in 3 d space or 3+1 space-time ,Space and time used by Newton orr space-time used by Einstein. They are too different to be recconsiled. We don't have anadequate way to describe the superposition before collapse using words

                                        Science should not propose an explanation for a happening ,a phenomenon or entity that is entirely unknown in type, not adequately describable by the English languagr ands unlike any thing else in existence. The same happenings can be explained by waves. They are divisible can be recombined causing interference .That interfererence could potentiallyt effect the location in which the particle is detected. It just needs the void not to be empty but filled either with a very fine grained substance, smaller than the particles we know-maybe "quark soup". Or even less structured being a uniform consisteny and continuous. This overcomes the issue of spooky action at a distance , and how light is transmitted without a medium to host waves.