Essay Abstract

Who is the observer in a process of scientific experiencing of the universe? Is observer part of the mind or is observer consciousness itself. We will explore this subject here by studying the role of observer in a process of experiencing of time. Today in physics there are two fundamental approaches to time. The first and most common approach says we use clocks to measure the time component of space-time, space and time being cofounded as the basis of physical reality. However this approach has no experimental support. There is no evidence whatsoever that clocks measure one aspect of space-time, and in truth we cannot observe space-time at all. The second approach says time is cofounded with motion through space. This approach is supported by experiment and observation. We employ clocks to accumulate local internal motion, and then use the result to calibrate duration. This is then employed in the measurement of external motion or material change, and the comparative rate of such change. Our evidence tells us that this rate of change varies with gravity, being commonly known as gravitational time dilation. However we can only measure space and motion, not time, and thus we must assert that the true basis of fundamental reality is space and motion rather than space-time. Time is run of clocks in space. Space itself is timeless. Non-awakened observer experiences run of clocks indirectly through psychological time of past-present-future. Awakened observer experiences time directly as a run of clocks in timeless space. Awakened observer is conscious that linear time past-present-future is merely model of the mind and that universe itself is timeless. Awakened observer is also conscious about himself. He is consciousness itself.

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Diploma "geodesy engineer" in 1980 University of Ljubljana, Slovenia Working as engineer 7 years in company Hidro Koper From 1987 to 1990 working at University of Ljubljana as an independent researcher on the subject of relation between gravity and life. From 1990 to 1999 searching on relation "time-gravity-consciousness". 2000 founding "Space-Life Institute" in Italy From 2000-2006 published around 40 articles in several scientific journals about time, gravitation, cosmology and bio-cosmology.

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Eng. Sorli, How can your assertion be falsified? If it cannot be falsified then can it be 'scientific' (after Sir Karl Popper) and, if not, physics? Thank you.

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Hi Amrit. I applaud your efforts.

Time is dependent upon the integrated extensiveness of being, experience (and space), and thought.

The self represents, forms, and experiences a comprehensive approximation of experience in general. This is why the Common Chimpanzee lives two thirds as long as we do -- in captivity, of course; as they are between (in the middle of) our dream and waking experiences in regard to BOTH time and the integrated extensiveness of their being and experience.

NOTE: Significantly, dreams occur during/across the one third of our lives that we spend sleeping, as you know.

You may want to quote/consider what I have written in your future work. My various writings are definitely of interest to you.

I will be entering this contest.

Best of luck.

Frank Martin DiMeglio (author)

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Hi Amrit,

Thanks for your great article. Have you read "The Serial Universe" by J.W. Dunne? He exactly addresses the role of the observer and self-consciousness in science and how that logically leads to the appearance of time. His conclusion is that an observation-only based science will find paradoxical results like time as an infinite regression, laws of relativity and QM.

You can find it here: The Serial Universe

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Hi Steven

I like Dunne description of time: time divides subject and object. Yes, atemporal experience is non-dual.

yours Amrit

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Thank you for taking the time and the trouble to read my essay and for your kind asssessment of its worth. Reality confusion I feel is caused by one not understanding that no observer's eyes are ever in a fixed position and therefore nothing that the observer observes can ever be in a fixed position. I would also like to know why not a single woman has ever spent a moment of her time trying to determine what conditions on earth were like millions of years ago.

Hi Joe

Quantum space is a concrete physical space in which stellar bodies are moving.

It is made out of quanta volume of Planck.

Question here is how concept of quantum space is compatible with concept of space-time. In a given volume of physical space where is space and where is time, how space and time are building physical space? There is no answer on this question; nobody is able to explain how space-time builds physical space.

Solution is that quantum space itself is timeless. In quantum space "before" and "after" exists only in a sense of numerical order of physical events that we measure with clocks. So time is information about numerical order of physical events.

Time is not part of space. Space-time is only a mathematical model that describes motion of objects and particles in timeless quantum space.

Unconscious observer is not aware of above. He experiences events through the inner time that is result of neuronal dynamics.

Conscious observer is aware of above. He experiences change as they run. Inner time has no influence on him.

Conscious observer will connect GR and QM, he will develop physics where time will be merely an information about change in timeless universe.

"Millions years ago" exists in physical reality only as numerical order of events.

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This essay presents a topic that does what the best physics does: it pushes recognition of the need to control for subjectivity in the very conceptual language used by human minds to contemplate and describe physical reality. Time is a useful concept for humans; so much so that it has been seemingly objectivized in much philosophy and global standardization. This essay therefore overcomes an enormous amount of ideological momentum in exposing how time is not an actual fixture of the natural universe, but rather a conceptual human artifact used to make sense of it. Instead of arguing about the reality of time's existence, readers should take this essay as an opportunity to explore the difference between subjectivity and the objective world it imagines itself to observe directly. The universe may be timeless, but can humans conceptualize it as such? Thanks to this essay, some may get a little closer.

Dear Doug Huffman

You wrote:

Eng. Sorli, How can your assertion be falsified? If it cannot be falsified then can it be 'scientific' (after Sir Karl Popper) and, if not, physics? Thank you.

My answer:

All ma assertions are based on elementary perception.

1. We observe with eyes only change in the universe

2. Time as physical reality is not observable.

3. Conclusion is that time is created between perception and experience, means in the mind.

Change - senses (observation) - mind processing in time - experience

Do you have better solution? Please present it here.

Sincerely yours Amrit

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As many years ago Wheeler wrote the future physics will be a science of informatic and we observe it now. The people can build first quantum computers which which works even 0.1 seconde. It is very little but it is a begining of the real quantum informatic.

The experiments in last years show that information is quantized only. The whole physical world is also quantised, because of the quantized information - said Anthon Zeilinger.

If everything is quantized so there isn't something like time.

Our reality is created of the information about quantum events. A quantum event is a simplest change and there isn't time or time dilation on that level.

Dear Czeslav

We all agree that universe change on macro and micro level

The fact is that on micro level measurable time t for some change is zero.

This simply means that some change i.e physical events are immediate; as gravity and EPR experiment and other i present in my essay.

How physical event can happen in time zero. This simply means that event happen in space only and not in time. Time is merely information about event we obtain with clocks.

So quantum space is timeless and is a direct energy and information medium for some quantum phenomena.

Linear Time we experience is of the mind. Awakened observer knows that.

It is question of few years this fact will enter main stream also thanks to FQXI that makes possible tom present this ideas here.

Yours amrit

PS

»time dilatation« means that in certain circumstances speed of events slows down - explaind in my essay

There is no time running in the universe, never ever someone perceive time with eyes

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My entire post got lost suddenly and it becomes difficult now to recollect what i wrote , as it was coming sponatneously to me, instantly! That is the problem of electronics/computer operated display. technology may be good but it does affect human capability at the personal level somewhat. See no one is doing Physics of the type that won Nobel prizez in the good past. Now, even corallory type research or a collection of lot of such research brings in such awards.

Let me recollect some points as below:

1. The universe has gotten created and humans had no role in it. We can not add anything additional here; only what we can make by combining somethings that already exist.

2. We can understand the whats and hows of the phenomena taken place but we can not examins the whys!

3. Science is based on concepts that we generate. If the expalnations get acceptance of alrge number of us and gets time tested, it receives sort of approval. However, it still may get modified if newer facta emerge.

4. All instruments that we may make , will always have limitations in accuracy and precision. We can only impriove upon with technology but can never eliminate. Similarly, QM has introduced theoretical limitations in explanation of the phenomena taking place in the micro-world.

5.Our level of consciousness has to match the level of universal consciousness that may well have created this physical Universe. We do not yet have any explanation for what existed prior to the Big bang that may explain how the Creation resulted in physical mass/energy release at such a large scale.

6. To me, Gravity has played a mysterious role in the early universe and now playing any such role anymore. gravity is also defying its unification with the other three force/fileds we know. By the way, these four filds have not emetged simulatatneously with the creation of the Universe. The time sequence was gravity,nuclear strong, e.m. and then last the nuclear weak.That conforms to what we know scientifically about the evolution of the Universe.

7. dark matter and dark energy mystery is also tied to the point made above.

Let me close the post here as i am unable to recollect other points i thought of in the first instance. Let the general discussion continue between us, including all the others coming to this site

Dear Narendra

Regarding creation of the universe I'm sceptical. Why universe should be created? There is a need of creation. According to my research universe is a system in a constant dynamic equilibrium, no beginning and no end. Universe is timeless. Julian Barbour wrote a book in 1999 "The End of Time - The Third Revolution of Physics", I wrote book with the same title in Slovene in 1990 "Konec Casa".

For me "Third Revolution of Physics " will be discovering of "inner time" on the large scale; all physicists will discover that time is part of the mind and universe is absolutely timeless. With clocks we obtain time merely as information about numerical order of events that run in space.

In space "past" and "future" exists only as a numerical order of events.

Until you do not discover inner time you experience events running in linear time.

Once you discover inner time you experience events running in space only as they run.

yours amritAttachment #1: 2_5._Active_Galactic_Nucleus_As_A_Renewing_Sistems_Of_The_Universe.pdf

Actually with clocks we measure speed and numerical order of physical events.

So time is information about speed and numerical order of change.

Would be more correct and say that with clocks we provide information about speed and numerical order of change, where symbol "t" means numerical order of change and that stream of change itself is timeless.

I would use term "time" only in relation to "inner time".Attachment #1: TIME_IS_INFORMATION_ABOUT.pdf

The universe is in a continuous change. A change n gets transformed into a change n+1, the change n+1 into a change n+2 and so on. Clocks measure a frequency, velocity and numerical order of change. Changes do not occur in time, changes occur in space only. Time is not a part of space. In the space there is no past and no future. Past and future belong to the inner time that is a result of neuronal activity of the brain.Attachment #1: With_Clocks_we_Measure.........pdf

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very interesting.... just so on......

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I agree. Time does NOT exist.

If we think about totaly empty space (not universe)

we can see that there is no mooving - no time.

So in reality exists only mooving.

Diferences in mooving we call "time".

So - "travelling in time" is product of a stupid mind.

Hi Jurij

Big mistake is idea that there is no motion without time, motion happens in timeless space, we measure velocity of motion with clocks, symbol "t" in physical formulas means "tick" of clock that run in timeless space

yours amrit