Awakening of the Observer in Physics by Amrit Srecko Sorli

Hi Amrit:

You basically evaded what I wrote.

Your work/concepts would be centrally and fundamentally benefitted/improved by the ideas in this and my prior post. Again, how do you see these ideas as being consistent with the ideas in your essay?

The ability of thought to describe or reconfigure sensory experience is ultimately dependent upon the extent to which thought is similar to sensory experience. Dreams make sensory experience in general (including gravity and electromagnetism) more like thought. Accordingly, the unification of Maxwell's and Einstein's theories (in a fourth spatial dimension) is plainly and significantly evident in/as the dream. Dreams involve a fundamental integration and spreading of being and experience at the [gravitational] mid-range of feeling BETWEEN thought AND sense. Dreams add to the integrated extensiveness of being, experience, and thought in and with time.

I keep telling the participants at FQXi that the natural and integrated extensiveness of being and experience go hand-in-hand -- in and with time as well. I have proven this definitively.

The self represents, forms, and experiences a comprehensive approximation of experience in general. Also, the self represents, forms, and experiences comprehensive approximations of experience in general. If the self did not represent, form, and experience a comprehensive approximation of experience in general, we would be incapable of growth and of becoming other than we are.

Do you disagree with this and my prior post? If so, clearly and specifically explain why please. Thanks.

You cannot get out of this either, as it is a fact:

Dreams are an emotional experience that occur during the one third of our lives that we spend sleeping, because emotion is one part (or one third) of feeling, emotion, and thought. Consistent with this, both feeling and thought are proportionately reduced in the dream. Thoughts and emotions are differentiated feelings. Dreams are essential for thoughtful and emotional balance, integration, comprehensiveness, consistency, and resiliency. Indeed, emotion that is comprehensive and balanced advances consciousness. If the self did not represent, form, and experience a comprehensive approximation of experience in general, we would be incapable of growth and of becoming other than we are.

How is this consistent with your ideas on time in your essay? Please do explain.

Thank you. I am very serious about advancing the truth/understanding.

Sincerely, Frank

Hi Amrit,

I am surprised about your opinion that "Physical space itself is therefore timeless; "There is no experimental evidence whatsoever to support the view that space-time exists".

I can show you experimental evidence to support the view that space-time really exists by two methods. First, we can detect the space-time foam experimentally. The existence of space-time foam proves that space-time really exists.

Ronald J. Adler, On the detectability of quantum spacetime foam with gravitational-wave interferometers, 2000.

A second method: I can prove you that space and time, extension and duration are real things by following experiment:

What happen if we remove the spacetime from a vessel? It means that inside of vessel disappears the extension and duration property. What will see there the external observer? The sides of the vessel should thus come into proximity at near-luminal speeds, and the clocks placed near vessel should tick slower. Thus, if we remove space-time from region, the observer must register time dilation and length contraction (because extension and duration properties disappears). Thus, we can detect such processes by help of two atomic clocks or gravitational interferometer. There is description of such experiment here:Absolute vacuum.

It is the best proof that space-time really exist.

Amrit, you didn't answer the questions again. Do not speak to me in riddles.

I am EXTREMELY intelligent. I see through smokescreens immediately. Speak clearly and specifically.

Your ideas on time are not in accordance with those of this post, are they?

What follows in this post has tremendous and undeniable implications/significance regarding time Amrit. Admit it.

"The ability of thought to describe or reconfigure sensory experience is ultimately dependent upon the extent to which thought is similar to sensory experience." AND "Dreams make thought more like sensory experience in general."

I say: "The fundamental laws of physics must be unified and also understood in a fashion that allows life and experience (in general) to be. Consistent with this, dream experience is essential to the proper (and complete) understanding of both life and experience in general."

The fundamentally interactive nature of being, experience, and thought is undeniable.

Dreams make sensory experience in general (including gravity and electromagnetism) more like thought. Accordingly, the unification of Maxwell's and Einstein's theories (in a fourth spatial dimension) is plainly and significantly evident in/as the dream. Dreams involve a fundamental integration and spreading of being and experience at the [gravitational] mid-range of feeling BETWEEN thought AND sense. Dreams add to the integrated extensiveness of being, experience, and thought in and with time.

The natural and integrated extensiveness of being and experience go hand-in-hand -- in and with time as well. I have proven this definitively. Witness the following:

Dreams are an emotional experience that occur during the one third of our lives that we spend sleeping, because emotion is one part (or one third) of feeling, emotion, and thought. Consistent with this, both feeling and thought are proportionately reduced in the dream. Thoughts and emotions are differentiated feelings. Dreams are essential for thoughtful and emotional balance, integration, comprehensiveness, consistency, and resiliency. Indeed, emotion that is comprehensive and balanced advances consciousness. If the self did not represent, form, and experience a comprehensive approximation of experience in general, we would be incapable of growth and of becoming other than we are.

The totality of the system/experience has to be considered Amrit.

Do you agree with this: "The fourth dimension must be understood as additive (in regard to space) as well as being subtractive (on balance) as well." How would you account for this?

The self, represents, forms, and experiences a comprehensive approximation of experience in general. Also, the self represents, forms, and experiences comprehensive approximations of experience in general. If the self did not represent, form, and experience a comprehensive approximation of experience in general, we would be incapable of growth and of becoming other than we are.

The 4th space dimension gives us Einstein's theory of gravity (general relativity) AND electromagnetism (Maxwell's theory of light). We know this.

Moreover, it is common sense that this union is plainly and obviously evident in our experience.

1) I have demonstrated a comprehensive union and balancing of gravity and electromagnetism/light.

2) Dreams improve upon the integrated extensiveness of experience and thought.

3) Dreams involve a fundamental integration and spreading of being and experience at the MID-RANGE of [gravitational] feeling between thought AND sense.

4) Dreams make thought more like sensory experience in general (including gravity and electromagnetism).

5) The ability of thought to describe or reconfigure sense is ultimately dependent upon the extent to which thought is similar to sense.

My understanding/description of how the dream constitutes the union of gravity and electromagnetism/light is complete, fundamental, simple, comprehensive, and consistent. It is lacking nothing.

See: The Dream Fundametally Balances and Unifies Gravity and Electromagnetism

http://radicalacademy.com/studentrefphilfmd13.htm

I have even mathematically demonstrated/proven it in a fundamental fashion; as I have shown the three to one (one third) relation of BOTH space (the three space dimensions in relation to the 4th space dimension) AND time (3 to 1 in Einstein's theory of gravity) in dreams; as dreams occur during the one third of our lives that we spend sleeping. Or, you could say that the extension in space (three to one, or one third) is consistent with extension in time. Note: there are three parts of time as well -- past, present, future.

Electromagnetism/light and gravity are fundamental to life. They are united in the dream. The totality of experience has to be considered.

To think that the union between Einstein's theory of gravity and electromagnetism (i.e., Maxwell's theory of light) is not plainly and significantly obvious/manifest in our experience is one of the greatest blunders regarding lack of common sense that I have ever seen.

Electromagnetism involves extremes of feeling, brightness, visibility, size, and energy. Gravity and electromagnetism/light are united at the [gravitational] mid-range of feeling between thought and sense. When scale is balanced, gravity is repulsive and attractive as electromagnetic energy/light and feeling. I have demonstated all of this in/as the dream.

Demonstrate gravity as attractive and repulsive -- in keeping with relatively constant (and proper) lighting, energy, and brightness -- in a space that is at once understood to be larger and smaller. The space must also be invisible and visible at once. I have demonstrated ALL of this in/as dream experience.

You now have electromagnetism/light as gravitational space. Space manifesting as BOTH gravitational AND electromagnetic/light energy. (Constant energy as well.)

The union of gravity and electromagnetism/light in a fourth spatial dimension completes, balances, and extends Einstein's theory. (Don't forget, Einstein's theory is incomplete, as it shows that space/the universe is EITHER expanding OR contracting.) It demonstrates thought that is more like sensory experience in general. The ability of thought to describe or reconfigure sense is ultimately dependent upon the integrated extensiveness of thought, experience, and being. Indeed, the ability of thought to describe or reconfigure sense is ultimately dependent upon the extent to which thought is similar to sensory experience. Dreams make thought more like sensory experience in general. Dreams involve a fundamental integration and spreading of being and experience (including thought) at the mid-range of feeling BETWEEN thought AND sense.

I have unified gravity and electromagnetism/light in and with time. How does your essay relate to this? How is your essay consistent with this please?

Thanks, Frank

Amrit, your responce is not correct.

I agree, that physical time t exists as a tick of clock. But please understand my arguments:

Let we have a conteiner. Then we remove the space-time from conteiner. It means that the propery of extension and duration disappear inside of container. What the external observer should see here? The sides of container come into a poximity with one another and the clocks placed near tick slower.

Thus the appearance of time dilation near our vacuum chamber is the proof that we can really remove space-time from chamber. It is the proof that both time and space REALLY EXIST. More information here.

Your timeless theory is wrong. The experimental detection of spacetime foam is another proof that both space and time really exist.

Sorry, the above link "More information" do not work. There are more information about how to remove the space-time from the chamber here:

http://www.fqxi.org/data/essay-contest-files/Leshan_Leshan.pdf

"you agree that time is tick of clock. If you agree on that than follows: medium in which clock tick is timeless."

In timeless medium clocks can neither tick nor exist! There is another experiment:

Let us construct a timeless medium. Let us remove both space and time from chamber: we made a hole in space and time. Inside of hole the distance between any two points is equal to zero and time does not exist. Thus, if we increase the concentration of holes in space, the distance between every two clocks contracts and the time slow down. In the limiting case, when space consists of holes only, the distance between any two points are equal to zero and the time dilation is infinite!

Thus, in timeless medium (in hole) clocks can neither exist nor tick because the sizes of clocks are equal to zero. If we remove DURATION, the extension also disappear! Because it is spacetime.

Since near gravitating bodies appear length contraction and time dilation, it is the proof that space and time really exist. And we can create holes in space and time. I can prove it experimentally: Let we place clocks near a vacuum chamber. Then I remove the all the matter from chamber including space-time. If the time dilation appears near our chamber, it is the proof this theory is true!

How to remove the space-time? By Descartes method: we must remove all the body from chamber without permitting another body to occupy its place.

"you can not remove space-time from chamber because space-time does not exists a phsical reality"

I can prove EXPERIMENTALLY that I can remove the space-time from the chamber. It will means that space and time really exist.

You agree that the usual Torricelli's vacuum cannot slow down time. If we place the clocks near a usual vacuum tube (TV kinescope), we never observe the time dilation effect. Now I'll create the absolute vacuum (a hole in space and time) and the clocks should tick slower. We must observe experimentally two effects - 1) the walls of vacuum chamber come into proximity at near-luminal speeds; 2) the appearance of time dilation effect. It is the proof that both extension and duration disappear inside of vacuum chamber.

How to remove really all matter from the chamber, including space-time? By using the Einstein relativity. No signal can move faster than c. Thus if we remove matter from chamber very quickly (instantly), the surrounding matter and space-time cannot occupy this volume instantly, because the speed of motion is limited by c. Therefore, a hole in space-time appears for short time.

For example, at annihilation of electron-positron pair both particles disappear instantly, therefore the hole must appear. Also holes must appear at decays of particles and inelastic scattwering. Thus the appearance of time dilation effect at annihilation, decays and scattering will prove the existence of holes in spacetime.

To prove the existence of holes in spacetime I need only two atomic clocks and a collider or the atomic station. The clocks placed near collider or atomic station should tick slower that control clocks placed far outside.

Hi all ,

Dear Amrit ,

I agree with many things .But The Universe has a beginning and will have an end ,this end is only physical and the eternity begins there where the mass,the spheres are balanced .

The atemporality is only behind walls in my opinion ,if an mathematical extraplations shows this eternity ,it's not a reason to admit this atemporality in all physical dynamics .The Entropy is secret and it's not our rule like consciousness to know that now .

I agree what the times is difficult to encircle and we mesure it whith clocks but without time the evolution don't exist ,because all has a specific dynamic in this constant ,the motion ,the mass ,the space without time didn't exist .

We must accept our physical laws,their invariences ,theirs coherences and theirs constants .

If a data shows us an atemporality ,don't forget the decimals ,an immediate information must have a limit too .We can't see this decimal ,it's so far of us ,like the quantum walls and cosmological walls .The relativistic perception must have lmits too I beleive .

In all case ,your papers is relevants ,congratulations

Sincerely

Steve

Dear Amrit S. Sorli,

You are right. On considering the variability of space when an object pass through space, we may have to re-investigate the space-time dimensions by string theories and braneworld scenarios, as space is only the extension of matters. Thereby defining Universal clock to measure the duration of events is much difficult and re-structuring the atomic analogy is essential to define observer for events.

With Best wishes,

Jayakar

It is true that time is tick of clock. But since we can influence physically the rate of clock ticks, since time is a physical phenomen.

"timeless gravity field" - The gravity cannot be timeless because the clocks tick inside of gravity field. Inside of timeless medium (a hole in space-time) clocks cannot exist nor tick because here disappear both duration and extension.

Our dispute can resolve the experiment only: if scientists detect the spacetime foam, consequenly yout timeless theory is wrong.

If I prove that I can remove space-time from chamber, then timeless theory is wrong. I do not need clocks to prove it. The walls of chamber must come into proximity, if I remove spacetime. The observer must see the destruction of chamber.

Dear Amrit S. Sorli,

I think the natural events have periodicity, as tick of clock. When an object passes through space, the strings vibrate with asymptotic space-time holes or vents in space-time foam and thereby we may assume that the holes in space-time as space holes or vents, as there is no inner time duration of events in them.

Yours jayakar