Awakening of the Observer in Physics by Amrit Srecko Sorli

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Jonathan you wrote: I agree with some of your points, but you did not convince me.

Tell mew which points you agree and why.

I do not need to convince someone.

Myself I'm not convinced anything. Physics is based on facts not on convictions.

Space-time being physical reality is an unproved conviction.

In General Theory of Relativity original solution for gravity is curvature of cosmic space. I original papers on General Relativity (1916) Einstein did not mention gravitational waves. This idea arises few months later in order to resolve "action on distance". Here wee see that there is no action on distance. Gravitational motion is result of change of density of quantum space that is mathematically defined as change of its curvature.Attachment #1: 1_QUANTUM_SPACE_DENSITY_CHANGE.doc

Thank you Amrit,

I will attempt to address your comments both as how they relate to Physics, and by the way they relate to perception or cognition. I will also deal separately with the metaphysical concepts you have introduced.

For starters; I question the notion that a linear or clock-based perception of time is natural. My friend Evan Pritchard wrote a book called "No Word for Time" and the title comes out of the fact the Algonquin languages do not include a term for the consensus time of clocks. It is craziness for them to tie activities to a clock because things take as long as they take. And this acknowledges Turing's principle that once processes reach a certain complexity, it is impossible to predict the exact time to completion of a task. Now I assure you that Evan's Mic Mac teacher notes the rising and setting of the Sun, the phases of the Moon, and the Seasons changing. But this is different from being on the clock.

Metaphysically speaking; one standing outside of time would effectively be outside of space as well, in my opinion. If by awakened, you are speaking of someone who instead of identifying with the physical corporeal self, has come to identify with pure consciousness as their identity, the idea that 'There is no time behind run of clocks' is perhaps sound.

But for those living within time, it is a directional process, and it is an integral part of all processes, as they move from one step or stage to another. There is both a thermodynamic arrow of time, born of entropy, and a quantum mechanical time arrow, born of decoherence. For the most part, they point in the same direction, but it is the flow of energy that keeps them both moving forward. I'll be taking this up at FFP10 next month, and I also talk about time in my contest essay. For the record; I believe it is more primal than space. I'll talk about the importance of space-time next installment, or you can read my essay.

All the Best,

Jonathan

Hello again,

A few links:

My contest essay:

The Possibility for Answers from Physics

FFP10 site:

Frontiers of Fundamental Physics

Book by Alex Mayer (useful to understand essential nature of space-time):

On the Geometry of Time in Physics and Cosmology

I highly recommend Alex's book as he fully grasps the importance of space-time as an essential insight of Modern Physics. It is his belief that most scientists don't really understand the full meaning and importance of this concept.

Jonathan

Dear jonathan

Yes, space-time is a concept.

Timeless cosmic space where physical time is thick of clocks is a scientific fact.It is not a concept.

My paper is published in viXra

http://vixra.org/abs/0910.0004

yours amrit

Thanks Amrit,

I'll check out the paper referenced above, when there is time.

All the Best,

Jonathan

I see time and gravity being deeply related.

Proper understanding of time

http://vixra.org/abs/0910.0004

leads us to proper understanding of gravity

http://vixra.org/abs/0910.0007

Our imagine of gravity force seems to be not exact.

It is more correct to imagine "gravitational motion" which means that because of quantum structure of space massive bodies simply move into direction of lover density of quantum space.

PS

In today's physics the conviction still prevails that gravity works directly between massive bodies. Research here shows that mass changes structure of timeless quantum space and this change generates gravitational motion. There is no direct attraction force between massive bodies. Hypothetical gravitational waves emitted and absorbed by the mass seem to be fictitious entities. Gravity motion is result of dynamics between mass and density/curvature of timeless quantum space.

Quantum Dynamics

Awakened observer is conscious that in the physical world forces do not exist. Terms "gravitational force", "electromagnetic force" "weak and strong nuclear force" are physical terms that describe gravitational dynamics, electromagnetic dynamics, strong and weak nuclear dynamics.

All material change in the universe can be reduced on motion of elementary particles that are structured energy of quantum space. Energy of quantum space is non-structured, it only change density. Quantum space is less dense in areas with mass and high dense in areas with no mass.

Elementary particle which do not change density of space is mass-less. Dynamics between quantum space and elementary particles produces motion.

Motion in the universe is result of quantum dynamics that we describe in physics with "forces". There is nothing wrong in that when we are aware about.

Similar is with space-time which is only a physical term and not physical reality.

In the study of physics students should have subject of phenomenology for a few years in order to prevent creation of all kind of strange ideas in physics as for example "chronos" a hypothetical "hybrid particle" that should be building up foam of space-time.

Space and time cannot be unit in one physical reality because they are two physical realities. Space is physical reality into which elementary particles and massive bodies move and time i.e. physical time is run i.e. thick of clocks in space. This is a standpoint for further development of physics with Quantum Dynamics where dynamic equilibrium on micro and macro level is a fundamental law.

Timeless dynamism is inherent property of the universe. Ideas about some beginning are simply childish.

Dear Stephan, Georgina, Tejinder, Cristi, and Amrit,

I would like to draw your attention to the summary of comments between myself and Jonathan in regard to the observer-participant MC-QED formalism", which are presented below. Since many of you have been skeptical about the ideas

present in my essay it would be helpful to me if we could we have critical group discussion on these comments.

Thanks for your interest and I am looking forward to hearing more from all of you.

Dr. Darryl Leiter

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COMMENT 1. Dear Jonathan,

You commented that: You seem to move directly from the microscale to the macroscopic observer, however, without any attention to what is between, and according to decoherence theory (DT) that's where all the fun is! The whole transition from Quantum to Classical behavior merges because although decoherence is swift, it is not immediate. And DT asserts that the wavefunction does not simply collapse, but rather gets spread out through entangling interactions, and with the larger environment.

My answer to your comment is as follows:

WHY MC-QED IMPLIES AN INTRINSICALLY TIME REVERSAL VIOLATING DECOHERENCE PROCESS WHICH INCLUDES A WAVE-FUNCTION COLLAPSE.

It has been shown [Leiter, D., (2009), On the Origin of the Classical and Quantum Electrodynamic Arrows of Time, ArXiv:0902.4667] that for a sufficiently large aggregate of atomic systems (which are described by the bare state component of MC-QED Hamiltonian and assumed to exist in an "environment" associated with the retarded quantum measurement interaction component of the MC-QED Hamiltonian), the net effect of the quantum measurement interaction in MC-QED will generate intrinsically time reversal violating decoherence effects on the reduced density matrix in a manner which can give large aggregates of atomic systems apparently classical properties.

This is in contrast to the time reversal symmetric case of QED where the local quantum decoherence effects only appear to be time irreversible. This occurs in the time symmetric description of decoherence in QED because a local observer does not have access to the entire wave function and, while interference effects appear to be eliminated, individual states have not been projected out.

Hence we conclude that the resolution of the problem of the asymmetry between microscopic quantum objects and macroscopic classical objects inherent in the laws of quantum physics can be found in the MC-QED formalism, because the intrinsically time reversal violating quantum decoherence effects inherent within it imply that MC-QED does not require an independent external complementary classical level of physics obeying strict Macroscopic Realism in order to obtain a physical interpretation.

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COMMENT 2. Dear Jonathan,

(JONATHAN QUESTION) When you are talking about Measurement Color, this is an an attempt to quantify the fact that the process of making a Measurement will Color what we measure, because the observer is also acting as a participant. This statement is true even if both the observer and observed are sub-atomic particles. Therefore you are apparently asserting that it is possible to accomplish quantifying measurement's effect by imposing an Abelian gauge symmetry, associated with this observer-participant aspect of measurements, upon the structure of QED. Is this correct?

(DJL ANSWER) Congratulation! You have got the idea exactly right!

(JONATHAN QUESTION) That is; by figuring in how each measurement will color what is measured, and applying this rule to every microscale interaction, you are able to alter or expand QED.

(DJL ANSWER: Yes this is correct! In MC-QED I have mathematically used the word "Measurement Color" in as an extension of the concept of color is used in the Standard Model to denote the different kinds of quantum particle forces. I am extending the QED formalism by using an additonal Abelian microscopic quantum particle field operator has an integer name which I call its MEASUREMENT COLOR to impose and operator type of "observer-participation" onto the field theoretic formalism. In the Standard Model the Abelian observer-participant symmetry of Measurement Color can be used in addition to the non-Abelian SU3 x SU2 x U1 symmetries.

(JONATHAN QUESTION): And you have extended QED in such a way that by adding in the coloration of measurement, you derive a theory that is explicitly causal, or reveals the directionality of time.Am I getting closer to understanding what you are talking about?

(DJL ANSWER): Yes! The impostion of the observer-participant Measurement Color operator symmetry, onto both the electron-positron and the photon operator fields in QED, leads to the MC-QED formalism which has the form of a non-local quantum field theory is C, P, and CP invatiant but spontaneosly violates the T symmetry. The resulant violation of the CPT theorem implias that the photon carries the causal arrow of time. This observer-particpant formulation of quantum electrodynamics has the potential to open the door to finding the connection between quantum mechanics and consciousness. In this way we may be able to find a connection between our minds and the "mind of the universe".

What could be more incredible!

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COMMENT 3: Jonathan replies,

Glad I got past the verbal stumbling block, and have made sense of things. It's not the color of the measurement, but how the measurement is colored by the act of measuring. Great how you have married that with QED.

A worthwhile idea indeed. Incredible it is, but quite credible at the same time. And worthy of the extra time taken to understand it.

Dear Dr. Leiter

I read discussion and did not understand much. Language is very abstract and such discussions are sometime difficult because different persons understood same term differently.

I'm relating my research on consciousness to Prof. Penrose ideas, you can see in article

Consciousness as a Basic Frequency of Quantum Space

http://vixra.org/pdf/0910.0018v1.pdf

yours sincerely amrit

Observer and physical reality are parts of the same universe. Ultimate goal of physics is to bring them together. Observer and observed belongs to the same reality that mind can comprehend only partly. For deeper understanding of relation observer/observed activation of consciosness is required. Activation of consciousness means self-awareness of the observer.

yours amrit

Anrit with love and awareness we communicate what we experience in this world. Why our experiences differ. Oy is all a mind game. The mind is naturally wayword and constantly agitated. Yo calm it down, one requires meditation. Toga techniques have also been worked out by Indian Saint Patanjali some 3000 years back that helps too. As we raise our level of consciousness we come to know better and better relative truths about the universe we live in. We are unable to go outside this universe and so we can only get relative truths. That is what science is doing, using maths with Physics or vice versa.

Dear Narendra

Observer has potential to observe and experience him/her self. I see this is one of the Ultimate Goals of Physics.

yours amrit

Physics is a science of the universe. Models of physics are mental pictures of the universe. More this models care are adequate to the universe, better is our understanding. To build up models we use words, means terms.

In order to build up models that are adequate representation of the universe we have to examine fundamental terms. They have to correspond exactly to the physical phenomena in the universe that we can measure directly.

We can measure directly: mass of massive objects, medium in which are massive objects, means space, electromagnetic magnetic fields, temperature.....and other

We can not measure directly "space-time", "negative energy", "arrow of time", "gravity waves".....and maybe some more terms in physics have no direct correspondence to some physical phenomena that can be measured or experienced.

For all this terms we have to declare them "hypothetical". We can not operate with them and use them in physical models as a physical phenomena because this is leading us into building up unreal picture of the world.

My work in mainly on space-time and arrow of time. About space-time I say enough here about "arrow of time": it exists as physical reality in a form of numerical order of events that we measure with clocks. Smallest unit to measure numerical oder is "Planck time".

We should not see run of change in a linear way because they run in front of our exes in space. We see stream of physical change one after another because of map of space-time we have in the brain. In physical reality stream of change run in timeless space where we measure numerical order of stream with clocks.

Universe is NOW we want or not, we are aware or not. Tis is its very nature. Einstein says that "NOW" is out of realm of science. With discovery that neuronal dynamics is a basis for sequent experience of change NOW is entering the science in a form of "timeless space where time is run of clocks". So term "space-time" should be replaced with term "timeless quantum space".

yours amrit

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We can not measure directly "space-time", "negative energy", "arrow of time", "gravity waves".....and maybe some more terms in physics have no direct correspondence to some physical phenomena that can be measured or experienced.

Observer can not be measured, observer can be experienced and so its existence is confirmed.

Excellent, keep it up. i wish your ideas in the essay to succeed. I and you do not matter. However it matters what we think and do about it. Our selfless efforts are likely to be productive and our self-centerd ones are likely to be rejected. We are important but not i and you. Humanity should win and so also the cerator of the Universe and the humanity within IT.

nn I also wish my essay succeed. Because it is based on the elementary perception. There is no conclusions on the abstract level of the mind.

So there is no possibility to make a mistake. Basic physical terms x' needs to have direct correspondence to physical phenomena x.

Existence of x' must be confirmed on measure or experience:

x'--- x

If not physics could become mathematical philosophy.

yous amrit

Resume of my essay:

Awakened (conscious) observer is aware of experiencing change in the universe through the space-time as his/her mind map based on neuronal dynamics. He/she experiences material change directly as they run in the timeless quantum space where physical time is run of clocks.

yours amrit