Awakening of the Observer in Physics by Amrit Srecko Sorli

Dear Leshan

As QS frequency does not "tick" in some physical reality called time also clocks do not tun (tick) in some physical reality called "time" or "space-time".

Quantum space is timeless in a sense that time is not 4-th dimension of quantum space. QS vibrate with their basic frequency and form physical space in which massive bodies exists.

Basic vibration of QS is a constant in the universe as light speed is also a constant.

Velocity of other physical change is influenced by gravity.

Clocks tick slower in stronger gravity.

My essa

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my essay is OK, you just did not understand well my vision, now I see you understand it. You somehow mix time with change. Change of frequency of QS is not time, it is change. OK we can say "natural clock". Most important is to understand that QS do not tick in time, QS ticking is natural time itself.

So there is no time behind clocks run.

Clocks tick in quantum space that is timeless in a sense that time is not its 4-th dimension.

It is a great inside that. You can try yourself. Watch a pendulum for a while. You will see after few minutes pendulum will move in timeless space, on NOW. Sensation of linear time will disappear.

eternity is now, yours amrit

Dear Amrit, I wrote in my previous post that you can publish a new paper in EJTP about your ideas of quantum clocks. You can mention also our discussion. (I do not have in mind your present essay).

Yours Leshan

Leshan

publishing here is more important than EJTP.

FQXi is a most courage and anti-dogmatic scientific gathering I know.

yours amrit

Quantum space is immediate information and energy medium at the Planck level.

Information and energy move in space only and not in time.

We publish with Fiscaletti about that subject in PHYSICS ESSAYS 2008.

yours amritAttachment #1: Nonlocality_and_the_symmetrized_quantum_potential.pdf

dear amrit, we meet again. i congratulate you on your new essay, in continuation of your ideas on the nature of time you dealt with in 2008 contest amicably. The problem comes when one separate science from philosophy. In fact all sciences, specially Physics started as Philosophy. We all get Doctorates in Philosophy as the highest degree in any discipline. In fact in indian philosophy too TIME called 'Kaal' is considered as a consequence of the God incarnate. The other aspect of God remains unmanifested but all pervaiding, all powerful and what not. The latter God desired to play around and enjoy and hence created this universe, which is a kind of 'Maya' or illusion in his reality. Thus, God manifested a small tiny part of His unmanifested potential, without affecting His totally immense potential. It is a kind of dream world He enjoys, remaining impersonal!

The quantifications being attempted in science are appearing to reach a better and better relative truths about the universe but surely these attempts will not reach the end till the researcher merges himself with the God Incarnate.

Dear Narendra

Mind can only discuss about got and knowing nothing.

The only scientific way to search ion god to entering god is self-observation of the observer.

we are now discussing this option here as a frontier goal of physics.

Mind is searching only in a frame of neuronal space-time, observer is reaching beyond into timeless nature of quantum space.Attachment #1: 1_MATHEMATICAL_SPACETIME__NEURONAL_SPACETIME_AND_TIMELESS_QUANTUM_SPACE_arXiv.doc

i am sorry i do not seem to understand what you mean in your latest comments on mind. You are just equating mind within the confine of the brain. Then how can you distinguish the two separate words as these are actually.

Timelessness is a concept in your mind. In Physics its first violation will be concept of time conjugation with energy in the uncertainity relations, making time either as infifnity or zero? What do you prefer? It will lead to enrgy being zero or infinite. Both these options are not acceptable in Physics as these lead to singularities that are not realistic.

Dear Narendra

Physical time as run of clocks is man invention to measure change in timeless universe. With clocks we measure frequency, velocity and numerical order of material change. Material change have no duration. We give them sense of duration because we experience them in a linear concept of time that is based on neuronal activity of the brain.

Timelessness is not a concept of the mind. Timeless universe is a physical fact.

Universe is timeless we say so or not. Nothing can change this fact.

Space-time is a concept of the mind. There is no space-time in a physical universe.

Energy of the universe is not finite and not infinite, because finite and infinite are mathematical concepts that can not be applied on physical reality.

We can build cosmological models where energy is finite or where energy is infinite, how is with the energy of he universe we will never know exactly. It goes beyond the limits of the scientific mind.

In order to know more about the universe we have to search with the consciousness. My essay is about that.

yours amrit

yours amrit

Dear Amrit,

You showed interest in 'consciousness ' just now. In my essay on this site i have attached a post carrying a manuscript entitled ' Relevance of Consciousness in Sciences'. May be it interests you.

Your statement repeated many a times 'it is a timeless world, never born or will necer die ' involves time too as a parameter. Please work out a Physics theory for decay of a physically observed process using timelessness as a concept, ignoring both space and time as concepts. You may also reproduce the results of the Theory of relativity in your timeless world.

Please also go through the essay i posted on this website and may be make some comments that may involve your idea of a timeless world!Mind is neither scientific nor inscientific. Mind is the total consciousness of an individual. It is more than the organ brain that does thinking and processes and stores data.

Dear Narendra

My research is more about gravity. Gravity is result of curvature of timeless quantum space. More mass is in a given volume of quantum space more space is curved. Curvature of quantum space depends on its density. More mass is in given volume of quantum space, less space is dense and more is curved. Density of quantum space Ds in a centre of massive object is Ds = 1/m, where m is a mass of stellar object.

I experience consciousness as my awareness that limits og physics are in going beyond the concept of space-time into the concept of timeless quantum space.

I read your essay, you have a sharp insights of connecting physics and meditation.

I see this will be of an immense help to raise from space-time timeless space.

yours amritAttachment #1: TIMELLESS_QUANTUM_SPACE.doc

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Quantum space is 4-dimensional, matter is 3-dimensional. Material objects are existing and are somehow "captured" into quantum space in a similar way as 2-dimensional geometrical objects are existing in 3-dimensional geometrical space. Presence of material objects is diminishing density of quantum space that is increasing its curvature. Curvature of quantum space generates gravity.

Physics and philosophy both share the same fundamental problem: they try to find absolute answers using relative means. Einstein said:

"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."

Similarly, we cannot find an absolute answer using a relative tool - mind. Our minds are limited (relative) not only by their capacity, but more so by the means with which they gather their information: the senses. Our senses are extremely unreliable -dogs apparently have a sense of smell many times stronger than our own; their hearing is also able to detect frequencies which ours cannot; and many animals are reported to be able to see light frequencies (x-ray and UV) which our eyes cannot.

So how is it possible to find the absolute conclusions which are sought by scientific, rational, mental processes? It is not.

Einstein also said:

"the rational mind is a faithful servant, and the intuitive mind is a sacred gift. We have created a society which honours the servant and has forgotten the gift".

Science and philosophy are stuck when they rely only on the rational mind. In the new science, which Amrit is expounding (i think - but i am no scientist!) rational mind and intuitive mind must meet.

And finally - time is relative. What runs the universe, and all it's relative parts, is absolute. Some call it God, some call it Energy. I simply call it the Absolute. To find any absolute answers in science or philosophy, we must transcend what limits us - which is our relative mind.

Dear Ben

In deep meditaton we experience being in NOW. This NOW in science is timeless quantum space.

Clocks run in NOW.

Relative is velocity of events clocks including.

On the moon is the same NOW in which we would get older faster.

Clocks run faster on the moon than on the earth.

yours amrit

"Dear Ben

In deep meditaton we experience being in NOW"...

Dear Amrit

Well, actually it's not quite right - in deep meditation we become AWARE of the experience of being in the now. The experience is always the same, only our awareness of it changes. There is no other experience, because reality is one. Being is being, regardless of awareness.

Or so it seems to me...

Being is aware regardless of the object.

Awareness is function of being-consciousness.

Watch your mind and you will discover inner time.

You will step into NOW.

yours amrit

Hi, anonymous is me - forgot my name!

Being is aware, that is true. But awareness is not necessarily of being. Awareness can be of clock ticking (ever done a job that you found boring?), or of worry about the future, or regret over the past. Or awareness can be focused on trying to solve a scientific debate... but only rarely do people stop playing all these silly games and focus their awareness on the joy of simply being. That is when the awareness unites with the actual experience.

As for "Awareness is function of being-consciousness." - No. Consciousness is a function of awareness, not the other way around. Proof: when you sleep you are aware, but unconscious. Awareness underlies all experience, it is ever present.

As this relates to the space-time argument: when there is awareness of time, it is because there is a sense of duality, or separation. When awareness unites with reality (being), time ceases, and one ever expanding (eternal now) moment is all that exists.

Yours

Ben

Ben in Buddhism consciousness is compared with shunyata, emptiness. Here I see parallels with timeless quantum space.

Consciousness is basic frequency of quanta of space, see on file attached.

yours amritAttachment #1: 9_IIGSS_BASIC_FREQUENCY.pdf

Greetings Amrit,

Something in your abstract made me think this would be an interesting essay to read. Unfortunately, I was significantly disappointed. Rather than having a connected sequence of logical statements, you seem content to reiterate the point that 'space itself is timeless' without it appearing to have a significant basis in your own reasoning. I agree with some of your points, but you did not convince me.

I have often thought that a theory could be constructed using the Observer effect as its only basis. This links up well with concepts from Constructive Mathematics. I elaborated somewhat on this idea in Quantum Biosystems Journal Vol. 1 No. 1 - How Can Complexity Arise from Minimal Spaces and Systems?. Unfortunately; you don't speak much about the causal role of observation in Physics, and content yourself to speak on psychological aspects thereof.

I think it might be helpful for you to read a paper by Fotini Markopoulou, which speaks about Wheeler-Dewitt as a view from outside of space and without time, and contrasts that with the view of reality as seen from the perspective of multiple time-based observers. "Planck scale models of the universe" can be found at arXiv: gr-qc/0210086.

As to the psychological perception of time; you may wish to download a paper I wrote on brain laterality, which suggests that the two brain hemispheres do the same kind of processing in opposite directions of time. That paper is on viXra dot org - Does Lateral Specialization in the Brain Arise From the Directionality of Processes and Time?.

Although I support the view that an awakened person can 'stand outside of time' you do not really go into the ways such a perspective might reveal insights into fundamental Physics. Ergo; I found this essay unsatisfying, but I commend you for trying.

All the Best,

Jonathan J. Dickau