Dear Friends,

My E-Infinity Friend, Dr. Scott Olsen of the College of Central Florida in nearby (for me anyway) Ocala, Florida has a short book on "The Golden Section - Nature's Greatest Secret". He covers these and other applications of the Golden Ratio. The best piece of information that I got out of his book was the Lucas number sequence. I think this is the critical link for two reasons:

1) There is a relationship between powers of phi and exact integers, and

2) Exact expressions relating powers of phi and its inverse automatically admit Scales and Scale Invariance.

Have Fun!

May 5th 2010

My remark to this FQXi-article on Verlindes Paper on Gravitation as a kind of enntropy:

I published the idea that gravitation is not a 4. fundamental force but a kind of "existential" entropy (or Planck-entropy) and at the same time counterpart to (physical) information (some sort of it) in february 2009 in "Concept and Method of Physimatics" on blog.physimatics.org.

Moreover I made it a little more detailed and I described gravitation as a kind an algebraical misfit in a process of combinatorial shifts in a big group, called the Universal Group "UG" that is roughly representing space and matter in our universe - without events or without irreversibility. Furthermore I put this in context with a hypothetical existence process of our universe itself.

So I put this approach in a bigger context of a weak structured "substrate" (below Planck scales) thats description is completely based on algebra. Due to the local action ("force") caused by gravitation has local effects, we need a local abegraic mapping as well, attached as a sort of a virtual individual environment to elementary particle. The story is much longer ... and you can make yourself a picture.

Already arround November 2008 I sent the paper "Concept and Method of Physimatics" to arxiv.org where it was first announced for publishing under arXiv:0811.3688 than later rejected as "unapropriate" by Don Beyer together with the hint to send it to a conventional journal.

I sent Brendan Foster on monday this weak an exemplar of my latest version with the title "Concept & Method of Physimatics, the Logic of Existence and

the Logical Time Formula" that is listed an http://vixra.org/abs/1005.0009 in PDF form.

with kind regards from Germany

Robert Gallinat

Berlin/Germany

Robert, I am not entirely sure I follow your idea. You seem to have some idea of an algebraic system, and even nonassociative structures. These are called octoniona, but as yet a clear physical idea which motivates them has not been advanced.

Cheers LC

The last sentence of the article asks "Is that crazy enough?". I believe the answer to that should be a loud resounding "Yes". It almost seems that modern physics has collapsed into a game of theoretical one-upmanship, seeing who can pass off their mathematical suppositions of gravity as science, while for centuries a plausible explanation has languished, prematurely dismissed,and even given the "kiss of death" by a prominent physicist possessing the tools to remove the thermodynamic preclusion to it's validity. So, yes, that's crazy enough. It's time to get real.

10 days later

The holographic principle shows that relation gravity/electromagnetism is a result of a product of the geometrical relations Planck length/Compton length.

(lp / l x ) * (lp / l y ) = -a Fg / Fe

where lp = Planck length, lx, ly = Compton length, a=alfa (fine structure const.)

It suggests that each oscillation of the charge along its Compton length causes a Planck's length contraction (curvature of the space and Planck's time dilation when the non-local information interfere with another non-local information of the another particle.

The holographic interference of the non-local information create the quantum vacuum with its virtual particle-antiparticle pairs.

Verlinde's example shows it.

14 days later

Gravity can only ultimately enjoin electromagnetism and quantum mechanics when space is dynamic and yet highly ordered. Randomness, order, potentiality, actuality, visible, and invisible all are included.

"Quantum gravity" and electromagnetism/light require that the structure and form of sensory experience in general MORE CLOSELY resembles thought.

Everyone seems to forget that, in terms of general relativity, gravity is not a fundamental force either. Technically it's a "fictitious" force (to use Tom Moore's terminology). That's part of the reason that there's a disconnect between quantum mechanics and GR.

From what I understand of the article, the new definition of gravity is NOT as a fundamental force in itself but rather as a side-effect of other fundamental forces. Gravity as a force still exists in this model, but it's not a fundamental quantum energy-exchange force like strong, weak, and electromagnetic.

I have a similarly-related theory I'm trying to put on paper that I believe is in sync with this new idea of gravity. I believe my theory may explain the dark matter and dark energy problems as an underestimation of empty space's quantum mass. The most appropriate name I can think of for this is "Spindle Theory". I'll be posting articles soon..

poxix.com

Jacob Munoz

    12 days later

    "Thoughts are relatively shifting and variable. Accordingly, dream vision is relatively shifting and variable. Therefore, the quantum mechanical nature of both thought and dream vision is quite apparent. Indeed, the unpredictable and random aspects of quantum phenomena are clearly evident in dreams. The dynamic nature of quantum energy/entities is also apparent in dreams. (Light is known to be quantum mechanical in nature.)" -- to quote DiMeglio.

    DiMeglio is defining the dream process/manifestation as the source of genius.

    Quantum gravity occurs in dreams per DiMeglio. This statement links the union of gravity and electromagnetism to/with dreams: "The ability of thought to describe OR reconfigure sense is ultimately dependent upon the extent to which thought is similar to sense." DiMeglio has unified gravity, electromagnetism, and quantum gravity as dream experience.

    Lightbringer, this might be of assistance/clarification to you in your understanding. I am most appreciative of your diligence, concern, and caring in this most important matter.

    As DiMeglio wrote: "Thoughts are relatively shifting and variable. Accordingly, dream vision is relatively shifting and variable. Therefore, the quantum mechanical nature of both thought and dream vision is quite apparent. Indeed, the unpredictable and random aspects of quantum phenomena are clearly evident in dreams. The dynamic nature of quantum energy/entities is also apparent in dreams. (Light is known to be quantum mechanical in nature.)"

    Defining the THOUGHTFUL dream process/manifestation as the ULTIMATE source of the mathematical genius that constitutes the unification/inclusion of Maxwell's equations and Einstein's equations is awesome.

    Quantum gravity occurs in dreams.

    This statement links the thoughtful/theoretical union of gravity and electromagnetism to/with dreams: "The ability of thought to describe OR reconfigure sense is ultimately dependent upon the extent to which thought is similar to sense." Gravity, electromagnetism, and quantum gravity are unified in/as dream experience.

    Accordingly, the [mathematical] union of gravity and electromagnetism is shown/demonstrated in dreams, as DiMeglio said. Moreover, it is clear that a (or ANY) unification of gravity and electromagnetism/light WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE PLAINLY AND SIGNIFICANTLY APPARENT IN OUR EXPERIENCE. That is simple common sense.

    Thanks again DiMeglio. We love you.

    15 days later

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    Dears,

    All we know in fact about "gravity" is that it is an attractive force that works in our class of dimensions.

    Einstein's idea of "space deformation" as explanation for gravity has been the most fake theory of all physics history...

    Corpses are attracted, like they had a memory of an united state, nothing else is known...

    Cheers,

    "Why would one think that the idea of physically real spacetime is fake?"

    Dear Tom,

    Energy and time are two face of the same coin: both means motion an fragmentation.

    The void/nothing can't move, so something apparently material do exists to be in motion (even though I think it is also virtual and dubious).

    Space means simply some "distance" that separates parts of a fragmented system (in opposition to an unified on - even though imaginary).

    Let's imagine a unified mass being exploded by inner repulsive forces: space and time starts! "Universe of things" also, for one unified corpse is all but a a "universe" (universe means fragmentation and plurality).

    So, neither space nor time are "fakes", but clear realities.

    Cheers

    All that tells me, Wilton, is that you don't know the principles of general relativity. Spacetime, in which neither space nor time are independent, is the "clear" physical reality in Einstein's theory.

    Tom

    5 days later

    TH RAY,

    We can measure space with a ruler. We can measure time with a clock. These are "physical entities", the product of our direct physical interaction within our reality. Spacetime, on the other hand, is a (META=not or beyond) metaphysical entity created to stitched up measures within our reality and what (little) we know about the underlying reality or metaphysical universe. Spacetime is not physical. It is a product of physics and as such, it contains both physical and metaphysical components by requirement.

    People do not understand where one ends and the other begins and believe that spacetime is true physics (not) or true metaphysics (not). Spacetime is a hybrid tool we invented in order to keep doing physics where physics means nothing. In order to understand what we are doing , we must respect the boundaries of each, physics and metaphysics.

    If we can just understand that the universe is not the experience we have of it, but rather what we can deduce from that experience of it while removing our own transform we effect as observers, then, we have a chance to get it. Do you?

    Marcel,

      The continuum of spacetime is explicitly physical in general relativity: " ... by 'physically real' we mean 'independent in its properties, having a physical effect but not itself influenced by physical conditions.'" (Einstein, 1956, The Meaning of Relativity)

      General relativity is a physical theory, not a metaphysical proposition.

      Tom