The Analog-In, Digital-Out Universe by Edwin Eugene Klingman

Dan,

Thanks for the kind words, and thanks for the information that you keep providing me. I was interested in PEAR and very much so in Bell's inequality.

I've read your essay the first time and have read the exchange between you and Tom. I hope to have some comments for you later.

As you know, and will continue to find out, it's tough to step outside the orthodoxies.

Good luck in the contest.

Edwin Eugene Klingman

Jason,

I really enjoy your insights. Keep 'em coming.

Edwin Eugene Klingman

To all:

In case you haven't heard yet, a major new treatment of entanglement is here. Joy Christian has, in my opinion, demolished entanglement and non-locality. I think you will find her papers enlightening. I surely do.

My first approach was to try to link her treatment to the points I made above, about 'changes en route', but then I realized that they are irrelevant. What she does is derive the QM inequality from local reality. The violations go away!

I highly recommend these papers. I suspect they are historic.

Edwin Eugene Klingman

Peter,

I've been tied up studying Joy Christian's papers. I think that these will be historic, right up there with EPR.

This fqxi contest is very stimulating. A lot of new ideas to absorb and analyze.

As for your galaxy ideas, I haven't seen them yet. You're a busy beaver, and it's hard to be sure what you're claiming from the short comments. While I do think my theory complements your contest entry, I'm not sure that we overlap in the other areas that you are pursuing. I don't understand enough about your over-all approach, and I don't think that you understand mine yet, so it's hard to know the boundaries. Even your reference above to the 'vortex wall', if I understand it correctly is confused. The vortex wall of the C-field boson has no connection to the 'incentric' idea of cosmic jets. Also, I've derived the fine structure constant based on the C-field vortex, and doubt that it is related to your FSC derivation.

In short, I believe it's going to be difficult to merge my ideas with yours, but I do believe that the paper I wrote supports your contest essay, and I would encourage you to try to wrap that idea up before getting too thinly spread. Since I haven't seen your other ideas worked out in detail it's hard to say more.

My books are here. All of them but 'The Atheist and the God Particle' are pretty heavily mathematical. That one is for a popular audience.

Edwin Eugene Klingman

To all,

First, I've discovered that Joy is a man.

Second, I've found that other's, without time to study this work have misunderstood the issue, thinking that Joy proposes 'something else' as being "responsible for the Bell inequality violation." No. He is saying is that Bell's mistake was in thinking that "correlations between the points of a real line have anything to do with the correlations between elements of reality", and it is "topologically impossible for any Bell type map to constitute a manifold of all possible measurement results."

This is incompatible with the basic completeness criterion of EPR that "every element of physical reality must have a counterpart in the physical theory."

But "correlation between the EPR elements or reality are correlation between the respective points of two 2-spheres" and has "nothing whatsoever to do with the correlations between the points of two 0-spheres as Bell unjustifiably assumes." Bell's incomplete description of physical reality doesn't count all possible measurement results.

The significant result is this: Bell incorrectly found the value 2 while QM found 2*sqrt(2) and experiments show that Bell's value is violated but the QM value is never violated. Joy finds **in every case** the value 2*sqrt(2) as the appropriate measure. Since all measurements always fall within this value, the correct inequality IS NEVER VIOLATED.

If correct, then all non-local, non-real, entanglement arguments [ie, all 'spooky' and 'weird' stuff] were based on Bell's incorrect value, and are meaningless!

Of course these 'spooky' and 'weird' arguments have been going on for decades, they have subtly and not-so-subtly affected the minds of most physicists, even to the point that someone as bright as Florin remarked about "has the smell of local realism". Fortunately, Florin has now begun to study Joy's work and seems to have an open mind.

My interest is so strong because my theory is based on local realism.

It is incorrect to think that Joy has arrived at non-locality by other means. He has demolished non-locality. It may take some time to grasp this notion, but I believe that's what will be required. Of course I may be wrong.

I'm glad Florin has committed to studying this issue, as I believe it is the most important issue facing physics today.

Edwin Eugene Klingman

I've discovered Joy Christian is a man. All other remarks stand.

Dan,

An understandable error, and one that is easily over-ridden by simply 'spreading the word' that a sophisticated explanation for the so-called 'violation of Bell's inequality' and all of the 'non-local', 'non-real', non-sense that followed therefrom.

Edwin Eugene Klingman

A discussion of approaches to Joy Christian's work on Bell's inequality:

There are possible approaches to Christian's treatment of Bell's inequality. One approach, beautifully illustrated by Florin, is to bring all mathematics at your command to the problem, and hope this answers the question.

Another is based upon physics and physical understanding. My theory is local-realistic and qualitatively explains many otherwise unexplained anomalies in today's physics, so I have no problem accepting Christian's results, which make sense to me.

I say this knowing it will have no effect upon mathematician's approach, but simply to remind everyone tracking this conversation that it's not the only approach that a physicist can take. Assume for a moment that QM is incomplete, as Einstein said, and as Florin seems to state: "So I guess Einstein was right after all about incompleteness. If I am right in the paragraph above, he was right in the letter but not in the spirit."

This being the case, why should quantum mechanics be the be-all and end-all of the problem? If it is incomplete, it is incomplete, and it's century of successes are not to be discounted, but neither are they to be the only parameter by which we judge reality. And a quarter century of 'entanglement' if Bell's inequality is truly incorrect, led to much non-sense, based upon the false interpretation of measurement statistics leading to the conclusion that local realism did not exist.

There are consequences to approaches. Unquestioning acceptance of Bell's inequality has had (if Joy is correct) disastrous consequences. I dare say that these came from the side that respects mathematics above and beyond all physical reasoning. The 'social reality' discussed prevents any theory of local realism from being taken seriously by those committed to the non-locality that is the basis of the 'entanglement industry', an industry in which contracts, experiments, papers, publications, and professional status weigh heavily upon 'accepted' version of reality. [God bless fqxi.]

The known 120 orders of magnitude decrease in QED's vacuum energy and the apparent 31 orders of magnitude increase in the strength of gravito-magnetism combine to present physicists with 151 order of magnitude relative change between these energies and potential explanatory power. But have all of the QED calculations since 1947 been recalculated with a realistic vacuum energy? No. Old ideas of virtual particles, despite failure to find the expected 'sea of strange quarks' in the proton, despite the surprise of the 'perfect fluid' at RHIC and LHC when a 'quark gas' was expected, are well entrenched, and no one is being discomforted by the mere physical facts. QED cannot even come within 4 percent of the proton radius, for muonic hydrogen. And QCD has problems getting this close.

"Real anomalies, we don't need no stinkin' real anomalies." Instead, those who happily accept the non-real, non-local as "reality" have gone off into Multi-verses, extra dimensions, holographic extensions, qubits-as-virtual processors, and other fantastic but not-measurable and non-predictive physics. That 151 orders of relative change could actually mean a simplification of physics is not even resisted. It's ignored. No one, apparently, wants physics to be simpler. That a gravito-magnetic-based 'pilot wave' induced by every particle with momentum could actually be meaningful is ignored.

I'm not complaining. Planck said a century ago that "...theories are never abandoned until their proponents are all dead...science advances funeral by funeral." If true, we're in big trouble, since there are too many physicist proponents to all die off, and they are training their replacements.

And Joy might find some joy in Einstein's statement: "I enjoy it that colleagues occupy themselves at all with the theory, although for the time being with the purpose of killing it..."

The mathematical battles are extremely important, but physics is still based on reality, and, it is my hope and belief that these 151 orders of magnitude changes imply a simpler, and more intuitive reality, one that I try to outline in my essay.

Edwin Eugene Klingman

Peter,

Thanks for that reference. Some interesting info in that article.

First, it is beyond me why anyone would call an electric field of 10^18 V/m a "vacuum".

Second, they say that "by quantum "magic" the deeply perturbed vacuum is restored after the pulse has passed." Sounds strange to me. They they state that "Two superposed pulses do not so much interact with each other, but interact together with the fluctuations in the vacuum." Of course, if I were explaining it, I would have the C-fields interacting.

Similarly, "the new and unexpected scattering of light on light", would not have been unexpected from the perspective of the C-field induced by the photon momentum.

So thanks for the info.

Edwin Eugene Klingman