The Analog-In, Digital-Out Universe by Edwin Eugene Klingman

To all,

First, I've discovered that Joy is a man.

Second, I've found that other's, without time to study this work have misunderstood the issue, thinking that Joy proposes 'something else' as being "responsible for the Bell inequality violation." No. He is saying is that Bell's mistake was in thinking that "correlations between the points of a real line have anything to do with the correlations between elements of reality", and it is "topologically impossible for any Bell type map to constitute a manifold of all possible measurement results."

This is incompatible with the basic completeness criterion of EPR that "every element of physical reality must have a counterpart in the physical theory."

But "correlation between the EPR elements or reality are correlation between the respective points of two 2-spheres" and has "nothing whatsoever to do with the correlations between the points of two 0-spheres as Bell unjustifiably assumes." Bell's incomplete description of physical reality doesn't count all possible measurement results.

The significant result is this: Bell incorrectly found the value 2 while QM found 2*sqrt(2) and experiments show that Bell's value is violated but the QM value is never violated. Joy finds **in every case** the value 2*sqrt(2) as the appropriate measure. Since all measurements always fall within this value, the correct inequality IS NEVER VIOLATED.

If correct, then all non-local, non-real, entanglement arguments [ie, all 'spooky' and 'weird' stuff] were based on Bell's incorrect value, and are meaningless!

Of course these 'spooky' and 'weird' arguments have been going on for decades, they have subtly and not-so-subtly affected the minds of most physicists, even to the point that someone as bright as Florin remarked about "has the smell of local realism". Fortunately, Florin has now begun to study Joy's work and seems to have an open mind.

My interest is so strong because my theory is based on local realism.

It is incorrect to think that Joy has arrived at non-locality by other means. He has demolished non-locality. It may take some time to grasp this notion, but I believe that's what will be required. Of course I may be wrong.

I'm glad Florin has committed to studying this issue, as I believe it is the most important issue facing physics today.

Edwin Eugene Klingman

I've discovered Joy Christian is a man. All other remarks stand.

Dan,

An understandable error, and one that is easily over-ridden by simply 'spreading the word' that a sophisticated explanation for the so-called 'violation of Bell's inequality' and all of the 'non-local', 'non-real', non-sense that followed therefrom.

Edwin Eugene Klingman

A discussion of approaches to Joy Christian's work on Bell's inequality:

There are possible approaches to Christian's treatment of Bell's inequality. One approach, beautifully illustrated by Florin, is to bring all mathematics at your command to the problem, and hope this answers the question.

Another is based upon physics and physical understanding. My theory is local-realistic and qualitatively explains many otherwise unexplained anomalies in today's physics, so I have no problem accepting Christian's results, which make sense to me.

I say this knowing it will have no effect upon mathematician's approach, but simply to remind everyone tracking this conversation that it's not the only approach that a physicist can take. Assume for a moment that QM is incomplete, as Einstein said, and as Florin seems to state: "So I guess Einstein was right after all about incompleteness. If I am right in the paragraph above, he was right in the letter but not in the spirit."

This being the case, why should quantum mechanics be the be-all and end-all of the problem? If it is incomplete, it is incomplete, and it's century of successes are not to be discounted, but neither are they to be the only parameter by which we judge reality. And a quarter century of 'entanglement' if Bell's inequality is truly incorrect, led to much non-sense, based upon the false interpretation of measurement statistics leading to the conclusion that local realism did not exist.

There are consequences to approaches. Unquestioning acceptance of Bell's inequality has had (if Joy is correct) disastrous consequences. I dare say that these came from the side that respects mathematics above and beyond all physical reasoning. The 'social reality' discussed prevents any theory of local realism from being taken seriously by those committed to the non-locality that is the basis of the 'entanglement industry', an industry in which contracts, experiments, papers, publications, and professional status weigh heavily upon 'accepted' version of reality. [God bless fqxi.]

The known 120 orders of magnitude decrease in QED's vacuum energy and the apparent 31 orders of magnitude increase in the strength of gravito-magnetism combine to present physicists with 151 order of magnitude relative change between these energies and potential explanatory power. But have all of the QED calculations since 1947 been recalculated with a realistic vacuum energy? No. Old ideas of virtual particles, despite failure to find the expected 'sea of strange quarks' in the proton, despite the surprise of the 'perfect fluid' at RHIC and LHC when a 'quark gas' was expected, are well entrenched, and no one is being discomforted by the mere physical facts. QED cannot even come within 4 percent of the proton radius, for muonic hydrogen. And QCD has problems getting this close.

"Real anomalies, we don't need no stinkin' real anomalies." Instead, those who happily accept the non-real, non-local as "reality" have gone off into Multi-verses, extra dimensions, holographic extensions, qubits-as-virtual processors, and other fantastic but not-measurable and non-predictive physics. That 151 orders of relative change could actually mean a simplification of physics is not even resisted. It's ignored. No one, apparently, wants physics to be simpler. That a gravito-magnetic-based 'pilot wave' induced by every particle with momentum could actually be meaningful is ignored.

I'm not complaining. Planck said a century ago that "...theories are never abandoned until their proponents are all dead...science advances funeral by funeral." If true, we're in big trouble, since there are too many physicist proponents to all die off, and they are training their replacements.

And Joy might find some joy in Einstein's statement: "I enjoy it that colleagues occupy themselves at all with the theory, although for the time being with the purpose of killing it..."

The mathematical battles are extremely important, but physics is still based on reality, and, it is my hope and belief that these 151 orders of magnitude changes imply a simpler, and more intuitive reality, one that I try to outline in my essay.

Edwin Eugene Klingman

Peter,

Thanks for that reference. Some interesting info in that article.

First, it is beyond me why anyone would call an electric field of 10^18 V/m a "vacuum".

Second, they say that "by quantum "magic" the deeply perturbed vacuum is restored after the pulse has passed." Sounds strange to me. They they state that "Two superposed pulses do not so much interact with each other, but interact together with the fluctuations in the vacuum." Of course, if I were explaining it, I would have the C-fields interacting.

Similarly, "the new and unexpected scattering of light on light", would not have been unexpected from the perspective of the C-field induced by the photon momentum.

So thanks for the info.

Edwin Eugene Klingman

Jason,

Assume you have 2 masses gravitationally attracting each other. if you add a third mass, the system will be more tightly bound. In physics bound systems are considered to have negative energy, in that positive energy is required to un-bind the system. For example, if we wish to move the third mass out to 'infinity' we have to expend a lot of positive energy, just as a spacecraft has to expend energy to 'escape' the gravitation that binds it to the earth.

So gravitational energy has been considered (since Maxwell, I believe) to be negative.

This is not so different from an electron in orbit about a proton. It takes about 13.6 eV of positive energy to overcome the binding energy, hence the binding energy is 'negative'.

In my essay I assume that nothing but the gravitational field exists initially. The energy of the field implies equivalent mass thru E=mc^2.

But this field is 'exploding' (I hate that word) away from the Big Bang, so the equivalent mass is moving away and hence has positive kinetic energy, or energy of motion. In this sense some speculate that the initial negative potential energy of gravity plus the positive kinetic energy associated with the field's outward expansion sum up to zero. I believe that this is called the "Free Lunch Universe" or similar, since the Big Bang in this case occurs with net zero energy, thus conserving energy.

Make sense?

Edwin Eugene Klingman

Jason,

Face it, the odds are good that the physics community will shrug and call us all creative "wack-jobs". I hope that Joy Christian, at least, escapes this destiny, but it would be out of character for the community to do anything else.

I addressed some of this in your thread with my Jan. 28, 2011 @ 02:50 GMT comment. I said:

"I like your shift photon as frequency analog of Newton's force equation. But although gravity produces a force, force does not necessarily produce gravity, unless gravity and acceleration are defined to be identical. But then what does one call it when an electric field accelerates a charged particle--gravity? In an equation, the equal sign often has sort of a 'one-way' meaning. I suspect it's the same for photon shift."

In other words, gravity shifts the photon. The photon shift may not make gravity. Just as time doesn't really flow both ways, no matter how much some theories suggest it does (or should). The universe seems to have 'directions'.

But I also said that I've recently focused more effort on understanding the coupling of the electromagnetic and the gravito-magnetic fields and have run across a few surprises, and that I plan to spend more effort on this.

At times in my life, I have felt just as you do about interstellar travel. At the moment I'm just having fun exploring this local universe.

I don't want to discourage you, neither do I want to falsely lead you on, so I just make the most informative and appropriate responses I can.

Edwin Eugene Klingman

Jason,

Another excellent idea, that space-time could have a resonant frequency if it supports gravity waves. Unfortunately, I am tending toward the belief that gravity waves do not exist.

But if they do, your idea of driving the resonance with shift photons is innovative.

I too think that shift photons are a cool idea. Whether it is an idea that physically works as you want it to is less certain. Some of my best ideas were cool, but the numbers do not always work out. But if the numbers do work, and you can figure out how to demonstrate its operation, then you definitely won't have to wait centuries.

Edwin Eugene Klingman

Robert, Jason - thank you for your expressions of good will.

Edwin Eugene Klingman